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    Vintage Rolex gmt

    Iíd like to add one of these to the collection this year ,some you see on jubilee bracelet and some on oyster.when they were new did you have an option,which one you wanted or does it depend on which model you picked.
    Iíve read many people stating the jubilees arenít has good and wear quicker but I think they look better.
    Trying to gain as much information as possible before I make a purchase


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    Here's one of the online guides - there could be more.


    http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com

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    Mike Wood has a rather tasty Gilt full set:

    http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Here's one of the online guides - there could be more.


    http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com

    Al
    Cheers for that ,sums it up


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    I guess the fact that there is no price listed means it will be eyewateringly expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigeG View Post
    I guess the fact that there is no price listed means it will be eyewateringly expensive
    I wondered why no price was stated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    Mike Wood has a rather tasty Gilt full set:

    http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
    Thanks for that ,I feel that may be more than I want to pay


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    Expect to pay north of £6k regardless of bracelet/box/papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Expect to pay north of £6k regardless of bracelet/box/papers.
    Quite a bit North for an original 1675 or 16750 with matt dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Quite a bit North for an original 1675 or 16750 with matt dial.
    Indeed.
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    Thanks for link. It seems a minefield and the price range is huge dependant on the tiniest detail

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    The easy cop out is to do what I did and buy a 16710 GMT11.

    You can fit a plain black or a black/red or a red/blue bezel and still be original.

    Also you can wear either an Oyster or Jubilee bracelet, so the world is your Lobster as Arthur would have said.

    However when I wore the 16710 with its black/blue bezel with the Jubilee bracelet combination, some old chap who looked to be approaching his eighties came up to me, congratulated me on wearing the GMT and then promptly advised me that it looked a tad vulgar.

    You just can't win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Quite a bit North for an original 1675 or 16750 with matt dial.
    Was the 1675 available with anything other than matt dial? I have one from last year of production.

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    Mick P : What is this black / blue bezel 16710 of which you speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    Mick P : What is this black / blue bezel 16710 of which you speak?
    It is a secret code that to the inner circle means black/red. That's my excuse and I am sticking with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Was the 1675 available with anything other than matt dial? I have one from last year of production.
    No as 16750 came after 1675 and was matt Dial too, but think they transitioned to gloss dial white gold markers on the 16750 so had both matt and gloss

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokbok View Post
    No as 16750 came after 1675 and was matt Dial too, but think they transitioned to gloss dial white gold markers on the 16750 so had both matt and gloss
    Ah-hah........ thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Expect to pay north of £6k regardless of bracelet/box/papers.
    Is this really the case?? Surely something north of £6K for a decent full set. I know the Pepsi GMTs have shot up a bit recently, but to this extent??


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    Vintage Rolex gmt

    great watch the 1675 a must have for any collection
    I have 2 1960 gilt dial
    And 1978 I do have bracelets
    But like to wear them on NATOís







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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Was the 1675 available with anything other than matt dial? I have one from last year of production.
    The 16750 had the matt dial originally but with the advantage of the quickset date function which as is a Godsend so a great vintage look with a bit of practicality.
    I don't have a 16750 but acquired a 1675 from Verv and they really are lovely pieces but so light in comparison to modern stuff.
    The OP shouldn't jump in but enjoy the search.
    I took the view that it was a safer bet buying from someone who knows considerably more about these things than me.

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    Box and papers 1675 gilts will be £15k plus depending on condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfg60 View Post
    great watch the 1675 a must have for any collection
    I have 2 1960 gilt dial
    And 1978 I do have bracelets
    But like to wear them on NATOís







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    1960 chapter ring Pcg (as long as dial not relumed)hope it's well insured😊

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    I was very tempted with this 16750 coke - I think it was from 1989. Loved the open 6 & 9 and the satin dial. I spent ages trying to find out about the dial (being neither gloss or matte) but gave up in the end and it has since sold. I still kick myself but I couldn't bring myself to part with the money without being able to authenticate it!

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    I was in a similar position a few years back and found the following links useful.............

    1675 history and dial information
    http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/149110...ctoral-part-1/

    Fake buckle.
    http://watch-fever.blogspot.co.uk/20...-and-fake.html

    Fake clasps and bracelets.
    http://rolexforums.com/showthread.ph...ht=small+crown

    Hannes Oyster world.
    http://www.oysterworld.de/

    General 1675 history.
    http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16710.html

    Bracelets.
    http://www.oysterinfo.de/en/detailin...mern/index.php

    Bezel inserts.
    http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=155711
    http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=49732

    Bezel backs red/blue.
    http://omegaforums.net/threads/rolex...ue-back.19710/

    And my research and patience led me to this.........................




