Amazing!
Respect to the Thai Navy Seals who found them!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44688909
Amazing!
Respect to the Thai Navy Seals who found them!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44688909
I heard this on the news yesterday.
Great news and nothing short of a miracle!
Fantastic news, I was afraid that it would be too late. Makes my day.
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Don't think it was announced until this afternoon.Originally Posted by Dave O'Sullivan
Excellent result anyway!
I meant that they were missing...
Given all the crap going on across the globe great news indeed, this time yesterday I thought it was all over bar recovering the bodies, well done to those that never gave up.
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Really great news , i’d been following updates and it seemed grim.
Must be a fantastic feeling for waiting families.
Turns out according to the Thai Navy Seal feed that it was UK specialist cave rescue divers from Derbyshire who managed to lead the Thai Navy Seals through to where the boys were located :)
Last edited by ryanb741; 2nd July 2018 at 19:14.
Haha I actually cheered when I heard they were found. Great rescue effort
And it's gratefully received
Falang work permit rushed through I bet!
Humanitarian Aid "Visa" stamped and issued either at Heathrow before they left courtesy of the Thai Embassy, or waiting for them on arrival.
And quite right too
Latest update is that the 2 UK divers got there BEFORE the Thai Navy seals. They were the first on the scene. Thai Navy seals expected in overnight to facilitate the extraction. There's a video online of the UK divers communicating with the boys.
Cracking job by all and kudos to the skilled UK cave rescue specialists. I'd imagine the freedom of Thailand will follow soon!
Last edited by ryanb741; 2nd July 2018 at 21:47.
Ex Navy diver died today, trying to rescue, seems even the top level guys are finding this a challenge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385
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Ex Navy diver died today, trying to rescue, seems even the top level guys are finding this a challenge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385
Now he's out, Neymar is booked on the next flight to Thailand to teach a team of young football players how to dive properly!
I think I'd still put my faith in Rick Stanton et al.
Each trip in and out takes 12 hours even for a pro diver.
It’s amazing in this day and age that a solution can’t be found that does not involve them staying there for up to 3 months
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Given the circumstances I can't really agree with that. But they are working on the possible options, eg draining the underground cave system, and so it may not take that long to get them out safely.
Although somewhat different, when I hear about being lost or trapped in caves, I think about the Nutty Putty cave death. Reading the interviews of people involved in the attempted rescue, you soon realise just how formidable these environments are and how there are situations people can get themselves into that are irreversible.
The team and coach are safe and there is no doubt they'll get them out but as has been said, it won't be easy or quick.
BBC live coverage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/44755093
Here's hoping and praying. What heroes those divers are.
Thai Straits page is regularly updated too...link...same link as above.
I reckon 2 weeks max. On a side note I’m staggered they were allowed to enter a cave system that frequently floods when not ONE of the kids can even swim. Ludicrous
Impressive effort so far. I hope with every fibre of my being that all the boys and all those involved in the rescue make it out of this.
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It is amazing news, just watched the latest on the news. So did they walk into the cave system, it rained and now most of the cave system is flooded?
When it was mentioned that it might be months before they get them out my small brain couldn’t comprehend this as in the video they are there just across a small pool?
4 kilometres of flooded narrow tunnels between the cave entrance and where they were found
I struggle with it a bit myself but the figures are the stuff nightmares are made of.
I'm not a fan of enclosed spaces or water but I never really figured cave diving was any different to regular diving until I watched and read about that horrible video of the famous cave diver who drowned.
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In the video, divers are using single cylinders and no stages, this means they have most likely another or possibly more chambers along the route where there are areas above water or they have a habitat,in which staged gas will be stored in order to allow a push onwards or cover a exfil that may not be straight forward. Typically a third to go in, a third to come back and a third for the fan/reserve also no stage decompression gas indicates no deco penalty so not great depths to contend with.
To dive the kids out after all training would mean a build up of staged gas at these chambers for a worse case senario, bringing them out one chamber at a time, virtually impossible, maybe on a one kid one diver all the way out basis yes but en masse absolutely fraught.
Also water looks brown, so visibility will be really low and flow is likely strong carrying the alluvial silt thru the system,cue fatiigue and panic.
Last edited by MCFastybloke; 3rd July 2018 at 18:09.
Best I can find:
It amazes me people get themselves into these situations. I can’t imagine sending my son off on a potential suicide ‘jolly’ like that.
Don’t even get me started on pot holing, stuff of nightmares.
I watched a video of the nutty putty death a while back, sickening.
Seems they are extracting today or tomorrow. Monsoon rain forecast for tomorrow. Godspeed kids. Pray no further losses.
