Double Red 1665 for £2-3k?

[ChromeJob]

The more cynical among us might consider the reviews to be those of shills and stooges or even made under some kind of quid pro quo arrangement.

Others might just think how nice it is that friends and/or acquaintances have been happy with Humbert & Ellis services and wish to share this information.

Perhaps Humbert & Ellis go the extra mile for their friends and/or acquaintances?

The review posting activity from David Worrow is more than coincidental IMHO.

[haberdashery]

I trust litigation is on the cards now?

We had some issues with someone leaving 1 star reviews for us. It was a direct competitor who stupidly used their real email address when leaving them. This was amongst some other stuff, but our solicitor wrote them a letter. I thought this bit might be useful:

“The Review was also was contrary to the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (“CPRs”), breach of which can constitute a criminal offence.”

They went into it in way too much detail (I mean at £500/hour I would too), but you get the jist. Whether it’d wash in court is another matter, but your business is now stained on Google’s review section. Even if the reviews are removed, the star rating isn’t restored.

Back to the matter at hand, I find it all very odd. Surely the correct procedure is to thank you for the info, remove the watch from sale and move on. I find the auctioneer’s behaviour to be rather odd.

[hughtrimble]

Back to the matter at hand, I find it all very odd. Surely the correct procedure is to thank you for the info, remove the watch from sale and move on. I find the auctioneer’s behaviour to be rather odd.

The smell of money? Knowing they'd lose a big chunk of commission may have proved too much for them to pull the item.

[haberdashery]

The smell of money? Knowing they'd lose a big chunk of commission may have proved too much for them to pull the item.

If I remember correctly it sold for circa 21k?

No idea what their commission is, let’s be generous and say 25%. That’s approx 5k. Hardly seems worth trashing your company’s reputation for such a paltry sum, unless they’re really small time anyway?

[hughtrimble]

If I remember correctly it sold for circa 21k?

No idea what their commission is, let’s be generous and say 25%. That’s approx 5k. Hardly seems worth trashing your company’s reputation for such a paltry sum, unless they’re really small time anyway?

This is true. Though the way they have friends (or are they colleagues possibly?) reviewing their company, suggests that they're maybe not doing brilliantly?

[Steelgecko]

Thanks for your concern, noted.

A little more digging this morning shows Facebook friendships link Jonathan Humbert, David Worrow, Victoria Ivanova and Shelley Scribbins.

Five star Google reviews of Humbert Ellis have been submitted by people with the names Jonathan Humbert, David Worrow, Victoria Ivanova and Shelley Scribbins.

Go figure.

Ha, fair enough, I can see you have no intention of backing off. Oh well - cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war.

I'll admit I am quite enjoying the narrative of this commercial car crash, voyeuristic though that sounds. But who doesn't like a little righteous schadenfreude when you see a bad egg slip over?

And I'm a lot wiser about auction houses and their operating practices (good and bad) - and a particular one to avoid. So, my thanks as well.

[murkeywaters]

your business is now stained on Google’s review section. Even if the reviews are removed, the star rating isn’t restored.

Very true, I had a 1 star review on one of my google business pages and it was a complete mistake by the intended party (old person tech moment) I spent a long time talking with Google to remove it, they said if it had a comment they could remove it but not the star rating as it's not a review as such just a rating!

They just said try and get as many customers as you can to give 5 stars and it will eventually blend into the background, While this is true it doesn't help your business in the short term and is very frustrating.

We live in a review based world which many people trust and buy off the back of those reviews, low false ratings and reviews can seriously damage a business and should be taken seriously especially if your ecommerce based, the opposite and having lots of good reviews can rocket your business so it is a double edge sword.

[ChromeJob]

Humbert & Ellis Ltd on FB? Their only staff, an operations director, looks like she’s barely out of school.

[Reeny]

If I remember correctly it sold for circa 21k?
No idea what their commission is, let’s be generous and say 25%. That’s approx 5k. Hardly seems worth trashing your company’s reputation for such a paltry sum, unless they’re really small time anyway?

Unless they bought it in themselves by mistake, and were stuck with it.

Maybe it was a friends & family sale.
David Worrow could have dropped it off to be sold on his behalf.
Victoria may have found it in the loft during a house move / inherited it from an uncle / unwanted gift etc.
Who knows.

[alfat33]

Anyone who is interested can check their accounts at the Companies House website for free. Arguably the explanation for selling such a watch lies there.

