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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    I have 500usd on Binance in a coin not supported by my hardware wallet. That’s as much as I would ever leave on an exchange.

    Whilst not impacted by Mt Gox myself it is certainly worth bearing in mind.

    I wouldn’t trust a stranger with my pocket wallet, same rules apply with crypto etc
    And I always thought traditional finance was the problem....?

    I don't need to keep my money in a safe, it is in a bank and I sleep well.
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    My pal bought 5 BTC when they were $5k each. He tried for weeks to persuade me to buy some too.

    He sold 1 when it recouped all that he’d put in, and he still has 4 sat in his Binance account.

    I did try to persuade him to put them on a Nano when they were worth $60k each, but he still hasn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    My pal bought 5 BTC when they were $5k each. He tried for weeks to persuade me to buy some too.

    He sold 1 when it recouped all that he’d put in, and he still has 4 sat in his Binance account.

    I did try to persuade him to put them on a Nano when they were worth $60k each, but he still hasn’t.
    Good for him, but nuts leaving them on account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    Good for him, but nuts leaving them on account.
    Having c. £100k on an exchange might seem like a lot, even one like Binance, but is it really? People have far more on defi platforms like Celcius and BlokcFi. Are personal wallets and the acts of moving crypto that much less risky than leaving on an exchange?

    I'm not trying to challenge or anything, just curious on opinions. I have about £10k on binance and figure it's easier just to leave it there. I would like to continue to invest and am tempted by the likes of Celcius, though as I acquire more I know I'll need to be considering security and storage more closely.

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    It was four o'clock in the morning in Texas when Elon Musk tweeted this an hour ago:




    For those not up-to-date, the symbol refers to Cummies, as the coins of the CUMROCKET token are known.


    Result: Cumrocket coins jump by over 300%, to settle at +150% for now.




    I only have one question: WHEN PRISON?
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    Wish he would text me ahead of his tweets.

    Man is an utter criminal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    And I always thought traditional finance was the problem....?

    I don't need to keep my money in a safe, it is in a bank and I sleep well.
    None of them are trustworthy IMO

    Exchanges / banks all controlled by humans at the end of the day.

    What we need is something not under the control of anyone.

    Like a decentralised system.... oh wait!

    (I sleep great too)

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    Short bitcoin at 37,500 from this night. 30 times leverage, up 120% so far.

    Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Short bitcoin at 37,500 from this night. 30 times leverage, up 120% so far.
    Bold move. Good luck.

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    I think Elon is in Miami for the Bitcoin conference this weekend. So maybe 2am rather than 4am.

    He’s still a plank though.

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    I'm hoping for BTC to drop below 35k so I can get back into ARB. Targeting ARB buy price of 100p. Suspect I'll struggle to win my 'ARB at 400p or higher at end June' bet though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    I think Elon is in Miami for the Bitcoin conference this weekend. So maybe 2am rather than 4am.

    He’s still a plank though.
    No he ain't.

    High as a kite in Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm hoping for BTC to drop below 35k so I can get back into ARB. Targeting ARB buy price of 100p. Suspect I'll struggle to win my 'ARB at 400p or higher at end June' bet though!

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    ARB will never reach 400p.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Short bitcoin at 37,500 from this night. 30 times leverage, up 120% so far.

    Nice.
    What was your thinking / trigger to take that position? ... apart from you thought it would drop ... but why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    What was your thinking / trigger to take that position? ... apart from you thought it would drop ... but why?
    We have seen a series of lower highs since the initial selloff, every recovery stopped at a lower level.

    If this pattern was going to hold, it had to turn somewhere below 38/39k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    We have seen a series of lower highs since the initial selloff, every recovery stopped at a lower level.

    If this pattern was going to hold, it had to turn somewhere below 38/39k.
    Technical analysis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    Technical analysis?
    Yes maybe, it's just the definition of a trend.
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    Miami bitcoin conference was all over financial news over the weekend, must have done crypto really good.

    [checks prices]

    Ohh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    I think Elon is in Miami for the Bitcoin conference this weekend. So maybe 2am rather than 4am.

    He’s still a plank though.
    Elon now in hiding post the anonymous release...wonder what happens next!

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    Doubling my short here at $35,820
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Doubling my short here at $35,820
    That was clearly a very average idea.
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    Did you get rekt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Did you get rekt?
    No, still in and it has just dropped $500 so I am back on top.

