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    Hello from Croatia! Nerve breaking game which could have gone both ways... if we received another goal in 1'st half it would have been over.
    And in the second half it could have gone the other way with few goals in England net.

    Btw England tried to score during the celebration. Fortunately one Croatia player has remained in England half so action was stopped by the ref.
    This attempt was not shown on TV of course :)
    https://twitter.com/VJesenicnik/stat...lavila-1257893

    (yes, by FIFA rules that would have been legal attempt if no Croatia players were left in England half... slightly evil albeit legal move)

    Now I hope you will cheer for us against the evil French
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    In a very real way it is better this way than have English ´fan´ destroy cars and such in several continental cities after that.
    Did that happen after we lost last night? No it didn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    Did that happen after we lost last night? No it didn’t.
    Ignore him Dave, these days he’s just a troll who hates all things British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky555 View Post
    Hello from Croatia! Nerve breaking game which could have gone both ways... if we received another goal in 1'st half it would have been over.
    And in the second half it could have gone the other way with few goals in England net.

    Btw England tried to score during the celebration. Fortunately one Croatia player has remained in England half so action was stopped by the ref.
    This attempt was not shown on TV of course :)
    https://twitter.com/VJesenicnik/stat...lavila-1257893

    (yes, by FIFA rules that would have been legal attempt if no Croatia players were left in England half... slightly evil albeit legal move)

    Now I hope you will cheer for us against the evil French
    Oooo that’s not really in the spirit of the game - don’t like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Ignore him Dave, these days he’s just a troll who hates all things British.
    Will do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Ignore him Dave, these days he’s just a troll who hates all things British.
    It did happen last week when ´you´ won.

    Was rather typical on the twin square last night. The Brits en masse telling all within ear range of loud shouting that they needed the win for their national pride.
    By Jove, ´national pride´.... The English national pride lies at the root of a national delusion causing a really disturbing national mentality. The Brexit campaign, majority vote and sequal has illustrated the severity of it. And yes I feel compassion for the also large part of the population that cannot identify with it.
    So; no, I do NOT hate all things British. I do loathe the deranged part of the English/Brit national pride. You won that fair and square.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    It did happen last week when ´you´ won.

    Was rather typical on the twin square last night. The Brits en masse telling all within ear range of loud shouting that they needed the win for their national pride.
    By Jove, ´national pride´.... The English national pride lies at the root of a national delusion causing a really disturbing national mentality. The Brexit campaign, majority vote and sequal has illustrated the severity of it. And yes I feel compassion for the also large part of the population that cannot identify with it.
    So; no, I do NOT hate all things British. I do loathe the deranged part of the English/Brit national pride. You won that fair and square.
    The pub is not the place for politics , so please stay in the bear pit.

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    I’ll be interested to watch the ENGLAND and BELGIUM first teams play. The group game was a non event

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    Oh goody, just had my first gloating Scot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Hotel View Post
    Oh goody, just had my first gloating Scot.
    Not gloating at all. I just mean the first time they played it was their B teams

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    Won't matter either. It's the most meaningless game in football. Having said that, I enjoyed the Uruguay one from 2010.

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    They got so much further than I expected and I think they played out of their skin throughout and with impressive discipline. They could have done with a tougher test earlier in the tournament I feel but that's nothing that could be influenced. Definitely an effort that warrants pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    Not gloating at all. I just mean the first time they played it was their B teams
    I wasnt talking about you, I meant my first real-life gloating Scot. They've been oddly quiet the past three weeks, normal service resumed today.

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    third place maybe a non event as well. Not sur if I am bothered either

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    Quote Originally Posted by trott3r View Post
    third place maybe a non event as well. Not sur if I am bothered either
    It’s utterly pointless. For years the players have said they don’t want to play in it. If I’m in I’ll watch it but won’t make an effort to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    I'd agree with that.

    I'd been saying for a while that our finishing would let us down in the end and, sure enough, it did.

    There were two clear 'should have been' goals in the first half and that would have kept Croatia at bay, but coulda-woulda-shoulda never changed anything.

