2021 America's Cup

**Saint-Just** · 17th December 2020, 12:42

Originally Posted by PickleB

Apparently not...link:

I was teasing a bit.
But while he says other teams have had issues, the fact is that the 3 other boats managed to race. He may be frustrated but it doesn't come out well. More like, winging (pom).

**PickleB** · 17th December 2020, 13:04

Originally Posted by Saint-Just

I was teasing a bit.
But while he says other teams have had issues, the fact is that the 3 other boats managed to race. He may be frustrated but it doesn't come out well. More like, winging (pom).

I think you could expect the same from any team with issues not of their own making. How it is perceived depends upon the observer. Did you catch this exchange:

Peter Burling of Emirates Team New Zealand addressed Ainslie, saying: “There’s a feeling that we’re somehow withholding information, but if you need to know anything just sing out.”

Ainslie shot back: “Can you send us the software of how it’s designed and we can work out how it works.”

Should we call them cocky and whinging, respectively?

**Saint-Just** · 17th December 2020, 13:17

Originally Posted by PickleB

I think you could expect the same from any team with issues not of their own making. How it is perceived depends upon the observer. Did you catch this exchange:

Peter Burling of Emirates Team New Zealand addressed Ainslie, saying: “There’s a feeling that we’re somehow withholding information, but if you need to know anything just sing out.”

Ainslie shot back: “Can you send us the software of how it’s designed and we can work out how it works.”

Should we call them cocky and whinging, respectively?

Probably, yes. But if it's a software issue you know very well that even if your business 's very survival was on the line, you could only get a developer/engineer to help you, the company will not just give you the code.

**Montello** · 19th December 2020, 10:40

Originally Posted by PickleB

I hoping so too, or propaganda or simply bitching about something different / new...but it could be true. Someone has to be bottom of the heap as that's what racing is about. Any rumours about the others?

Looks like the pre-event views were spot on.

Unfortunately looks like Ineos and SBA have a mountain to climb.

**PickleB** · 19th December 2020, 11:04

Originally Posted by Montello

Word is that Ineos is a dog and the team is falling apart as the blame gets kicked around ...

Originally Posted by Montello

Kiwis are red hot as expected. Prada best of the challengers.

Won’t be long until we see some proper racing.

Regrettably it does look like the Ineos boat isn't going to get anywhere near the opposition. It's fast enough once on the foil but has issues getting up out of the water and performing turns. I'd like to think they'll improve but cannot envisage it being enough to make them truly competitive. Oh well...

Even TNZ has had the odd issue to give a hope that either Prada or the US will be able to give them a race in AC36 but they'll need to improve. Let's hope that the Prada Cup gives them that chance.

**Montello** · 19th December 2020, 11:18

Originally Posted by PickleB

Regrettably it does look like the Ineos boat isn't going to get anywhere near the opposition. It's fast enough once on the foil but has issues getting up out of the water and performing turns. I'd like to think they'll improve but cannot envisage it being enough to make them truly competitive. Oh well...

Even TNZ has had the odd issue to give a hope that either Prada or the US will be able to give them a race in AC36 but they'll need to improve. Let's hope that the Prada Cup gives them that chance.

It’s sad to watch. I hope they can close the gap ASAP.

A lot to do ...

**PickleB** · 19th December 2020, 12:06

Originally Posted by Montello

It’s sad to watch. I hope they can close the gap ASAP.

A lot to do ...

Too true...https://youtu.be/LPknuaDSrhI?t=294

**Saint-Just** · 19th December 2020, 12:24

Are they racing with Britannia or with Britannia II?

**Montello** · 19th December 2020, 12:39

Originally Posted by Saint-Just

Are they racing with Britannia or with Britannia II?

Everyone is on v2 boats.

**Saint-Just** · 19th December 2020, 12:40

Originally Posted by Montello

Everyone is on v2 boats.

Thank you. I thought so but on a close up the name was Britannia and I thought the tradition was to never give the same name to 2 boats

**PickleB** · 20th December 2020, 04:18

First race of the day gets shortened from 6 legs to 4 because of lack of wind. Ineos are lapped but TNZ can't reach the finish in time as they too are now in displacement mode. The race is abandoned and will be re-run. One way to look at it is that Ineos get another bite at the cherry. The other is that they can be humiliated all over again. Heaven knows what the spectators make of it.

Twitter link

Update And that was it. No races completed and racing over for 2020. Time to reset for 15 January.

**Montello** · 20th December 2020, 10:31

Originally Posted by PickleB

First race of the day gets shortened from 6 legs to 4 because of lack of wind. Ineos are lapped but TNZ can't reach the finish in time as they too are now in displacement mode. The race is abandoned and will be re-run. One way to look at it is that Ineos get another bite at the cherry. The other is that they can be humiliated all over again. Heaven knows what the spectators make of it.

Twitter link

Update And that was it. No races completed and racing over for 2020. Time to reset for 15 January.

