I really dislike this current trend for tablet type interiors. It just smacks of laziness on the designers part. It’s almost like they forgot about something and put it on as an afterthought.
I really dislike this current trend for tablet type interiors. It just smacks of laziness on the designers part. It’s almost like they forgot about something and put it on as an afterthought.
Buy old cars then...?
Doesn’t really work when my licensing authority require a new car at the time of plating.Originally Posted by Bravo73
End of your angst then?
Nothing to be done.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Nothing to do with angst Chris, just simply voicing my opinion that I think it’s lazy design and judging by some of the replies, I’m not alone in my thoughts.
Of course, but if you have to go down the 'new' route and there are no wide choice of suitable cars then it's a dead end - a few folk grumbling on a watch forum will change nothing - and of course somebody will be a long shortly to suggest an MX%......Lol
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Mercedes are the worst, looks like a complete after thought. Why on Earth don’t they just incorporate it properly .
I have to say any touchscreen in a car is challenging when moving and more so in a trumpy motor, give me a knob anytime! (Que Sarcastic banter)
RIAC
What do you run as your taxi Jay and are you looking to replace it?
Car makers seem to be making the same mistake that operating system and desktop environment developers made a few years ago: Mobile form factor is popular therefore we must make everything look like it is a mobile form factor, even when that is unsuitable for our use case.
This ended badly for operating system and desktop environment develops and it seems as ill thought out and implemented in cars.
I’m ok for a few years yet as I have a 2016 E Class and a 2017 Skoda Superb.
Ironically if they get their act together I’d like to get a Tesla Model 3 when it comes time to change and that thing is all tablet !
Jag still has the old school approach...
Although the Sat Nav is pretty dumb
z
Oi, that’s my car!Jag still has the old school approach...
Although the Sat Nav is pretty dumb
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Has the same sat nav as my Range Rover I think. Always trying to take you down single track roads and nothing you change in settings makes any difference.Jag still has the old school approach...
Although the Sat Nav is pretty dumb
z
Complained to JLR and they said they needed examples of lots of routes and details etc. Like they weren’t aware of it! It’s just a piss poor system considering the cost of the cars they put it in.
Have a free app on my iPhone that works better!
It is lazy design - and I bet if one goes wrong, even though they look like a bolt - on device they probably need the whole dash taken out to fix the problem, involving hours of labour!
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I totally agree with you. Combined with the high gloss interior of Mercedes... totally ugly. I spotted the new (USA only for now) Honda CR-V last Friday in Orlando. Lo and behold: the same slap-on tablet-ish entertainment module! Grrrrr.
Menno
A pic from the internet:
I agree re: modern interiors and a certain apathy towards design.
I've not got a 'tablet' in my car, how easy are they to operate while on the move given their lack of 'tactility'?
I have to say my favourite interior by far was my E85 Z4 interior. Sparse but purposeful. A world away from my TT RS interior!
Cars are for driving.
Who want's a tablet in their car?
Should be illegal to use one anyway
Won't buy a new car with a stuck on appendage in the field of view.
They'll all be obsolete in a few years anyway. Don't mind dumping a laptop after two years, but a car because the IT is obsolete?
Spot on. IT in cars really does need to be separately upgradeable, linking to an industry standard interface for compatibility. Anything else is substandard.
I also hated the stick on approach but now having a bmw with a stuck on screen I actually now like it and what it does.
From a design point of view and to keep up with the my screen is bigger than yours brigade they really have no option but to attach it to the top. Imagine integrating it into the dash, might end up with a very high dash?
The idrive (knob) interaction device is far more user friendly and intuitive than people expect. I much prefer it to a touch screen in a car.
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What model is that? That’s lovely.
At a guess I’d say, Lexus-LS-460-light-gray-leather-shimamoku-espresso-wood-trim?
I work as a user experience and interface designer and often marvel at how wrong many car manufacturers have got it over the last few years.
Manufacturers such as Renault, VW, Tesla etc are moving away from restrictive and inappropriate landscape tablets installed in a position unsuitable for the driver. Audi/VWs virtual cockpit works very well with the steering controls being more intuitive than you would expect. However, speech recognition has made huge leaps ahead in the last few years in other devices and it won't be long before its the main interaction within a mainstream vehicle.
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Previous company car was a BMW 320ed and their iDrive knob worked better than the new Mercedes GLA equivalent, although Apple Car Play works nicely (until you’re driving at night and the screen half blinds you)
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Agree with the OP.
