Hopefully Stokes justifies his inclusion in the team.
I still feel sorry for a Curran, he impressed me with both bat and ball.
If anyone wants dropping on present form it's KJ.
Personally don't think we need a spinner for Trent Bridge - Rashid could have been dropped. The doom and gloom duster pitches we thought may be present hasn't materialised. Though sticking with the same team was entirely possible and I think justified.
Two good balls from Woakes, one silly hook before lunch, and since then the Indians don't seem in the slightest bothered by the English bowlers. They could easily put on a really good score.
Was the Cook catch that good? Alas only got text commentary on my current location in Baku!Originally Posted by Glamdring
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Amazing, certainly for a man of his age and height. Very athletic.Yes
Very good morning for England after a delayed start. Wonder what'll happen after lunch when India get their act together. Bumrah is bowling at 90mph.
Well that was a really poor day for England, when they are good they are really good and when they are poor they really are bad.
Read today we have not had an opening partnership of over 57 in 3 years, that’s really poor. Maybe lack of a settled opening pair but there has to be someone who can hang around and take the pressure off Root and the rest. Wonder what they will do for the next test now as this looks lost
Bring Curran back, hopefully.
Although I doubt that he would have made much of a difference today. The no1 Test side finally showed why they are no1.
Shocking day for the England batsmen yesterday.
Can say by to this one. Lol
We've brought India's lead down below 500, and we have all of our second innings wickets left.
Two days to go. Game on!
Or with any luck it will rain in Nottingham for the next two days...
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I disappear to the mountains for a couple of days and come back to see us needing over 500 to win and already 4 wickets down!?!?!
Should have stayed incognito.
England should open with Alex Hales and Tammy Beaumont. With Sarah Taylor at four, and keeping - Adam Gilchrist reckons that she's the best keeper in the world at the moment.
And any English batsman/woman who gets out by waving their bat at a wide one outside of off stump should forfeit 50% of their match fee.
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Amen to the last point, that would sort some of them out! But clearly this just demonstrates we have a 'culture' issue on how we approach the Test cricket. Until we change that not sure how changing up the line up will really make a difference.
The big question now is whether Jimmy Anderson can bat for 3 sessions...
Does anyone know if it's started raining in Nottingham yet? Only 8 or so hours of relentless, consistent drizzle needed and job done.
i hope not - we deserve to lose and makes the series more interesting and a test to see how good we are as a team.
Bus in to town, walk to Trent Bridge, watch 10 minutes of cricket, walk back to town, catch bus back home, free admittance, £3.80 bus fare, out the house 2 hours, ticking off attending an England test match for the first time... Priceless :-)
The top order batsmen have been awful, if it hadn't be for Buttler and Stokes......
Keaton Jennings can neither bat not catch a simple ball, it's beyond me what he is doing there.
Cheers,
Neil.
Agree on Jennings.
Moeen Ali hit a double hundred and took 8 wickets. Must be back in contention. What is pleasing is he is starting to exert/find his identity and wanting to be more a batsman than a bowler.
James Vince has been called up for the 4th Test.
It's his home ground, and he scored 147 there this week, against Nottinghamshire. Now I would be the first to admit that Notts aren't India, but they're a decent side, and if Vince is in form, he's going to do well.
Somebody on tv (might have been that thing where Bob Willis pontificates after the close of play on each day of a Test) that Ian Bell is back in form at the moment. Now there's a thought - Bell and Vince in together for England. Imagine the cover drives!
Moeen, as already mentioned, is also coming back into form, so even if Bairstow can't play, we're not short of options.
Just, please, drop Jennings and bring in Alex Hales.
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I'm ok if Vince comes in for just the one Test on his home ground, as long as people don't get carried away and want him back longer term - he doesn't have the mental skills needed for a permanent Test player.
Not sure if Hales is the answer to the opener, but at least it isn't Jennings!
First hour of Day 1 of the 4th Test and England are off to their usual start with the bat......ho hum, when will they ever learn???
Add : Jennings - FFS what was that?!?
Sigh, yes same old. We basically have 4 players who should be playing at 6 and 7. At most Bairstow should be batting at 5 - he is far more effective batting lower down. In addition Root should be at 4 - he is not the best versus the new ball straight away.
So we basically need a whole new 1-3 - as Cook looks to be on the way down and less said about Jennings the better. We need technicians who can defend and leave - no one in our team can do that sadly.
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Not that hungry then...?
Oh dear, 5 down....
Don't worry - Moeen and young Curran will both be on unbeaten centuries at stumps tonight and will both resume and go on to make double hundreds in the morning session tomorrow.
Oh, what.....sorry, I just had forty winks! ;-)
Tea time. Important partnership here. Need to make it to 250 at least to make a game of it. Important final session.
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Jennings dismissal is a joke. Feet planted way too early and just does not look mobile really poor. They must pick someone else, he is a walking wicket!! This means Root is exposed too early and the whole top order are constantly under pressure. Means we just struggle from the off.