    As a young team they did well - They looked like a team who wanted to play for each other and their manager and, honestly, looking at the lineup, would anyone have predicted a strong semi-final performance rather than an early bath?

    I was glad to see Tripier score last night. For me, he (along with Pickford) was the stand out player in the team.

    Personally I hope England and Belgium field a full team on Saturday and we see how that game would have gone if anyone had really wanted to win it!

    For Sunday, Allez Les Bleus!

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    I don't think finishing is the issue. England were scarily good at sticking a dead ball in the back of the net and the "love train" thing worked a treat for corners (surely people will expect that from them now and will figure how to defend it?). They just didn't do enough to create real scoring opportunities during open play. The old habits of trying to protect a lead bit them on the bum both last night and in the Columbia game. And I think our recognition of Pickford being a stand out would suggest the defence weren't really good enough to be relied on for that approach.

    Can't take anything away from England and it's not fair to say they had the easiest route. The overall standard from all teams was quite poor this world cup, it seems club football is now so full of positional specialists than any nation struggles to put a complete team together. England probably had one of the most evenly talented teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
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    England probably had one of the most evenly talented teams.
    I beg to differ. The most evenly talented team would be Germany. They were all sh*t.
    Pfffft

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    I don't think finishing is the issue. England were scarily good at sticking a dead ball in the back of the net and the "love train" thing worked a treat for corners (surely people will expect that from them now and will figure how to defend it?). They just didn't do enough to create real scoring opportunities during open play. The old habits of trying to protect a lead bit them on the bum both last night and in the Columbia game. And I think our recognition of Pickford being a stand out would suggest the defence weren't really good enough to be relied on for that approach.

    Can't take anything away from England and it's not fair to say they had the easiest route. The overall standard from all teams was quite poor this world cup, it seems club football is now so full of positional specialists than any nation struggles to put a complete team together. England probably had one of the most evenly talented teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trott3r View Post
    third place a TOTAL non event as well.
    I've fixed that for you

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    One thing I noticed is that Croatia were pressuring our players. Every time someone got the ball, there was a Croation player running full pelt at him. This was especially true for Pickford, and it seemed to affect him. In previous games, his long kicks up the field have found an England player. Last night, he hardly seemed to manage it all all.

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    Anyone bothering to watch the game that no one wants to play in?

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    Lindsay Skoll will be bothering to watch.

    I'll leave it here without a comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    Won't matter either. It's the most meaningless game in football. Having said that, I enjoyed the Uruguay one from 2010.
    Unless you have money on Lukaku to win the Golden Boot, I don't know how long the rules have been in place but he could win the Golden Boot even though Belgium have been knocked out.

    I had a bet with Corals that D.Villa to would be the top goal scorer (8/1) in 2010 World Cup, D.Forlan scored in the 3rd place game meaning he scored 5 goals drawing level with T.Muller, W.Sneijder and D.Villa, Corals did not paid out at 8/1 but at quarter the odds as there was a 4 way tie.
    Also I remember in 1998 Davor Suker winning the Golden Boot thanks to him scoring in the 3rd place game meaning he finished above G.Batistuta and C.Vieri who had scored 5 goals each.

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    The moron down the road has just finished kicking his ball against the garage door.
    Must be time for a quiet afternoon nap methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VDG View Post
    Lindsay Skoll will be bothering to watch.

    I'll leave it here without a comment


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    With regard to women attending the World Cup - I noticed the cameras often picked out foreign lovelies (Croation, Swedish, German even!) but I don't remember any English ladies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    With regard to women attending the World Cup - I noticed the cameras often picked out foreign lovelies (Croation, Swedish, German even!) but I don't remember any English ladies!
    I've seen one or two, but generally it's the certain type of gentlemen, you know the type who thinks that shirt is an optional accessory.
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    Kane has been shocking for the past couple of games. He's making Sterling look deadly by comparison. At least Spurs don't have to worry about a big team coming in for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Kane has been shocking for the past couple of games. He's making Sterling look deadly by comparison. At least Spurs don't have to worry about a big team coming in for him
    Third game in a row he’s been missing. Last shot on target was against Columbia!

