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    Hi Eddie,

    I like the design a lot but would prefer the automatic Seiko movement. If needed I know someone with contacts.

    The mecaquartz is nice but not a mechanical and I am not currently looking at anything non mechanical...

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    Will there be a panda version ?
    (Black subdials on white)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM94 View Post
    I like that a lot, especially with the brown/tan strap.

    42mm is fine for me. I am wary of vintage lume because I fear it is 'of the moment' but I believe an all white lume on this may make it feel too busy and fussy (like a Navitimer)

    I'm still holding our hope for the Smiths vintage 60s chrono too.

    +1
    Especially considering that revolution is now marketing NOS gevril tribecas for $2900...


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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyJack View Post
    Very nice - and quite reminiscent of a Breguet and other make' Type XX French Air Force Chrono. Whether 2 or 3 sundials, can we place have it with a 0-12 rather than a 0-60 bezel, like these?



    I think this is more akin to the project:



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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I think this is more akin to the project:



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    I bet that isn't 42mm across the beam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinCRC View Post
    I bet that isn't 42mm across the beam.
    The modern Air Command's are 40mm.

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    What do you think of it so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I think this is more akin to the project:



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    Helson did a nice mechanical homage a few years back.


    Eddie,

    Would a seagull movement like the ST1901 fit to the design and make it in the project?
    I know you have some previous experience with the PRS-5 on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzuli View Post
    First rendition looks fantastic.

    40mm, 1-12 bezel, no date.

    This.

    Dave

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    The twin sub dial version is sheer watch porn, it's so hot it should be in the boys room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    What do you think of it so far?


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    Too big.

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    I think it looks fantastic, only downside for me is the size. If it were 39mm then I'd be all over it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinCRC View Post
    I bet that isn't 42mm across the beam.
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    By measuring a movement shot and comparing the case to the 31.3mm dismeter of the Valjoux 22 in the original, I come to the fact that the original is 39.8mm across.

    Dave

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    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Yes, that's an improvement

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    Winner.

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    That's now perfect in every way.



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    Interesting design project and loving the initial drawings.

    My opinion is the design lends itself to a bracelet with the green lume, but I really like the creme with the leather straps.

    I don't know much history in the watch face itself - be great if you can share more on why this was chosen? My preference FWIW is the creme/leather combo.

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    I'm struggling to find fault with that now; apart from the more subjective size issue that my svelte wrists raise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    That looks great!! :0)

    er, could we have Silvered hands please...???

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    Much better without the tachymeter on the dial, would definitely be in for one now

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    I'm struggling to find fault with that now; apart from the more subjective size issue that my svelte wrists raise.
    Not a fault as such but I'd still prefer it with a 12hour bezel.

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    Now it's lovely, sensible movement as well, I'd prefer that to the Seagull option.
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonH View Post
    Much better without the tachymeter on the dial
    I agree. I don't however think this style of watch suits a bracelet.

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    Comparing the two images, now the new one looks to me slightly off due to the space created between the inside edge of the bezel and the seconds marks on the dial. It almost feels like the dial has been stamped too small for the case, if you get me?

    I don't have a horse in this race - like others in here, the lug to lug dimension will be too big for my wrist, so my thoughts are somewhat pointless anyway from a customer perspective!

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    I love them both but at 42mm I'm out. I keep falling for watches at that size and always end up selling them again, they are uncomfortable and look like a clock on my wrist even if these days my eyes would appreciate it.

    Surely 40mm is the classic size for watches of this type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughtrimble View Post
    Comparing the two images, now the new one looks to me slightly off due to the space created between the inside edge of the bezel and the seconds marks on the dial. It almost feels like the dial has been stamped too small for the case, if you get me?!
    I think that might be just down to the rendering of the image, you'll see the dial part isn't centred in the case.




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    Before anyone suggests killing two birds with one stone and shrinking the case to eliminate the gap, to my eyes, the balance between dial size and case size is then lost.



    Far better to just make the thing 40 mm and tweak the dial layout to suit whilst maintaining the relative dial/case proportions of the current render.

    Martin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy67 View Post
    I love them both but at 42mm I'm out. I keep falling for watches at that size and always end up selling them again, they are uncomfortable and look like a clock on my wrist even if these days my eyes would appreciate it.