Plus I still find modern sat navs which manufacturers are charging circa £1500 for as an option are still generally worse than a £99 Garmin or TomTom out of Halfords. I mean when your phone has Google maps you have to question why you need anything else?
But that Lexus interior below is very nice indeed.
Surely it wouldn't be hard to integrate a 10-12" screen into the dash would it and just have it pre-installed with Google maps?
Indeed. Aicraft have had multifunction displays for ages so why not cars. This 'tablet' metaphor is absurd.
Now that looks more like it. (Although it would still fail the easy upgradability test).It does look like that's the way the market is heading. This from CES 2018! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42599345
Agreed.
Looks good to me
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None of the aircraft systems that I have ever used are desperately intuitive.
Car drivers are also much more likely to have used a tablet previously. Hence, I imagine, why car designers have tried to transfer them across.
Why, apart from Sat Nav, would you need to upgrade the display?
It seems to me to be a non issue; there’s never been talk of issues regarding the ability to upgrade analogue displays so why should it suddenly be so essential for digital?
(1) Compatibility. Connectivity is one of the most important things nowadays, and that implies the need for upgradability over the life of a car.
(2) Isn't satnav enough of a justification in and of its own right when it is integrated?
(3) Sustainability. Systems break. Replacing them is part of maintenance. This implies long term compatibility and thus, in the world in which we now exist and function, upgradability. Indeed, reasonable-cost upgradability (which in turn implies standardised interfaces, both electronic and physical) is a potential profit centre.
Because the world has moved on.
As capabilities increase and improve, new corollaries become apparent. After a while people begin to expect them and feel they are basic.
See below.
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So are we talking software or hardware upgradeability?
If it’s hardware then my question still stands, if software then why would this display be any more difficult than any other software upgrade?
Yep - I hate the tacked on tablet look too.
The Golf's is much better integrated and you can put the sat nav on the dash right in front of you on the R which is a good feature.
M
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Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
Agreed, the daft thing about the Merc one is its not even a touch screen.
Cheers..
Jase
Yes the Mercedes one looks stupid. It stopped Mrs T-7 from buying one. I don't like screens in cars full stop. They're a death waiting to happen, but usually not the driver's.
Must agree with the Merc interior being just awful. I had an slk in the old days and loved it. Now having kids I have moved to Landrover, could not live with that Halfords look on the Merc dash.
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I don't like the Mercedes interior but their infotainment system has improved over the last generation of cars. The current JLR system however, is on of the most disappointing i've experienced. Ignoring the sat nav which several here say is rubbish, the interface itself is just awful and the information display on the dash is especially useless and limited. Considering their position in the market it should be a lot better.
I know what you mean about the stuck on screens, the pop up ones are worse imho. im quite pleased with my little R Design V40, all rather a pleasant place to be for hours on end. great hifi too.
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much prefer integrated and not pup tacked on tablet style thingies
It does look like that's the way the market is heading. This from CES 2018! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42599345
I agree with the OP. Aesthetics aside, what bothers me even more is that a touchscreen, unless done properly (ie large easy-to-hit "buttons") is surely more of a liability than physical switches, dials etc which I often find you can locate by touch without even looking. There's all this focus about speed, road safety etc but then they go and whack a 10" tablet on the dash which you need to look directly at in order to use. Don't try and tell me that isn't hugely distracting especially when there are menus, submenus etc. The i-Drive setup which at least uses a rotary dial is perhaps better in this regard.
You can expect to see this become the common approach. Think how cheap big screens are now. This would probably be cheaper than traditional dash's with deferent spec/variant and option buttons/blanks.It does look like that's the way the market is heading. This from CES 2018! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42599345
Just fit one big screen and put the software for that specific model in.
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Now that looks familiar - must be because I drive an Auris too. Nice place to sit and everything works nicely (Toyota/Lexus really have sorted things out IMHO)much prefer integrated and not pup tacked on tablet style thingies
Cheers,
MarkC
Not sure I'm qualified to comment looking at my dash. Still have a tape deck!
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Perhaps you and I see things differently Mark. I don’t see that people will want to change hardware in a car unless it was broken in just the same way as Any car part currently.
The vast majority of cars sold today are not modified. In any way, why would someone want to change a digital display just because it’s electronic?
None of your reasons answer the question with the possible exception of sat Nav but that would only be software anyway.
People currently buy (or more usually lease) their cars for two or three years then upgrade; surely there’s no good reason to “upgrade” hardware within that period?
Just because somethings obsolete, it doesn’t mean that it’s any less fit for purpose than it was when it was new.
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