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    Trippier has been excellent. The quality of the crosses and free kicks has been fantastic

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    Game over.

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    Feel a bit for Belgium. They should have been finalists I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    Feel a bit for Belgium. They should have been finalists I think
    Agreed. If they had been on our side of the draw they’d have made the final I think.

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    Well that is it for us and must say they did a lot better than anybody thought they would at the start of the campaign of course a work in progress but let’s hope they get to develop in the EPL and we do not let team loyalty to hold them back as a CFC supporter are you listening new manager RLC needs to be back

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    Confirms to me that as usual people get carried away saying how good England are and the fact is they are not at the top level as those three losses confirm, although they have certainly played far better than I can remember in a long time, it is a shame for Belgium as I really felt they could have won it and Harry Kane has really faded in this tournament missing chances that other top class strikers would have buried.

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    I think we did well. Could it be better, sure, still it's a good result and certainly an experience for the young team. Well done to all involved, bar the muppets who scared away fans and denied the lads proper support they totally deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    Third game in a row he’s been missing. Last shot on target was against Columbia!
    I've had a quick look for the F**k**g W**k+r Kane posts from you but can't find them .
    Don't suppose you could point them out for me please?

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    Ok. I’m not one to get over excited either positive or negative here is my thoughts. Haters hate, constructive opinions welcome!

    Pickford - cracking tournament, inexperienced yet mostly commanding. No fault for any goals! Certainly one to watch.

    Walker - done ok. Let’s face it he is out of position done well been caught on some of the aspects a true central defender wouldn’t of been. He is a wing back.

    Stones - solid, will certainly improve, working with Man City and pep can only be good for England. A certain top defender at the euros.

    Maguire - wow! A true inspiration, no big club Charlie, a solid effective defender with a great eye in the box for attacking set pieces. Will continue to grow at this level.

    Young - started tournament well had some great moments but I can’t help feeling against Croatia he was one of Southgates few errors. He starting tiring and stopped pushing forward. Once that happened Croatia pushed forward and started to get on top. He should of been withdrawn before the goals.

    Trippier - great tournament set pieces excellent and all round play great. One of our massive positives.

    Henderson - not a fan at all. Yet he has played well and been a crucial part of the system employed. Has proved me wrong and been a quality addition to the team.

    Lingard - one of the best players we had. Scored our goal of the tournament, a constant threat and a very good player.

    Alli - flattered to deceive in my opinion. Scored a crucial goal but I feel was not of the standard he could be at. Or has been at for spurs. Still though a crucial player.

    Sterling - confused, top top player. Against Sweden and Croatia his pace and running scared them to death. Yet no goals. For city he is top and his goals come. Maybe sterling himself is right. He can have too much time to finish a ball.. massive player for us. And even a tournament winning player if we get him scoring.

    Kane - fantastic, golden boot surely. Must of tired massively or picked up a knock. As did slow. Not a word to say against him. And some of the team tiring didn’t help as he had to come too deep.

    Others
    Rashford - love him. Quality needs more chances in team. Will be crucial in future.

    Rose - ok. But only ok. Won’t be there again if sessegnon comes through as expected this season.

    Loftus-cheek - top player and one unfortunately who could fail miserably if he doesn’t put football first and leave Chelsea and grab a regular starting place at a top level club in England/Spain/Italy/Germany.


    Massively positive on the manager and I was one not convinced on him. All round a great leader and one I hope leads us a long time!




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    Quote Originally Posted by woodacre1983 View Post
    Ok. I’m not one to get over excited either positive or negative here is my thoughts. Haters hate, constructive opinions welcome!

    Pickford - cracking tournament, inexperienced yet mostly commanding. No fault for any goals! Certainly one to watch.

    Walker - done ok. Let’s face it he is out of position done well been caught on some of the aspects a true central defender wouldn’t of been. He is a wing back.