    It just becomes very volatile when you do 30 times leverage, but it's nice because you do not need to put a lot of collateral and has an automatic and guaranteed stoploss.
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    Taproot upgrade to the underlying way that BTC operates is coming this week.


    Some are speculating that there are many large institutions who have been awaiting this upgrade before buying in as it will radically change the security aspects of BTC adoption which has been one of the biggest barriers to entry so far.


    https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-tap...igital-vs-gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Hilarious.

    Anonymous sounds like an angry crypto investor looking for somebody to blame for their losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    He better renew his Norton subscription ASAP.

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    It is all pretty funny, especially given that the "real" Anonymous group have not claimed that the video is actually theirs. They will have to do so before anyone takes it seriously.


    However, they have been responsible for some pretty impressive hacks/attacks in the past. I'm sure they could cause a lot of trouble for Tesla if they wanted to.


    They love it when Elon pumps BTC, but not so much when he dumps it. Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    It is all pretty funny, especially given that the "real" Anonymous group have not claimed that the video is actually theirs. They will have to do so before anyone takes it seriously.
    Are you saying somebody hacked their Youtube and other social media accounts?
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    Real or not, if it makes Elon shake in his boots a little, I think we can all agree it's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Errrrr, it wasn't posted on the real anonymous account.


    The account in the link above has 172k subscribers and is not affiliated to the real one which has 3.5m subscribers, here.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/AnonymousWorldvoce




    And, that real account, the proper one with 3.5m subscribers have said the video has nothing to do with them. As far as I know, I haven't devoted more than 90 seconds of my life to it since watching the video the other day.
    Ahh, that's news to me. I thought 172k would validate the account.

    Interesting.
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    I did too, but read something about it over the weekend. The account they've used only has 3 or 4 videos on it.


    It's clearly not the same group who have done previous stuff.



    All are probably a bunch of 17 year old kids, so it make little difference I guess.

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    Meanwhile, Micky Saylor is going all-in.

    First, a filing with the SEC describing how BTC-impairments have wiped out almost 80% of the company's equity. What now? Correct, buy more. When in trouble, double.

    So MicroStrategy is at the same time announcing that it is borrowing another $400 Mio to buy more BTC. I haven't seen the prospectus yet, but am very curious to see what sort of disclaimers it will take to get this past the lawyers. Just remember what AMC had to write last week.

    I reiterate my firm belief that MSTR will file for bankruptcy before 2021 is over. Their software-related revenues (= the core business) are quickly approaching zero, they are basically nothing but a highly loeveraged bitcoin ETF (with plenty of air-pocket in the NAV).
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    Made me chuckle.



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    ARB back in a price zone where I'm interested in getting back in, hoping for a quick ride up to 180p and then get out again. What do we thing on ARB at current valuations. Short term bounce up likely?

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    You are not asking me, are you?
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    Bitcoin down because the Feds have recovered the Colonial pipeline ransom. Muh decentralised. Muh legal use cases.

    But a Central American kleptocracy will adopt BTC as legal tender, dream come true because decentralised money will help mankind get rid of oppression. Muh.

    Soon it will be seen for the complete bullshit it is. Going more short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    So MicroStrategy is at the same time announcing that it is borrowing another $400 Mio to buy more BTC.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/micro...123000219.html

    "The notes and the related guarantees will be secured, on a senior secured basis with MicroStrategy’s existing and future senior indebtedness, by security interests on substantially all of MicroStrategy’s and the guarantors’ assets, including any bitcoins or other digital assets acquired on or after the closing of the offering, but excluding MicroStrategy’s existing bitcoins as well as bitcoins and digital assets acquired with the proceeds from existing bitcoins. MicroStrategy’s existing approximately 92,079 bitcoins will be held by a newly formed subsidiary, MacroStrategy LLC."

    Two question which immediately occur to me regarding MacroStrategy:
    - Is this potentially simply another baby step to creating a ready packaged, all set to go standalone (ET) Bitcoin Fund?
    - Am I correct in assuming that MacroStrategy LLC would be required to make separate filings and annual reports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    I haven't seen the prospectus yet...
    I'd be very interested in seeing this too and would be grateful if you could post any links if and when you come across them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/micro...123000219.html

    "The notes and the related guarantees will be secured, on a senior secured basis with MicroStrategy’s existing and future senior indebtedness, by security interests on substantially all of MicroStrategy’s and the guarantors’ assets, including any bitcoins or other digital assets acquired on or after the closing of the offering, but excluding MicroStrategy’s existing bitcoins as well as bitcoins and digital assets acquired with the proceeds from existing bitcoins. MicroStrategy’s existing approximately 92,079 bitcoins will be held by a newly formed subsidiary, MacroStrategy LLC."