Grim, they have 25 days to the Parada Cup starts ... a lot to do.

I can’t fathom how they can be so far off the pace, it’s not like they have had any budget limits.

**Mr Pointy** · 20th December 2020, 13:09

Abysmal performance by Ineos. The biggest issue is likley to be they've used up all of their allocation of six foil designs so there's nothing they can do to change them.

**Montello** · 20th December 2020, 14:44

Originally Posted by Mr Pointy

Abysmal performance by Ineos. The biggest issue is likley to be they've used up all of their allocation of six foil designs so there's nothing they can do to change them.

Yep, other teams have foil packages left but Ineos are all done so they are in a big hole.

**Ginpopy** · 20th December 2020, 15:20

These boats are so fast! Incredible speed

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**Montello** · 20th December 2020, 21:25

Originally Posted by Ginpopy

These boats are so fast! Incredible speed

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They must be epic, the pace downwind in a breeze is incredible

This image is me sailing the Vampyre at perhaps 25 knots, cant imaging almost doubling that.

**PickleB** · 8th January 2021, 00:05

Another week and it will be time for the Prada Cup. See PC pairings.

**Montello** · 8th January 2021, 00:17

Originally Posted by PickleB

Another week and it will be time for the Prada Cup. See PC pairings.

I hope SBA and the team have pulled the rabbit out of the hat otherwise it’s going to be painful watching.

**PickleB** · 8th January 2021, 00:20

Originally Posted by Montello

I hope SBA and the team have pulled the rabbit out of the hat otherwise it’s going to be painful watching.

You and me both.

**Montello** · 11th January 2021, 10:18

Word is Ineos have made huge gains.

ETNZ capsize in practice race?

**PickleB** · 11th January 2021, 11:36

Originally Posted by Montello

Word is Ineos have made huge gains.

ETNZ capsize in practice race?

**Montello** · 11th January 2021, 11:47

Word is they had some sort of technical failure and laid it down deliberately to limit damage ...

**PickleB** · 11th January 2021, 12:02

Originally Posted by Montello

Word is they had some sort of technical failure and laid it down deliberately to limit damage ...

Whatever happened they seem pretty unphazed by it and were quick to recover.

**Montello** · 11th January 2021, 12:15

Originally Posted by PickleB

Whatever happened they seem pretty unphazed by it and were quick to recover.

Poker faces on ...

**PickleB** · 11th January 2021, 13:16

Has anyone found a reliable source for wind data on the course or nearby, please? I've been looking online and haven't found anything usable as yet.

Monday, the first day of practice racing in the new year, seems to have had stronger winds than those for the Christmas Cup. That may go some way towards Ineos being able to stay on the foil but other than that we'll have to wait to see quite how much they have (or have not) improved.

Update: The best that I have found is Janter Electronics in the Beachlands suburb of Auckland:

www.janter.co.nz/weather/index.htm
https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk/observa...zd9pyyb96sptuh (this site has a useful 'graph' function)

Being at 21 m elevation it will give an idea of the general conditions but there are various islands around the harbour that will affect the wind, hence the organisers have several different areas where they can lay the course according to the conditions on the day.

**Ginpopy** · 11th January 2021, 22:55

Impressive loss of control!

“36th America's Cup Practice Session - Monday 11 January, 2021”

Minute 06:00 in the video: https://youtu.be/flMkrpgqkkI

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**PickleB** · 13th January 2021, 13:53

Have you ever heard of Sean Clarkson?

**PickleB** · 13th January 2021, 14:11

Does anyone know why the practice racing is referred to as 'Rialto', please?

I hadn't heard that before until I started searching to find out if there are any more sessions due before the Prada Cup. Apparently there are not and the news is not all bad for Ineos Team UK (just don't get too excited before the racing gets serious). Furthermore at the starts and when no boat is outright the faster then the racing is getting to be more like traditional match racing. If the winds stick around then it should be something worth watching.

**PickleB** · 13th January 2021, 21:50

ICYMI...the Prada Cup Preview Show on:

**Ginpopy** · 14th January 2021, 22:07

What a beauty! Seems to be in great shape. Super fast!

Who is going to wake up in 5 hours?

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**Montello** · 14th January 2021, 22:16

Originally Posted by Ginpopy

What a beauty! Seems to be in great shape. Super fast!

Who is going to wake up in 5 hours?

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Fingers crossed... but I’ll watch the re run.

**PickleB** · 15th January 2021, 03:42

Originally Posted by Montello

Fingers crossed... but I’ll watch the re run.

Quote from Ineos having finished their first race: "Bloody good effort that chaps."

Enjoy the rerun.

**el marinero** · 15th January 2021, 07:03

What a great couple of races for Britannia. Whatever was wrong with that boat, it's sorted now.
The American commentators were a bit dumbfounded in the first race.