Truly hope they get them all out safely. Let’s hope Thai authorities block off the entrance to these caves after this is all over to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Can't view the video, but if drilling down, a Robbins Raise Borer would seem like the best option, going into the next cavern on the right(downstream). Can be helicoptered into position.
Yep it's underway today. Thai news is stating they are confident that they can get most if not all out safely but are expecting sadly that not all will make it out
A bit alarming when the norm is positive rhetoric that they already announce they expect losses
Reports do appear to be conflicting.
The one I just read seemed to indicate that they were expecting to be able to walk the children a lot of the way out and then hand them over the trained divers for some of the tricker parts. The story I read didn’t mention possible losses.
I’m not religious but I am sending them all positive thoughts and can only imagine the pressure the professionals and families are under.
The main issue is that part of the rescue involves a 30 metre dive in coffee-black water in very narrow confines that mean they will need to remove the air tanks to get through part of the section and then reattach once they are through. All this with kids who can't swim let alone dive. And with a Thai Navy Seals sadly dying whilst trying to get through this very section.
They will have 2 seals for each boy so they are providing a high level of assistance but this is a difficult one.
Desperately hoping they all make it - this is guaranteed to be made into a Hollywood film I'd sayA bit alarming when the norm is positive rhetoric that they already announce they expect losses
For anyone who hasn't experienced cave diving have a look at what's going on out there.
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Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
When these kids entered the cave was it the same route that the divers are having to take now to reach them? The reports are of really tight narrow sections which will be difficult for them to navigate. Did they travel this same route in albeit in dry conditions?
I can only believe that is the case. And some of them had been there before.
They would have navigated the "really tight narrow sections" in the dry wearing what you saw when they were rescued, ie lightweight soccer gear. I presume that they had torches and they're all fairly wiry athletic types, from the photos that I've seen.
I've no idea what the water temperature may be, but I assume that they're going to need something more substantial going out to protect against injury. Even so, they should be physically capable of making it, but I suspect the psychological effects are the major concern. Getting stuck under water in next to zero visibility is likely to panic anyone. Assisting someone who is panicking on the surface where the rescuer can talk to them is risky enough. Doing it in a water filled pipe where they probably can't even turn round doesn't bear thinking about, IMO. But I'm guessing that's exactly what they have to do.
Here's hoping...
Great ending to this story and excellent work by all involved, but let's not forget it did cost one man his life, successful though it ultimately was.
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This mission is terrifying . Really hopes it ends in good news. Respect to those involved .
Where’s best to follow updates on the situation? The normal news channels coverage is pretty poor.
As they've cleared all the media away from the site I don't think that you'll find much of interest until (possibly) after 14h00 if they manage to get one of the lads out. After that it's likely to be slow burn...not that the media will put it that way, they'll just replay every little thing until something else happens.
BBC:
When the operation began, officials said the earliest the boys were likely to reach the surface was 21:00 local time (14:00 GMT) on Sunday. One official has said it could take two to three days to get them all out.
USAToday:
Thirteen foreign divers and five Thai divers began the operation at 10 a.m. Sunday morning, the governor said.
He said it’s expected to take 10-12 hours for the first boys to emerge and that the trapped boys and their families had been informed of the plan.
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Water levels inside the cave dropped by around a foot on Saturday and are at their lowest levels since the team became trapped more than two weeks. Rescuers are able to walk deep into the cave, all the way to the “third chamber,” which is around one mile away from where the boys are located.
Officials wouldn’t say how much diving the boys would be required to do in the rescue operation.
It is also unclear how long the entire operation will take.
The Straits Times...link...is probably as good as any source for breaking news, along with the BBC.
Edit Meanwhile, elsewhere in Thailand...Death toll climbs to 41, 15 still missing:
The death toll from a tourist boat accident off the coast of Thailand's Phuket island climbed to 41 yesterday, with 15 people still missing, officials said.
Rescuers had last night suspended a search for those still missing from the sunken vessel, the Phoenix, which capsized in rough waters on Thursday evening with 93 Chinese tourists and 12 Thai crew and tour guides on board. The accident is one of Thailand's worst in recent history.
So far, 49 people have been rescued, officials said.
Last edited by PickleB; 8th July 2018 at 13:04.
At least 2 boys out according to BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44757804
Good news indeed. More here...link.
Edit Anyone read Thai? Tweet link:
Apparently it reads:
Full face masks; 2 divers accompanying 1 boy; guided by rope. When facing a very narrow path, they will release the tank from back and slowly roll tank & guide the boy through. They walk from Chamber 3 to mouth of cave
Last edited by PickleB; 8th July 2018 at 13:25.
Come on boys Godspeed
Another 4 are through the danger spot and are walking out. Weakest were removed first. Sounds very encouraging news
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