    Surely 40mm is the classic size for watches of this type?

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    To justify a quartz movement it needs to be slimmer than you could ever achieve with a mechanical movement, 12mm maximum.

    The sub-dials need better definition. The sub-dial hands should move within their own separate dial; better recessed but if not textured in some way.

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    The latest version is certainly an improvement although I am not a fan of the beads of rice bracelet.

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    Even though I'm waiting for the other Chrono - I'm in!

    Size is good for me, only thing I'd not go with is the BOR i'm afraid, what other options would there be Edwardo?

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    What do you think of it so far?

    Here's a treat for some of you guys...

    The Breguet style 12-hour bezel, and also a 40mm variant.

    There's a lot more tuning required.
    (this watch design stuff isn't easy!)

    e.g. Not sure if I like the "Big Balls" sub-dials... but it's growing on me lol.



    and no BOR... save the money, this watch deserves a strap. People will customize.

    Also, I was thinking if we did go three-register, one of the registers in all the Mecha-Q variants is a 24 hour hand (iirc)... and could that be coverted to an AM/PM indicator, maybe like JLC's red dot... ? Everybody loves a little Jaeger. ;-)

    e.g.
    red dots
    http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/e...h/2068570.html
    http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/e...h/208A570.html
    and no dot, but...
    http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/e...h/207857J.html

    I assume "tuning" custom registers is probably beyond where Eddie can or wants to go?

    Other Inspirations

    Dodane Type 21 Reissue
    https://www.fratellowatches.com/the-...pe-21-reissue/

    Tactico Type RE
    I was dead keen on the sold out Tactico RE release from a few years ago.
    Could be some design cues there worth having a look at...
    I'm not advocating copying another brands work (not much different than eyeballing the Breguets etc. at this point though)
    but at least it was a modern micro-brand build ... sometimes design elements from say the 1950's are not possible to recreate today except at vast cost.
    I'm unclear on the sizing, whether it was 40mm / 22mm / 48mm or 42-43-44mm / 22mm / 52mm

    http://www.tacticowatches.com/styled...s-5/index.html
    https://oceanictime.blogspot.ca/2013...o-type-re.html
    https://youtu.be/U63bmzVeKiM?t=278 (and diagram at 7:35)
    Last edited by redhed18; 5th May 2018 at 16:00.

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    Hmm, on my previous post, I had just scaled the entire 42mm watch down to 40mm to make the "Refined" version.

    Then I realized maybe that would be a problem for the hands (like can you get them 1mm smaller?)

    So I made another copy, except this time, ALL the hands on the 40mm are the same size as the hands on the 42mm
    it actually doesn't look bad... maybe the second hand is a little too long.
    Maybe that could be made smaller, or alternatively just scale the dial design up - pushing it outwards very minimally (0.5 - 1.0mm?)

    If the dial went up very slightly in size (pushing towards the edge) then it really shouldn't be an issue.

    I find there's a bit too much blank space outside the outer index circle as it is anyway...



    Ah shoot, I failed to consider the positions of the sub-registers... that will be defined and fixed by the movement choice.
    Back to the studio...

    OK here we go.... the original 42mm, and the new 40mm case = USING THE SAME HANDS & DIAL as the 42

    MartinCRC is going to lose it as I come full circle to his position



    Now if hand size IS flexible, then we could fiddle with it some more.

    The register positions however are fixed, so if we want the "gap" between the index circle and rehaut, then we have to shrink the size of the BIG BALLS registers (but leave them fixed on their center points), allowing us to bring the outer index track down in size (leaving us a wider gap to rehaut) ...

    That is really starting to get beyond what I can do with Photoshop (well, GIMP) hacking up the image.
    Last edited by redhed18; 5th May 2018 at 08:53.

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    Ok MartinCRC, I think that I got it.

    This is scaled as you suggested to suit the 40mm case.

    The key is that the registers are the same width apart as on the 42mm case (approx. 15mm)

    I tried to keep the same proportions, like that the "gap" is about 7% of the radius.
    The subdials were sized to 95% of their originals.