    Stones - solid, will certainly improve, working with Man City and pep can only be good for England. A certain top defender at the euros.

    Maguire - wow! A true inspiration, no big club Charlie, a solid effective defender with a great eye in the box for attacking set pieces. Will continue to grow at this level.

    Young - started tournament well had some great moments but I can’t help feeling against Croatia he was one of Southgates few errors. He starting tiring and stopped pushing forward. Once that happened Croatia pushed forward and started to get on top. He should of been withdrawn before the goals.

    Trippier - great tournament set pieces excellent and all round play great. One of our massive positives.

    Henderson - not a fan at all. Yet he has played well and been a crucial part of the system employed. Has proved me wrong and been a quality addition to the team.

    Lingard - one of the best players we had. Scored our goal of the tournament, a constant threat and a very good player.

    Alli - flattered to deceive in my opinion. Scored a crucial goal but I feel was not of the standard he could be at. Or has been at for spurs. Still though a crucial player.

    Sterling - confused, top top player. Against Sweden and Croatia his pace and running scared them to death. Yet no goals. For city he is top and his goals come. Maybe sterling himself is right. He can have too much time to finish a ball.. massive player for us. And even a tournament winning player if we get him scoring.

    Kane - fantastic, golden boot surely. Must of tired massively or picked up a knock. As did slow. Not a word to say against him. And some of the team tiring didn’t help as he had to come too deep.

    Others
    Rashford - love him. Quality needs more chances in team. Will be crucial in future.

    Rose - ok. But only ok. Won’t be there again if sessegnon comes through as expected this season.

    Loftus-cheek - top player and one unfortunately who could fail miserably if he doesn’t put football first and leave Chelsea and grab a regular starting place at a top level club in England/Spain/Italy/Germany.


    Massively positive on the manager and I was one not convinced on him. All round a great leader and one I hope leads us a long time!




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    Agree with most - except Kane. Thought he was mostly hopeless last couple of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    Agree with most - except Kane. Thought he was mostly hopeless last couple of games.
    Thought that was down to a Fitness issue and also the team not having the same drive forward. Look at young in particular. He had to start dropping deeper. And that isn’t his best game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    Third game in a row he’s been missing. Last shot on target was against Columbia!
    C U L O M B I A ? ? ?
    Pfffft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    C U L O M B I A ? ? ?


    No he said Columbia lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kultschar View Post
    No he said Columbia lol
    It's called Colombia, FS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    It's called Colombia, FS.
    Yes but you misspelt his error! Just saying :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kultschar View Post
    Yes but you misspelt his error! Just saying :)
    I did it on purpose because it was the hundreth time for this week that Colombia was spelled incorrectly.
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    Cool, Umbjahh.
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    From watching, it's pretty obvious that England don't really have a balanced midfield, all good individual players, but no real balance, or leader. Kane as your only front man doesn't help either, as shown when he's not playing well, the chances dry up, he is a great striker, but very one dimensional, the likes of Vardy offer a little more, but of course, isn't as clinical as Kane.

    If England are to progress, they need to find the next Gerrard/Lampard/Beckham who can lead the team from the centre, having the striker as your captain isn't a great idea, for me a captain has to be able to see all that is going on and influence change, Kane is too far up the pitch for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argee1977 View Post
    From watching, it's pretty obvious that England don't really have a balanced midfield, all good individual players, but no real balance, or leader. Kane as your only front man doesn't help either, as shown when he's not playing well, the chances dry up, he is a great striker, but very one dimensional, the likes of Vardy offer a little more, but of course, isn't as clinical as Kane.

    If England are to progress, they need to find the next Gerrard/Lampard/Beckham who can lead the team from the centre, having the striker as your captain isn't a great idea, for me a captain has to be able to see all that is going on and influence change, Kane is too far up the pitch for that.
    We need a proper playmaker in a quarterback role instead of Henderson who is limited and just really defensive cover. Add Scholes to your list of examples.

    Trouble is I'm struggling to think of any current English players that fit the mould. Shelvey can ping the ball around but is light on defensive duties and a total hothead.

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