    Two question which immediately occur to me regarding MacroStrategy:
    - Is this potentially simply another baby step to creating a ready packaged, all set to go standalone (ET) Bitcoin Fund?
    - Am I correct in assuming that MacroStrategy LLC would be required to make separate filings and annual reports?



    I'd be very interested in seeing this too and would be grateful if you could post any links if and when you come across them.
    Just saw a note from an analyst.

    They are looking to borrow $400 million, which is a little higher than the total cash flow the company has generated during the last five years. And cash flow is falling like a stone, the software business is in fact dead so there will be almost no cash flow going forward. And the amount of impairments they are booking on their bitcoin holdings ($284 million) is in fact more than all of its cumulative earnings during the last ten years.

    This company is bankrupt and their CEO will go to prison.

    Now let's wait until Tesla announce their impairments - oh wait they won't do that until they announce their Q2 results in July (despite the obligation to report such things in ad-hoc).


    *** Just heard MSTR have been teasing this with a 6.25-6.50% cupon - I find that cheap, who in their right mind would lend money against a dying business for 6%??? ****
    Last edited by Raffe; 7th June 2021 at 22:13. Reason: updated cupon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Bitcoin down because the Feds have recovered the Colonial pipeline ransom. Muh decentralised. Muh legal use cases.

    But a Central American kleptocracy will adopt BTC as legal tender, dream come true because decentralised money will help mankind get rid of oppression. Muh.

    Soon it will be seen for the complete bullshit it is. Going more short.
    Down another $1,500 since this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Bitcoin down because the Feds have recovered the Colonial pipeline ransom.
    "It is unclear how exactly the FBI got hold of the hackers’ private key"

    Indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    "It is unclear how exactly the FBI got hold of the hackers’ private key"

    Indeed
    Perhaps they used their secret quantum computer?

    https://www2.deloitte.com/nl/nl/page...lockchain.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    "It is unclear how exactly the FBI got hold of the hackers’ private key"

    Indeed
    I am seriously flabbergasted.

    The Feds can seize money when criminality is involved, that is certainly a good thing? I hear again and again how bitcoin has outgrown its history as the money of choice for criminals and tax cheaters - everybody should be happy that the FBI can track down the recipients of crime proceeds and seize the money? Somehow it appears to me that not everybody is happy and the 'security against government intervention' is still one of the core properties of bitcoin. makes me wonder why, if illegal use is not important? I thought it was about store of value....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
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    Flabbergasted why?

    I just wondered how they got the private keys..

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Flabbergasted why?

    I just wondered how they got the private keys..
    I don't care how they got it but I am pleased that they did and I hope that tax authorities throughout the world are also given the same knowledge.

    I cannot see the logic of allowing people to boast of how much they made on Bitcoin without paying tax because the safe keys make the transactions almost invisible. These same tax dodgers then complain about Amazon and Starbucks etc. It's a shady business all round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Flabbergasted why?

    I just wondered how they got the private keys..
    Flabbergasted because this little story cost bitcoin $4k.

    Appears that the secrecy properties do stand for a non-trivial part of the value of our favourite cryptocoin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    I don't care how they got it but I am pleased that they did and I hope that tax authorities throughout the world are also given the same knowledge.

    I cannot see the logic of allowing people to boast of how much they made on Bitcoin without paying tax because the safe keys make the transactions almost invisible. These same tax dodgers then complain about Amazon and Starbucks etc. It's a shady business all round.
    I can't say I'm a fan of the 'end justifies the means' argument, but I agree with you on the tax point, everyone should pay the tax they owe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Flabbergasted because this little story cost bitcoin $4k.

    Appears that the secrecy properties do stand for a non-trivial part of the value of our favourite cryptocoin?
    It's certainly a warning to protect your private keys, in case of hacking etc

    The blockchain remains as secure as it was last week though

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    I'd say 10-figure Tether print imminent, because demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post



    I'd say 10-figure Tether print imminent, because demand.
    How do they do that without deposits ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    *** Just heard MSTR have been teasing this with a 6.25-6.50% cupon - I find that cheap, who in their right mind would lend money against a dying business for 6%??? ****
    A quick and cursory google would seem to suggest that the current average for high yield junk bonds is ~4%. Have I got that right?

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