    Good luck with your search.
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    Think most people have covered the sources and shown some lovely examples

    My only advice is to take your time. Yes they appear to have shot up in price but for me the journey is part of the fun. Box n papers is gonna make it more expensive for sure but that's your call if that's important. Bracelet is again your call - personally I an not a fan if jubilee but just my view

    Happy searching and keep patient

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    Mike Wood has a rather tasty Gilt full set:

    http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
    That is a very lovely piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toptime View Post
    I was very tempted with this 16750 coke - I think it was from 1989. Loved the open 6 & 9 and the satin dial. I spent ages trying to find out about the dial (being neither gloss or matte) but gave up in the end and it has since sold. I still kick myself but I couldn't bring myself to part with the money without being able to authenticate it!
    Gmt2 looks like a late 16760 last of or early 16710

    Wouldn't have been 16750 as it's a bit too late and dial says gmt2
    Great looking thing. Shoulda bought it. The 16760 dials matted out over the yrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanski View Post
    Gmt2 looks like a late 16760 last of or early 16710

    Wouldn't have been 16750 as it's a bit too late and dial says gmt2
    Great looking thing. Shoulda bought it. The 16760 dials matted out over the yrs
    Yes you are right, it was a 16710. The dial looked great!

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    Mike Woods is a beauty but this is better, same age as Mikes but hardly ever worn and comes on the original very rare 6636 rivet bracelet which looks as new. Took me ages to realise the bezel auto lock still worked as the bezel wouldnt rotate, never seen this before. These are rocketing in price so the best thing to do if you find a good one, buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdog View Post
    Mike Woods is a beauty but this is better, same age as Mikes but hardly ever worn and comes on the original very rare 6636 rivet bracelet which looks as new. Took me ages to realise the bezel auto lock still worked as the bezel wouldnt rotate, never seen this before. These are rocketing in price so the best thing to do if you find a good one, buy it.
    Bought this from Ally Mid last year, no box or papers and is a serial number 44 - replacement case, though has Rolex service documentation from 2004.
    It IMHO is a beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokbok View Post
    No as 16750 came after 1675 and was matt Dial too, but think they transitioned to gloss dial white gold markers on the 16750 so had both matt and gloss

    Quite correct. Early 16750 were matt (approx first 3 years - 1979 - 1982/3) then came the gloss dial.

    The 16750 was the transition model (with quickset date), and was replaced by the 16700.

    These are known as GMT's (Pepsi's) and should not be confused with the GMT 2 (Cokes). Both models were also available with all black Bezels which I suppose makes them Guinness

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    I absolutely adore these vintage GMTís. I couldnít stretch so the next best was a last of the T<25ís which should age nicely as the years roll on.

    Had mine out in the wild today.



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    I too love these but it’s a minefield and prices are shooting up! I just played it safe and went with the BLNR in the end. Because of the pitfalls and costs of vintage my perfect watch would be the BLRO in steel and therefore actually affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokbok View Post
    No as 16750 came after 1675 and was matt Dial too, but think they transitioned to gloss dial white gold markers on the 16750 so had both matt and gloss
    Thanks.

    I see 'gilt dial' mentioned, and have just done a search for information - but all the sites I have checked, assume you know what it is!

    Is it a dial where the lume is on top of gilt, with a tiny ring of the gilt showing? (All I can see from web photos).

    I have a late 1675 (1980) which I would say has only had one polish, service hands and a service bezel - by Rolex several years ago.

    (Oh! and a new bracelet for the princely sum of .......... £17. From the fairly recent past, when Rolex didn't make every penny out of a service/repair. Think the bracelet retailed at £300 at the time)

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    Gilt dials are the first GMT and Subs where the dial is a glossy black but with gold printing, the first ones in late 50's had a gold outer chapter ring, later versions to mid 1960's dropped the ring for individual minute markers. From 1966 they transitioned to Matt dials with white printing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluetinfloor View Post
    Gilt dials are the first GMT and Subs where the dial is a glossy black but with gold printing, the first ones in late 50's had a gold outer chapter ring, later versions to mid 1960's dropped the ring for individual minute markers. From 1966 they transitioned to Matt dials with white printing.
    Ah-hah! Thanks for that

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    So where is the value for a 1972 1675 with full box and papers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooshabak View Post
    So where is the value for a 1972 1675 with full box and papers
    Pop up a picture and I am sure some opinions will be offered !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluetinfloor View Post
    Pop up a picture and I am sure some opinions will be offered !
    Pictures popped




    Try again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooshabak View Post
    Pictures popped
    Where

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
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    Does the watch have the Rolex certificate from new? As I don't see it

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    Some beautiful watches in here. Shame these are so expensive now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokbok View Post
    Does the watch have the Rolex certificate from new? As I don't see it

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    At that age might be within the booklet - can't quite remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluetinfloor View Post
    At that age might be within the booklet - can't quite remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooshabak View Post
    Winner box and papers fullset as they

    Mine is 1978 from memory does not have papers but a pile of service docs plus letters from Mr Hudson as he wore it for week to check time keeping years ago


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    3k all day long


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    Remember my mate buying a GMT Pepsi in the early 80's for something like £650 new! he offered it to me for £400 a year later but declined as just couldn't justify spending that sum on a watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzinc View Post
    Remember my mate buying a GMT Pepsi in the early 80's for something like £650 new! he offered it to me for £400 a year later but declined as just couldn't justify spending that sum on a watch!
    Mine was approx £550 in UK in 1980 (I paid a massive £208 tax-free, with a further £18 or so -in duty).

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