Well played Sam Curran! A gutsy 50, 200 up for England, although 22 of those were byes. We'll take all of them right now!
Jennings is a liability, and I still think that Alex Hales is the answer at the top, and would give Cook some confidence - he hasn't had a reliable opening partner since Andrew Strauss. Vince at 3, so Root can come in at 4, which is his preferred position. The rest then sort themselves out.
We might still have a game here. You can't judge a pitch until both sides have batted, the ball is hooping around (hence the byes), and we have Anderson, Broad and Curran.
I'll be there tomorrow in the Shane Warne Stand, with my son, hoping that England have a better day.
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Couldn’t agree more although it’s hard to see an alternative. The search for Cook’s partner has been going on for too long and we seem no nearer to an answer. At one time I thought Adam Lythe was the solution- and I still think he might have been discarded too soon.
We also need a quality No 3- which would allow Joe Root to drop down to No 4. In my opinion all batsmen from 3 to 6 /7 are batting at least one place too high.
It was 50 years ago today that Sir Garfield Sobers scored his magnificent 6 sixes in a single over for Notts against Glamorgan.
Just before I developed an interest in the game.
Today's performance wasn't horrid though it took me back years to the days when the last thing England could do was get out #9 and 10. Then again I remember a game a few years ago when we avoided defeat against Oz at Cardiff by an excellent last wicket stand.
The game is nicely balanced now, first hour this morning is going to be crucial, what do we think? England must be favourites now?
Pretty even I’d say. If we can get to lunch with no more than one wicket down then we’ll be favourites.
FFS - why are the top 4 batsmen allowed to waste reviews? Save them for the ones who get runs.
Pray for rain.
I dunno about needing rain - I think we have approaching enough on the board. Another great knock by Buttler - cemented himself at 7, perfect position for him.
Let's see if we can add a quick fire additional 40.
Certainly better than I expected. Now India have to beat the 'chasing' record to beat us.
Yes ENG are favourites now, but only just I would say. Batting 4th never easy. Another 70 or so runs is possible I would say. Leaving them 300 to chase.
Certainly possible but highly improbable.
I can't see England putting on more than 30 runs for the last 2 wickets this morning, even with Curran still at the crease. If they can bat 10 overs that would be good IMHO.
Oh well, a handful of overs and 11 runs, could've been better (as has become the norm for England) - but 245 to win, is going to be a tough challenge for the Indians.
And they're three down at the moment - most people pinned 200 even being enough and I reckon its better we started bowling early and have as much time as possible.
This Test again shows why unless the wicket/conditions are obviously 'bowl first' why it's so important to bat first.
Some gritty second innings batting may have saved our first innings failure.
Yep, looks like series is sealed, but we shall see. Never know with Mr K at the crease.
And we win, with the series! This shouldn't distract us from needing to sort out the top order and get some proper specialist batsmen, but a few cracking performances have helped us. The highlights have to be Curran's first innings and the partnership between Stokes and Buttler yesterday.
And finally - great to see Moeen back in the side - he is a class performer at Test level and a crucial member of this team. Just need to figure out where is his best batting position.
A 60 run win, which is cool. Two umpiring errors, including the final wicket.
I thought Root captained well, where often I have my doubts about him.
One more match. Curran needs to be included.
An excellent Test, with the advantage swinging both ways, on a surface which always offered something for the bowlers, at one of the best grounds in the country.
Kohli was magnanimous when he spoke after the game, and there's no doubt that he's the premier Test batsman in the world at the moment, but there are serious shortcomings in the Indian side. They have a very long tail, and only Pujara's brilliant batting and marshalling of the tail in the first innings saved them from a deficit, they rely heavily on Ashwin as their only spinner, and if he doesn't have a good game, then they have a problem.
I remain unconvinced by Rashid, who hasn't contributed much in this series. Again, it seems that every international side must include a "mystery spinner", but in the case of Rashid the mystery is why he's in the side. On the other hand, the positives for England in this series are Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes and the continuing form and reliability of Stuart Broad and James Anderson. The negatives are once again numbers 1-3 failing with the bat, leaving England often four wickets down with less than 100 on the scoreboard, and England's use of the Review system. Cook may miss the last test for the birth of his third child, so England may need a new opener - but who?
One to go, then. 4-1? Then it's Sri Lanka and the West Indies over the winter, and a home Ashes series next summer.
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I agree about Rashid - seems a bit odd. But I still think it's down to Root being not totally sure how to use him effectively.
Kohli has done well in keeping some of his underperforming stars out of the spotlight. I think it is worth giving India's seamers a lot of credit, they've been excellent. Ironic that what has let them down has been spin. Why haven't they got Jadega in the squads? Isn't he like 2/3rd ranked in the world for Test bowlers......
We have also been lucky with the toss - not sure how this would have gone if India had batted first.
Agree on the toss. Would have been a different series if toss hadn't gone England's way in all matches!
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How often has it come down to whoever wins the toss gets the game? It's like rain, just luck. Next time we visit India we'll be slaughtered.
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