[Dave O'Sullivan]

I heard a story yesterday about a guy who put a watch through auction only to buy it himself. It cost him the commission both ways but it went from being a loose watch with no paperwork to one with a bit of providence and some paperwork.

[Peck]

Anyone who is interested can check their accounts at the Companies House website for free. Arguably the explanation for selling such a watch lies there.

Indeed it does. Ouch

[Haywood_Milton]

Amazing! Now five new, five-star Google reviews of Humbert & Ellis have appeared within 48 hours of my detailed, one-star review. There had been no reviews in nine months prior to that, it seems.

Some others whom I don't know have added their own one-star reviews --- and the Company is visibly challenging those.

Interesting that they have not challenged my review.

Simply Google "Humbert Ellis" if you wish to see for yourself.

On other points:

I heard a story yesterday about a guy who put a watch through auction only to buy it himself. It cost him the commission both ways but it went from being a loose watch with no paperwork to one with a bit of providence and some paperwork.

I wonder how value would be affected if a Rolex watch were presented now with paperwork showing that Humbert & Ellis had sold it?

Unless they bought it in themselves by mistake, and were stuck with it.
Maybe it was a friends & family sale.
David Worrow could have dropped it off to be sold on his behalf.
Victoria may have found it in the loft during a house move / inherited it from an uncle / unwanted gift etc.
Who knows.

Such musings are nothing but distraction. What matters to most will be whether the watch was correct and properly described and the auction house's response (or lack thereof) when the truth of the watch was spelled out to it in advance of the sale.

Humbert & Ellis Ltd on FB? Their only staff, an operations director, looks like she’s barely out of school.

Not sure that it's relevant, nor if the picture you refer shows her, but Miss Ellis is 26. Is she the only director now?

I see that a Victorija Ivanova appears to work with another Mr. Worrow and that this Mr. Morrow is among the friends of David Morrow, Facebook friend of Mr. Humbert.

[Peck]

I can’t see your review Haywood. Looks like they may have had it removed

[Haywood_Milton]

I can’t see your review Haywood. Looks like they may have had it removed

The latest version, for your pleasure :

"I would NEVER buy from or sell through Humbert & Ellis Ltd, following their sale of a faked up Rolex for over £20,000 despite repeated warnings in advance that it was not correct. To read the full account and get the measure of this company, you can find it by Googling "tz-uk drsd humbert" and selecting the link "Double Red 1665 for £2-3k?" Before posting this review I have contacted them by email, through their contact page, through Facebook message, by telephone and Twitter. They have made no substantial response......but all can be seen in that forum account described above. Please be warned and FIND ANOTHER AUCTION HOUSE. Oh, and as for any of the good "reviews" here.....please note that individuals with the same names as the "reviewers" Jonathan Humbert, Victoria Ivanova, David Worrow and Shelley Scribbins who each gave five stars.....are all linked by Facebook friendship. Funny, too, how there were no reviews for nine months and then FIVE five-star reviews with 24 hours of mine appearing here! I've had to edit this review to upate it, which makes it appear newer.....but have a timed screen-shot of the original."

[Haywood_Milton]

I can’t see your review Haywood. Looks like they may have had it removed

Other Google users may in due course add reviews that link to this tz-uk thread, so I'm not sure what good deleting my review would do.

[the big fella]

I've just read it it's still there, strangely they've started liking each others posts as well, reckon haywood could do with a bit of support from 1300 tz,ers.

[ChromeJob]

Guys, don’t leave falsified reviews. It simply adds credence to their claim that people who aren’t bona fide customers are trying to trash their credibility, which is truly the case. Just “like” (thumbs up) Haywood’s review (which is still there). (P.S. To HM, spell check your review. Misspellings hurt your review’s believability.)

You can also “like” the previous negative reviews posted by customers who had complaints. Apparently sellers receiving payment in a timely fashion is a common gripe.

You can also post 1-star ratings without a review if you really, really, really feel the need to wage Internet Justice War, but again if you’re not a customer, this is rather dishonest.

[Haywood_Milton]

. To HM, spell check your review. Misspellings hurt your review’s believability.

Thankyou; I have corrected "upate" to "update" but could not see any others.

Do we think the existing, positive reviews are all from clients of bona fides?

Humbert & Ellis' credibility? Someone's going to have to explain that one to me.

[ChromeJob]

Thankyou; I have corrected "upate" to "update" but could not see any others.

Do we think the existing, positive reviews are all from clients of bona fides?

Humbert & Ellis' credibility? Someone's going to have to explain that one to me.

That’s the only one I noticed.

