Reply With QuoteIt does look good without a doubt.
I had never quite understood the hype around the ceramic Daytona. I had tried on a SS and TT model and was a bit meh about them. But today I tried the white dial ceramic, and WOW. Felt a perfect size, which surprised me as SS/TT had felt small.
Downside, it is a 2016 piece for sale at 16k. Just have to wait. And wait.
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It does look good without a doubt.
Looks rather nice..... and at least it doesn't have one of those hideous cyclops :-)
Yes and unlike the 116520, it is very legible.
Beautiful, though I'd have to sell my house to afford one ;-(
I was sat in a dealers last week with an 'as new' 116500 ceramic in one hand, and a vintage 16520 'zenith' in the other.
Both were virtually the same price.
I bought the 'classic'.
Never seen any "in the flesh", so to speak..They may well look lovely..I could never afford one......just as well, as I doubt Id be able to read it anyway!
Daytonas are nice watches; but that is all they are....nice watches. I enjoy mine, but it is no more 'special' than many other models. To me at least. The rest seems just hype. In truth, the Speedie Pro is very attractive at 40% of the price. Easier to read and use too. Probably not as precise or well-built , but an awful lot of watch for the price. If it is good enough for NASA.....
Why not the Zenith?😉Originally Posted by Geneve
I don’t think you’re missing much Daney.......at a glance they look like a TAG F1 to me
Paul
16 grand for a used watch? Wow, the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad.
£16k ? That’s a bargain.
http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/D...94/item/104947
Given they buy them in at £13k that’s quite a markup.
If someone is prepared to pay the money, then so what. It's a free country and we can spend our cash on whatever we want.
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Spent 10 years waiting for a 116520 and eventually got one. Got straight on the list for the 116500 and once I got it my 116520 never really got a look in. It’s a very modern watch with a bit of a vintage look about it.
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As far as I am concerned, if you want to buy drugs, go out and buy the stuff. I wouldn't but who is anyone else to tell you what to do.With the exception of decent recreational drugs
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Have you got ripped jeans on?
Do Daytona’s come with optional cyclops?
From my limited understanding of Rolex watches, the hideous cyclops are only fitted to models that have a date window, which happens to be so small that anyone with less than perfect eyesight can't see the date. To my mind, fitting a cyclops is an admission that Rolex got the basic design wrong and had to come up with a bodge to fix their error.
I made no comment on the ethics, just that it was a large markup.
I happen to agree with you, if the market will pay it, good luck to them.
Its taking them a long time to fix their ‘error’ isn’t it. Idiots.
I noticed that earlier too. There are plenty available around the 16k mark so can't see it shifting for a while.
What I don’t understand is why Rolex publish prices on their website but do not sell directly to the public. Besides the list price is an i. If you click on that, it explains that this price is the suggested retail price. If this is the case, why do ADs not charge what they could get for them?
Serious question?
What about suggested retail prices at McDonald's or Mercedes Benz?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I’m not sure I understand your question here.
Rolex ADs generally sell their steel models at the MRSP whilst McDonalds franchises sell at prices other than MRSP (often higher) whilst Mercedes cars are invariably available at prices below MRSP.
Yes, I’m serious. McDonalds prices aren’t the same all over the country. Why cant a Rolex AD charge, say, £12995 for a ceramic Daytona? List is £9350, but that’s a suggested retail price, as stated on the website.
McD franchises sell at prices other than suggested retail price? Not in my part of the world.
If you are looking to buy a rare car or any other good with supply shortage, you will end up paying the suggested price. Same applies to Rolex.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
They don't sell direct, because if they did they would probably have to answer emails like this.
Ever seen a new car from a main dealer offered above retail price?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Constructive. Not.
Show me regular supply production cars that fetch premiums over list over a prolonged period.
Why do you not understand?
They are the manufacturer - they sell through a distributer/dealer network. There are inevitably some small variations due to local taxes or currency exchange rates.
Fairly simple concept TBH.
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But by definition, Rolex are suggesting retail price. Why shouldn’t an AD, which isn’t owned by Rolex, not be allowed to sell at the going rate?
Because they would then not be considered an AD and be out of the network - happens to those with low volume sales and/or over-discounting.
It's not the going rate, rather the rate that grey/second dealers manage to charge for a harder to get watch which is paid by those who can afford/not wait for one via the usual AD channels
Same happens with Porsche cars - halo stuff has a limited release and is down to some macabre selection by the dealer network - often seen via re-sellers with delivery mileage with big mark up.
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And no date either.
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Any LE Porsche model will. They are sold by main dealers to VIP customers at list price, only to be immediately resold at a premium.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
They key part here is LE. The Daytona isn’t an LE.
But it's restricted supply/availability and has been for some time across 3 iterations.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
It is.
They produce less than the market demands. Quite obviously, there wouldn't be a price premium if they were readily available at the ADs.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Limited editions are a specified number. Daytona’s have no set production number. Same applies to BLNR and Deepsea blue. If supply doesn’t meet demand, that doesn’t make it a Limited Edition.
You are splitting hairs - where is the quantification the LE equals specified number?
Reality is the supply is choked which leads to resales with profit to those who are prepared to pay.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Porsche 991r sold new for £130k. Those lucky enough to get one could offload it straight after for £450k.
Makes a Daytona Ceramic look like a bargain.
I was offered a fully stickered up 116500 white face 3 weeks ago for just above £13k. Did not wait a second to buy it.
Can't wait 10 years for one.
I think it is still a relative bargain vs something like a PP 5711.
The market is likely to remain firm for a long while. Blame Brexit or whatever currency gyrations.
The Porsche 911r is limited to 991 examples so is, by definition, a Limited Edition.
The Rolex Daytona has no set, predetermined, production number so is not an LE. That’s not splitting hairs, that’s just demonstrating the difference between the two.
The situation is choked supply and no finite numbers from Rolex.
If you do not understand the dynamics of supply and demand I would avoid getting into these kind of discussions.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
What a nonsense.
Sure the Daytona is limited, the fact that they don't publish the number of produced units doesn't change the fact that they wilfully produce less than the market would uptake in order to make them rare and desirable.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
End result is the same: you want one? Pay up.
I have been offered one, by an AD, over list! Problem is, the margin over list is to be paid in cash and my receipt will only reflect list price. Not a small premium either, it was working out close to £12k. Seems like some are working it. I didn’t buy it, too small for my taste.
The 'Daytona phenomena' has some similarity with cars and other niche luxury products, where demand exceeds supply, and a premium being put on values in the secondary market.
The latest 116500 is in open, on-going, production and aftermarket values are being sustained by those who must have the latest model and don't want to join a waiting list - as with some cars.
I actually preferred the 16520 because it is long out of production, part of a Rolex history, and from an earlier era - so a bit like buying a classic/collectable car than a brand new one.
Of course, it's the earlier models that have become seriously collectible, with staggering prices, and the Newman factor. The contemporary models and Rolex's mass marketing at events like F1, have cheapened the brand IMO.
Agreed, marketing has cheapened the brand.
To me, it is only a looks thing. The 116500 is the best looking of the modern Daytonas (1990's through to 2010's). The sole reason i was after one.
Sorry but Rolex have not cheapened the brand and the proof of this is that people will pay way over the RRP in order to buy the latest models. FI gives the Daytona a public purpose even though in reality nobody is actually likely to use it at a racing event. Sponsoring high prestige sporting events nearly always pays off in terms of cache and image leading to an increase in demand.
Whatever anyone thinks of Rolex, their marketing policies are world class.
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