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**33mgb** · 15th January 2021, 09:26

Wow, what a turnaround. Decent wind conditions though so will be interesting to see if INEOS still have issues in lighter breeze. Fingers crossed they don't.

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**Montello** · 15th January 2021, 10:40

Well, that was a very unexpected and welcome turnaround. Go SBA.

**PickleB** · 15th January 2021, 12:03

The next big question: https://youtu.be/VuYgyQDxYvU?t=429.

**Montello** · 15th January 2021, 15:16

Originally Posted by PickleB

The next big question: https://youtu.be/VuYgyQDxYvU?t=429.

Question is what is the watch SBA is wearing on the wrong wrist.

**markc** · 15th January 2021, 15:28

After the earlier races that was blooming fantastic - they hardly put a foot wrong and the Americans and Italians must be wondering what just happened.

Well done to Sir Ben and the team - let's hope they can do it in lighter winds as well.

Mark C

**PickleB** · 16th January 2021, 00:33

Course options with a lighter breeze:

Regatta Director Iain Murray has advised that racing will be held on either Course C of D race areas today.

The breeze is expected to come in later than the 3.12pm start schedule and will be from an average of 230 degrees - or SSW.

That is much the same direction as yesterday, but a lighter breeze is expected. The two weather models used by the Regatta Director show different breeze behaviour - hence the two Course options.

Currently, just before noon, in Auckland the breeze is multi directional and light. However on the west coast at Manukau a breeze is building and is now from 225 degrees averaging 12kts - gusting 17kts.Outside the air temperature is feels hot, which will encourage the cooling breeze from Auckland's West Coast which borders on the Tasman Sea.

Our expectation (maybe not shared by the Regatta Director) is that this breeze will extend across the race area. Racing may not get under way by 3.15pm, but should do after 4.00pm.

Two races are due to be sailed - and if there are delays then the Regatta Director is not allowed to start a race after 6.00pm.

The first race is Luna Rossa (ITA) vs American Magic (USA) starting at 3.15pm NZDT

The second race is American Magic vs INEOS Team UK (GBR) starting at 4.15pm NZDT

...

The second race could well suit Ineos batter as the wind may build up a bit in the extra hour.

Edit and update It's neither C nor D...it's a new course in between the two called C/D.

**PickleB** · 16th January 2021, 03:56

ICYMI...Race Data Dashboard link...with wind speeds from the gate buoys.

Update: Rumour of a big breeze for Sunday. Figure mentioned was 20 kt from the North as opposed to the SW winds of the first two days. That said I cannot see it on any of the mainstream forecasts...so who knows?

**Montello** · 16th January 2021, 13:15

Tense but tedious racing last night, another great win for Team UK.

Could not be better. Barker very down beat.

**PickleB** · 16th January 2021, 15:40

Assuming a team is good enough to win the Prada Challenger Cup, what are the best tactics? Do they want to win the round robins and go straight to the final or would they prefer to come 2nd/3rd and get at least four more races under their belt to practice race strategies?

A purely hypothetical question at this point, but AC racing is known for its complexity.

**Montello** · 16th January 2021, 16:36

Winning the RR gives a window for further development so has to be an advantage.

**PickleB** · 17th January 2021, 06:04

After today's races, this from one of the commentators: "I'm a little gobsmacked, we thought this was going to be dramatic racing but...".

**higham5** · 17th January 2021, 09:26

A chap who lives next door to my mother in law son is in NZ filming this! He is a fully qualified drone pilot but for this race they want water based shots. He travels all over the world filming events but sailing is his preference as he is also a qualified skipper. Living the dream.

I have been following the Vendee through the Sea Wolves you tube channel. Where is the best place to view follow the AC highlights please

Steve

**PickleB** · 17th January 2021, 11:52

Originally Posted by higham5

A chap who lives next door to my mother in law son is in NZ filming this! He is a fully qualified drone pilot but for this race they want water based shots. He travels all over the world filming events but sailing is his preference as he is also a qualified skipper. Living the dream.

I have been following the Vendee through the Sea Wolves you tube channel. Where is the best place to view follow the AC highlights please

Steve

Here you go: www.youtube.com/c/americascup/videos.

**Montello** · 17th January 2021, 12:12

Unbelievable days racing.

Real shame for the USA, I’d hate to be the guy responsible for releasing the runner.

Hard to see the USA recovering from this.

**thieuster** · 17th January 2021, 12:37

It looks that a wind gust got them; according to a Flemish vlog (Clubracer.be), the boat tried to bear away after rounding the portside gate buoy, but the backstay wouldn't adjust (loose), therefore they were unable to ease the mainsail. Note the yellow buoys at the bow. The boat must have scooped up a lot of water (or there's something wrong)

**Ginpopy** · 17th January 2021, 13:08

What a race. It’s getting more and more interesting. Wow

Congrats to team UK!

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**higham5** · 17th January 2021, 13:49

Originally Posted by PickleB

Here you go: www.youtube.com/c/americascup/videos.

Big thanks

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