P.S. Another unsolicited tip: post a few more reviews on Google Maps of places you frequent, and are really a customer. Only two reviews makes it look like you used the Maps reviews to attack this one firm. More reviews makes it look like you're investing a wee bit of time to give businesses some credit, or constructive criticism. Particularly of the ones you do patronize.

I noticed some reviews from Google users with many other reviews, including a “Local Guide” (a badge you can apply for when you get sufficient feedback on your Google Maps reviews, photos, edits). I’m less suspicious of reviews from those who’ve submitted reviews to Maps over more than just a few days. It’s entirely possible that some customers are happy with them; if every interaction was poor, they’d be out of business.

If everyone here will simply “like” your posted review and other negative ones, those will acquire credence, might even effect the “weighting” of ratings. There are two to three reviews from a year ago listing slow payment, refusal to set a reserve amount, etc, that H&E never answered. Those are worth voting up. >:)

[ChromeJob]

Now, what can we do (if anything) to make tweets show on https://twitter.com/HumbertEllisLtd ?

Curious. They've closed their Twitter account,... or renamed it,... or Twitter terminated their account? The Twitter badge linking to the non-extant account is still on all the Humbert & Ellis web pages. Derp.

Amazing! ...

Not sure that it's relevant, nor if the picture you refer shows her, but Miss Ellis is 26. Is she the only director now?

I see that a Victorija Ivanova appears to work with another Mr. Worrow here : http://maynardcapitalmanagement.com/leadership.html --- and that this Mr. Morrow is among the friends of David Morrow, Facebook friend of Mr. Humbert.

Looking at the "About" page for Humbert & Ellis Ltd, it appears to be a fifth generation family company dating to 1842ish, and just last year they named Ms. Ellis the operations director, and changed the company name from J P Humbert to Humbert & Ellis. Wow. That's a rapid change, ain't it? O_o

... A little more digging this morning shows Facebook friendships link Jonathan Humbert, David Worrow, Victoria Ivanova and Shelley Scribbins.

Five star Google reviews of Humbert Ellis have been submitted by people with the names Jonathan Humbert, David Worrow, Victoria Ivanova and Shelley Scribbins.

Go figure.

Not sure how the others connect, but Worrow seems to have known Ms. Scribbins IRL as early as 2012.





And yes, Ms. Scribbins is friends with Lewis Worrow, Lewis is friends with David Worrow and Darren Worrow (dad and sibling?)(David is only friends with Lewis). And ... drum roll ... Lewis Worrow is friends with Victoria Alexandra Ivanova. It does begin to seem like these are NOT unrelated customers of H&E and more a social network of friends, family, or customers all generally acquainted with each other.

[Haywood_Milton]

Ha-ha, thanks for the detective work. Only this morning did I see your additions.

Looking at the "About" page for Humbert & Ellis Ltd, it appears to be a fifth generation family company dating to 1842ish, and just last year they named Ms. Ellis the operations director, and changed the company name from J P Humbert to Humbert & Ellis. Wow. That's a rapid change, ain't it? O_o

Humbert & Ellis Limited was apparently incorporated on 10th July 2003. The "About" page refers to family history, rather than the Company's.

However, it also refers to Jonathan Humbert as the Managing Director, when the public records I have access to appear to show that he resigned as a Director on 26th January 2018.

I rang H&E yesterday with the intention of spelling out what I think is their only way out of this mess. I spoke with a lady identifying herself as Francesca Ellis but she did not seem willing to answer my opening, direct questions about the Officers of the Company. She maintained the position that H&E considered my comments on the bad watch to be "only one opinion." I have a record of the conversation, but choose not to relay more at this time. H&E did not get to hear my advice and remain in the same position.

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...yes, Ms. Scribbins is friends with A PERSON, A PERSON is friends with David Worrow and Darren Worrow (dad and sibling?)(David is only friends with A PERSON).

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It may be simpler than that. As of a couple of days ago at least, there was a Shelley Scribbins with a direct Facebook friendship to a David Worrow on Facebook - the same David Worrow whom we have shown above was also Facebook friends with Jonathan Humbert...



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...just as there was a Facebook friendship between a Victoria Ivanova and the same David Worrow



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Since you mention A PERSON, let us be clear that he has posted no Google reviews in this matter, but it is interesting to note the name of his apparent business partner at "[REMOVED]":

[IMAGE REMOVED]

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[COMMENT REMOVED].

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...It does begin to seem like these are NOT unrelated customers of H&E and more a social network of friends, family, or customers all generally acquainted with each other.