    OPTION A:



    OPTION B:

    As above, but a different dial marker variation

    - the cut-off markers at 10,2,4,8 were bugging me... but I don't know if I like this alternative or not:



    I'm inclined to put all the hands back to the "large" (42mm) size on the 40mm case, as in the first picture posted in #82 above

    I think the larger hands looked better on the 40mm dial ... except for the second hand of course.

    So finally...

    OPTION C:

    the longer minute & hour hands, and ... NO MARKERS.
    I mean, the hours are on the bezel so reading the time is not a problem.
    Ultra clean.




    Technically we should also check out the pump pushers... they probably need to be in the same position/axis as the 42mm case.
    Also maybe the crown should be the original size instead of scaled down with the case.
    All depends on what Eddie's manufacturing options are...

    For reference a VK64 movement is as follows (in size), so at least THAT doesn't seem like an issue on the smaller case (but what do I know...)

    Outside Diameter: 13 1/2 Ligne or 30.8 x 29.1mm
    Last edited by redhed18; 5th May 2018 at 08:58.

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    Question: applied markers, or painted on?

    Applied could be classy.

    Summary of 40mm options above

    Here's the A-B-C comparison in a bit more easily comparable format,
    I realized how hard it was to see the other post images on my phone...

    Tip: hold your phone over your wrist and scroll up / down until you find the one you like







    Not sure myself whether the watch is better with or without the "gap" to the rehaut.
    It may depend on the crystal used and whether leaving the gap means the entire dial will be sharply visible.
    Sometimes the edge of the dial can look a bit distorted where the crystal chamfer takes effect... so a gap could be a good idea.
    Last edited by redhed18; 5th May 2018 at 19:40.

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    Eddie’s second render of the two sub dial version is a big improvement, losing the tachymetre makes the design a lot cleaner.

    Thank you Martin and Redhed for the scaled down to 40mm images, great effort guys.

    Dave

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    Love The second rendering on the BOR bracelet. Looking forward to this one already.

    Although I would also prefer a 40mm case size.

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    Likin’ this

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    Very nice, personally I like the original design the most, but its not clear what the profile of the crystal will be like. I hope it's domed, plus I would rather it was acrylic rather than Sapphire to be honest.

    If you do opt for a 12 hour bezel instead, can we please have an inverted 6 instead. The current open 6 and 9 just does seem to be quite right imho.
    Last edited by Andyg; 13th May 2018 at 07:59.

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    Will this be the next new release for time factors watches?

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    I was looking around at Nageur de Combat straps and through a couple of links came across an interesting chronograph made by an American company called Hemel.
    It is a nice looking chrono, but not as nice looking as this by a long way (Option A, standard markers for me).
    However, what is a lot more interesting is that they are selling a 2 register chrono (sub-seconds at 3, chrono 30 minute sub-dial at 9) powered by the Seiko NE88 movement. And they are selling the chronograph for US$999.
    They do a VK64 version of the same watch for US$449.

    This makes an auto, 28800 bph column wheel chronograph a relatively viable possibility, does it not???

    What think you?

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    I'm loving the 12hr bezel! it's a need not a want I think! It's looking great though.

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    There won't be a 12 hour bezel.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    I think it would be great if the 24hr counter could be made into an overtly-styled Day/Night indicator like the Omega Flightmaster, rather than something that just looks like a running hours sub-dial.



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    Late to the party in but another in the "love it but wish it was 40mm instead of 42MM" camp.

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    Is this an actual watch in the pipeline? I think this is a winner.

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    Hope so!



    Quote Originally Posted by joeytheghost View Post
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    Is this an actual watch in the pipeline? I think this is a winner.[/QUOTE]

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    This was an attempt from years back,
    Put on hold I guess.
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Tweaking continues. I'm not sure about the black/white day/night sub-dial but I didn't want a bright colour. Maybe dove grey?



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    The black/white to me is rather harsh.

    I do feel the need for some contrast however. Maybe both sub-dials in a lighter grey with some texture/pattern?

    And maybe colour the second/sub-dial hands?
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    The splash of colour on the prs50a is one of the things that make it for me. I can see that grey on the subdial would look refined /understated /classy etc etc but i do like watches that have something a little bit different. Yellow for example.
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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