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Thread: Double Red 1665 for £2-3k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPE View Post
    Absolutely EVERYTHING is wrong with this "double red", starting with wayyyyyy too thick crown guards.

    This classic Sub/SD was in production for 50 years and the fakers still haven't figured out how the crown guards actually look. Thin, very characteristic look.

    The "triple six" actually had thicker crown guards and wider chamfers but 1665 and 16610 cases look pretty much the same..

    Here's my friend's double red, which is the real thing. Look at the guards... they're like two "spikes".

    Will you be doing a review of your friends double red? I hope so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird84 View Post
    Will you be doing a review of your friends double red? I hope so!
    https://luxurywatches635.wordpress.c...dweller-16600/
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Double Red 1665 for £2-3k?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    Idiots effectively left trails to their front doors, not just links to Jonathan Humbert.

    Contact was made.

    False reviews disappeared.

    My review of Humbert & Ellis remains, unchallenged.
    Humbert & Ellis back in the Rolex game, anyone see anything wrong with either of these two lots?

    DayDate looks old and messed with but is it correct?

    126610 looks a bit rough between the lugs for quite a new watch
    Last edited by murkeywaters; 29th June 2022 at 06:28.

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    Both of those look wrong. Can’t quite put my finger on it but they don’t look good.

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    RE: the day date.

    Their listing:
    ROLEX - An 18ct gold Rolex Oyster Perpetual Day-Date bracelet wristwatch having day aperture and date aperture with fish eye glass, diamond batons on an after-market dial, diamond and emerald contrasting after-market bezel (with copy GIA certificate from before the replacement dial was fitted). Hallmarked 750. Numbered 2568702 under strap. Total weight 108g. Strap weighing 54.1g. No box or papers.

    They state the GIA report was from before the replacement dial was fitted. Strange, because the bezel is completely different as well.

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    How many times does an auction house do this before one can determine whether they are dishonest, ignorant or both?

    Having seen how they reacted last time they were caught selling a bad watch, I know my answer.

    As well as the parts of the Day-Date that they have declared as "aftermarket," the bracelet appears clearly to be fake :



    Furthermore, they describe and show what they call a "GIA certificate," GIA being the highly respected "Gemological Institute of America." However, what is shown is a certificate from GAI. Errrrrrrr.......

    The certificate does not appear to show any unique case number, but a watch with a different dial, different bezel....and different bracelet? Compare these two images, the first of the watch being offered :



    and this smaller image from the "certificate" :



    As for the Submariner, the finish, condition and alphanumerics here worry me.......



    Humbert & Ellis ? No thanks.
    Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 30th June 2022 at 17:11.

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    They’re saying the certificate is from the Gemmological Appraisal Industry
    (GAI)? Is that a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trident-7 View Post
    They’re saying the certificate is from the Gemmological Appraisal Industry
    (GAI)? Is that a thing?
    Don't know, but in terms of supporting the watch it's a tough call to say whether that bit of paper or Humbert & Ellis' reputation is worth less.

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    That Day-Date is a mighty fine piece. Emptying my piggy bank right now to see how far I can bid.
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    That Day-Date is a mighty fine piece. Emptying my piggy bank right now to see how far I can bid.
    Buy the seller Raffe buy the seller

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    I've pressed them about the fake bracelet and received a reply that ignored same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I've pressed them about the fake bracelet and received a reply that ignored same.
    I find it hard to believe that certain auction houses can sell fake goods as legit items with no consequences, while they act as a middle man they are surely still responsible to bidders for determining whether a watch is real or not, even more so with online bidding.

    If those watches in question are not real or have a shady past then combined with the 1665'alike it looks like H&E are an outlet for some unscrupulous dealer/trader, if these sell then whats coming next?

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    I pressed the matter of the bracelet and received the following :

    "We were not originally aware of an issue with the bracelet. We have postponed the watch sale pending further verification by a Rolex expert. Thank you for bringing this to our attention."

    Oooh, verification by a Rolex expert !

    If only someone with significant competence had already told you, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I pressed the matter of the bracelet and received the following :

    "We were not originally aware of an issue with the bracelet. We have postponed the watch sale pending further verification by a Rolex expert. Thank you for bringing this to our attention."

    Oooh, verification by a Rolex expert !

    If only someone with significant competence had already told you, eh?
    Well done HM, they have pulled them from auction unlike your advice on the 1665'alike so hopefully its getting through to them that they need to tighten up their inspection before listing hooky Rolex..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I pressed the matter of the bracelet and received the following :

    "We were not originally aware of an issue with the bracelet. We have postponed the watch sale pending further verification by a Rolex expert. Thank you for bringing this to our attention."

    Oooh, verification by a Rolex expert !

    If only someone with significant competence had already told you, eh?
    Them them to forward you a remittance for the expert fee.

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