It's possible, isn't it?

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As for "just one opinion" on the watch, it would be most interesting to see if a single vintage Rolex specialist of any substance would be willing to go on record and say that he feels the watch is all correct as presented.



H

[ChromeJob]

Perhaps one of the many vintage Rolex bloggers could take an interested look….

[murkeywaters]

Wow, I didn't think the thread would go this way when I started it!!

Back to the watch - does anybody know its whereabouts or if the buyer is aware of the circumstances?

[E_2_Right-Force]

The thing that amazes me the most about this sorry saga is the fact the names of the protagonists do not actually appear to be ficticious!

C`mon - David Worrow, Victoria Ivanova and the best of all Shelley Scribbins!!!!?

These monikers have got to be lifted from a 1970`s Carry On film!

[Der Amf]

Take a close look at the CV type stuff on VI's Facebook page and you'll notice it's mostly a lot of nonsense that couldn't all be done by one person. A seemingly plausible account, that presumably exists so that it can then be used to help with whitewashing online reputations.

[ChromeJob]

(tapping toe) Impatiently waiting for further developments. I know, there may be none, but so far this has been so entertaining...!

[Lampoc]

I jokingly made a Humbert & Ellis post on another thread which reminded me of this one. Any updates Haywood?

[ChromeJob]

I came across the name Humbert & Ellis this morning. Guess what they’re trying to auction off now…

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ne...er-ppk-auction

Only problem ... it’s generally accepted that though they called it a PPK, it was a Walther PP used in the film. The story that Bernard Lee just “brought a PPK to the set” is rather silly. Did he also send it along to Jamaica for location filming?

I wonder if some Bond collector or gun collector will try to contact them about this “prop” and go down the same rut our esteemed fellow here did.

[zodiac]

I came across the name Humbert & Ellis this morning. Guess what they’re trying to auction off now…

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ne...er-ppk-auction

Only problem ... it’s generally accepted that though they called it a PPK, it was a Walther PP used in the film. The story that Bernard Lee just “brought a PPK to the set” is rather silly. Did he also send it along to Jamaica for location filming?

I wonder if some Bond collector or gun collector will try to contact them about this “prop” and go down the same rut our esteemed fellow here did.

I saw this on bond-lifestyle. It sounds so suspect. Also would you just send a PPK to sons friend? I now Bernard Lee like a drink but this seems too far fetched?

The frame with some rubbish photos and a DVD cover of Dr No doesn’t help.

What’s next for this auction house? A WW1 Iron Cross next to a picture of Hitler? Must be his.

[Lampoc]

What’s next for this auction house? A WW1 Iron Cross next to a picture of Hitler? Must be his.

This is Humbert & Ellis we're talking about so it's more likely to be Lenin's Vostok Amphibia.

[zodiac]

AJB007 forum gun expert has written in to Humbert & Ellis about the PPK Bond auction

(Not sure if I’m allowed to post what was on another forum so will remove if need be)

Sent to Humbert & Ellis:
Dear Sirs,
Back in 2006 I advised on The Guns of James Bond auction at Christies. A PPK Kurz had been submitted as Sean's pistol from Dr.No and everyone and his dog was pretty happy with it. I had to prove to the specialists that despite what the armourer said on screen the pistol was in fact a PP and not a PPK. This actually meant freeze framing every time Bond's pistol appeared on screen, in his hand, by his bed, in the sand and in his pocket. I then had to do the same with every publicity image. It took bloody ages!
Now to the scene in question where this piece is claimed to be used. There are two instances where it is clear you are looking at a PP and not a PPK. When the armourer first takes the pistol from its case you can see the longer muzzle and when you know what you are looking at the two piece PP grips which do not join up at the rear of the magazine well as found on a PPK however the real give away is just before Sean holsters the pistol as the profile against his white shirt is of a long muzzle slide with a deeper magazine well/grip. We also had a stunt PP submitted which had a cast finger spur magazine baseplate so I had to prove that at no time did a PP appear other than with a flat base to the magazine so I am confident I can say 100% as a consultant the PPK submitted for auction was not at any time seen on screen in the 1962 production Dr.No.
I am also the author of the book The Most Famous Gun In The World, a history of 007's weapons on the silver screen.
If you would like any further information please do not hesitate to contact me.

[Haywood_Milton]

AJB007 forum gun expert has written in to Humbert & Ellis about the PPK Bond auction

(Not sure if I’m allowed to post what was on another forum so will remove if need be)

Sent to Humbert & Ellis:
Dear Sirs,
Back in 2006 I advised on The Guns of James Bond auction at Christies. A PPK Kurz had been submitted as Sean's pistol from Dr.No and everyone and his dog was pretty happy with it. I had to prove to the specialists that despite what the armourer said on screen the pistol was in fact a PP and not a PPK. This actually meant freeze framing every time Bond's pistol appeared on screen, in his hand, by his bed, in the sand and in his pocket. I then had to do the same with every publicity image. It took bloody ages!
Now to the scene in question where this piece is claimed to be used. There are two instances where it is clear you are looking at a PP and not a PPK. When the armourer first takes the pistol from its case you can see the longer muzzle and when you know what you are looking at the two piece PP grips which do not join up at the rear of the magazine well as found on a PPK however the real give away is just before Sean holsters the pistol as the profile against his white shirt is of a long muzzle slide with a deeper magazine well/grip. We also had a stunt PP submitted which had a cast finger spur magazine baseplate so I had to prove that at no time did a PP appear other than with a flat base to the magazine so I am confident I can say 100% as a consultant the PPK submitted for auction was not at any time seen on screen in the 1962 production Dr.No.
I am also the author of the book The Most Famous Gun In The World, a history of 007's weapons on the silver screen.
If you would like any further information please do not hesitate to contact me.

Do I understand correctly: someone with more than half a clue informs Spinalot’s auction house that their description of a lot is incorrect?

This doesn’t sound familiar at all, does it?

I’ve been patient with this one, anticipating that there was more to come.

Subscribed !

https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/51133...-on-the-block/

Let’s hope someone on the 007 forum posts a link to this thread, as it adds most interesting context.

H

[J3w3ll3r]

https://news.sky.com/story/first-gun...ction-11566502

Is it this one...


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[zodiac]

Do I understand correctly: someone with more than half a clue informs Spinalot’s auction house that their description of a lot is incorrect?

This doesn’t sound familiar at all, does it?

I’ve been patient with this one, anticipating that there was more to come.

Subscribed !

https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/51133...-on-the-block/

Let’s hope someone on the 007 forum posts a link to this thread, as it adds most interesting context.

H

Update on AJB007 website from the auction house.

"Thank you for your email.

Just to let you know that in discussion with the vendor- we will be withdrawing this item from sale this morning.

Your technical detail of yesterday is appreciated and thank you again for contacting us.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Humbert"

Seems ok to withdraw the PPK but not the Seadweller.

[stefmcd]

I guess the difference between the watch and the gun is public profile. Had the watch Haywood tried to advise on been a Bond movie watch, I have little doubt they'd have wanted to avoid the potential scandal of a national press article.

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[Haywood_Milton]

I guess the difference between the watch and the gun is public profile. Had the watch Haywood tried to advise on been a Bond movie watch, I have little doubt they'd have wanted to avoid the potential scandal of a national press article.

For that to be the point of difference, Humbert & Ellis would surely have to show no concern for honest trading but be driven only by public relations concern? That's unbelievable.

It must be shockingly embarrassing to win such high profile media coverage for an item, then have to pull it from sale because an expert has been in touch to contradict the description they had created with such "due diligence."

How much worse it would be if something extraordinarily similar had happened, or should have happened, earlier in the same year?

In the 007 forum I note that Jonathan Humbert appears to have signed as Managing Director. This is something about which I am rather puzzled.....

[stefmcd]

For that to be the point of difference, Humbert & Ellis would surely have to show no concern for honest trading but be driven only by public relations concern? That's unbelievable. ...

Sorry, I'm so cynical.... ;-)



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[ChromeJob]

I came across the name Humbert & Ellis this morning. Guess what they’re trying to auction off now…

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ne...er-ppk-auction

Only problem ... it’s generally accepted that though they called it a PPK, it was a Walther PP used in the film. The story that Bernard Lee just “brought a PPK to the set” is rather silly. Did he also send it along to Jamaica for location filming?

I wonder if some Bond collector or gun collector will try to contact them about this “prop” and go down the same rut our esteemed fellow here did.

Just reading this thread. Such a strong sense of deja vu…

https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/51133...-on-the-block/

OOPS, you guys already found it.

Haywood, no reason you couldn’t inform the BBC of your experience with them. ;)



… and a mere day after the announcement (two?), they’re pulling the lot from their sale. “Due diligence?” :D

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ne...hdrawn-auction

[Haywood_Milton]

The BBC have now covered the embarrassing withdrawal of the Humbert & Ellis lot:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-46384001

This looks like damage limitation from Humbert :

"Given such a tide of differing opinion, the only course was to regretfully withdraw it, pending further diligence and investigation," he said. "Even the experts cannot agree."

I saw only an expert rubbishing the description.

Why is this lot withdrawn when the sale of the shocking, cocked up "Rolex" was allowed to continue?

Humbert must feel a thousand eyes are watching for any further false step.

[Peck]

I imagine their ‘regret’ at withdrawing was driven by that lovely big fat fee going up in smoke. My heart bleeds!

[murkeywaters]

How this thread rolls on! I never thought 007 would get involved..

Anyway the dust it’s kicked will hopefully spread through the auction industry and may tighten up a few appraisals before going to list, was there any updates on bad reviews being falsely handed out??


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[Haywood_Milton]

How this thread rolls on! I never thought 007 would get involved..

Anyway the dust it’s kicked will hopefully spread through the auction industry and may tighten up a few appraisals before going to list, was there any updates on bad reviews being falsely handed out??


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Idiots effectively left trails to their front doors, not just links to Jonathan Humbert.

Contact was made.

False reviews disappeared.

My review of Humbert & Ellis remains, unchallenged.

[ChromeJob]

The BBC have now covered the embarrassing withdrawal of the Humbert & Ellis lot:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-46384001

This looks like damage limitation from Humbert :

"Given such a tide of differing opinion, the only course was to regretfully withdraw it, pending further diligence and investigation," he said. "Even the experts cannot agree."

I saw only an expert rubbishing the description.

Agreed. I read of no experts claiming the provenance was authentic.

Provenance notes provided by filmmakers Eon Productions said that Mr Lee's "live and unregistered" PPK was handed to Sean Connery in the first scenes only, but was "inappropriate for filming on location". A Walther PP was used for the rest of the film.
"This is therefore, the first Walther PPK to appear in a Bond film," the notes read.

Wait, in the initial reports, the only provenance cited was the letter from Bernard Lee, and call sheets for that day’s filming listing “gun.” Now they claim the EON Productions confirmed that Lee brought his own firearm? That’s a change in the story…. :-\

As Connery said in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, “Both times I smelled a rat.”

Idiots effectively left trails to their front doors, not just links to Jonathan Humbert.

Contact was made.

False reviews disappeared.

My review of Humbert & Ellis remains, unchallenged.

Oh, the false reviews were removed? By the posters, or by teh venue hosting the reviews, I wonder. Hmmmm.


I suspect that H&E backed away from this as the potential for damage to their credibility was monumentally larger for a sale over a Bond-related collectible that was a “piece of British film history.” Hype will trip you up like that.

[Ivan Drago]

One of the best threads I've ever read, literally has everything.

[Templogin]

One of the best threads I've ever read, literally has everything.

It still needs a plumber and a video camera!

[Haywood_Milton]

I've just revisited Humbert Ellis' google reviews to see if they've been trying to salvage things.

A couple of five star reviews and I'm not even going to look to see if they are all linked on Facebook, but "Richard Head?" Well, he does give the company five stars...

[ChromeJob]

Possibly a shill with a sense of humour. How refreshing. :)

[murkeywaters]

I've just revisited Humbert Ellis' google reviews to see if they've been trying to salvage things.

A couple of five star reviews and I'm not even going to look to see if they are all linked on Facebook, but "Richard Head?" Well, he does give the company five stars...

Bit of irony there with Dick, sorry Richard leaving 5 stars.

Regarding reviews, I know Google see stars as a rating and NOT a review, I had a 1 star rating by mistake as the person had no idea of technology, they and me contacted Google to try and amend it but Google said they can only edit written reviews not star ratings.

Their advice was to get lots of 5 star reviews to drown the 1 star, was very annoying but kicked me up the rear to contact previous customers to leave positive feedback which has worked.

Back to the watch, I wonder where it is now?

[JPE]

If only the internet wasn't around there could still be bargains Or perhaps not!!

Looks quite an original watch with sharp lugs and the description of "off white painted markers" made me chuckle!

What will it go for?

EDIT - could be a wrong un??

Absolutely EVERYTHING is wrong with this "double red", starting with wayyyyyy too thick crown guards.

This classic Sub/SD was in production for 50 years and the fakers still haven't figured out how the crown guards actually look. Thin, very characteristic look.

The "triple six" actually had thicker crown guards and wider chamfers but 1665 and 16610 cases look pretty much the same..

Here's my friend's double red, which is the real thing. Look at the guards... they're like two "spikes".