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    Quote Originally Posted by RichUK View Post
    We've been talking to Crown Pavilions about adding a garden room to the side of our lounge. Slightly different in that we want to adjoin it to the house, but well then essentially create a den / cigar room for me to use (I don't smoke cigars in the house at the moment).

    We got some great designs from them, but the prices are pretty steep, so am thinking of getting our local builder to do it out of SIPS instead.
    Interesting. Out of SIPS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yumma View Post
    Just a couple of points you mention which we've done with ours.
    Instead of running Cat 5 we've gone down the route of internet via mains on the recommendation of my Networking and Communications man. You plug a dLAN plug in inside the house and connect this to your modem via an Ethernet cable, this then transmits the interweb through your mains power distribution, you plug another dLAN plug in inside the Summer House/Studio/Office and et voila the Internet is connected (I'm not very technical but it works well and seems pretty clever!).

    We've used a couple of 400 Watt Ceramic panel heaters 600x600mm, combined with 4" Celotex insulation all round (floor, walls and Roof) it seems to keep the place warm, as a back up we had a Creda air curtain installed above the main double doors to boost heat and prevent heat loss when clients are coming/going.

    We clad ours in Barn boards and painted it with barn paint. I think going dark and traditional makes it look classy but also makes it look less in your face, which considering its the full width of our garden we didn't want it too imposing.

    Hope this helps.
    Thank you, very helpful and sounds ideal. Do you have any photos and who did it for you please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yumma View Post
    We've just had a Pilates Studio built at home, initially we looked at Scandinavian cabins/summer houses off the shelf, but after chatting to our builder and providing him a design he made it from scratch and it was no more expensive than a kit, the wall/joist thicknesses are much more substantial too. We are really pleased with our Studio, but it could also be a home office. Good luck.

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    That looks really very impressive! Roughly how much did that cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindforge View Post
    That looks really very impressive! Roughly how much did that cost?
    Post 42 has the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    Post 42 has the cost.

    Cheers

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    Thank you, just catching up after a busy day at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindforge View Post
    Interesting. Out of SIPS?
    I asked them of they used SIPs and they said no. However, we can build out of SIPS quicker, with a degree of flexibility over design and at a cheaper cost so that I can buy my pool table sooner!

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    What is SIPS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    What is SIPS?

    http://www.sips.org/about/what-are-sips

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    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F182416134619

    Found this retailer who sells them a few others on eBay too . I'm considering use them when I build my studio in a few years .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    Cheers for that.

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    I found the thread about tax & sheds: it wasn't as exciting as I remebered:

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1656106

    See question 62 - I think they had backpedalled from the original words:

    http://www.boothsgardenstudios.co.uk./faqs#18

    Some more threads that may be of interest:

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1660841
    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1655937
    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1633199

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    Interesting thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yumma View Post
    We've just had a Pilates Studio built at home, initially we looked at Scandinavian cabins/summer houses off the shelf, but after chatting to our builder and providing him a design he made it from scratch and it was no more expensive than a kit, the wall/joist thicknesses are much more substantial too. We are really pleased with our Studio, but it could also be a home office. Good luck.

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    Just realised that’s a mirror - thought you’d built a massive gym!

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    Interesting thread as pondering a garden office/workshop. My wife makes curtains and blinds from home and currently uses our dining room. She’s running out of space now due to materials stock. Our main concern is permissions. The house is a grade 2 listed and is in a conservation area. I hear people say you don’t need planning permission. I’ve not yet researched this, but I suspect we will need listed building consent as a listing covers the “curtilage” as well as the house. This concern and the time to get into this has held us back.

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    Just bumping this thread as my wife being pregnant has upped the time line for a garden office somewhat. Went to see Smart Garden Offices in Suffolk, they quoted £20k for a 4.2 by 3.2m garden office! Made me think essentially it's just a shed with insulation and plasterboard internally, especially as I'd have to get an electrician to connect it up and someone to prepare the site and build the base.

    So a couple of options, buy a shed for 4 to 5k and have a builder add insulation and decorate internally, like this,
    http://fencingcentre.co.uk/penthouse...-55m-x-40m.asp

    Or go for a Dunster House garden office which is essentially that for 7k and have a builder build a concrete base and install it which would hopefully come to less than the 4k Dunster want for installation. Apparently if you don't pay for installation they just dump it all at the curb side, so would have to try to squeeze it into the garage.
    This is the one I'm considering,
    https://dunsterhouse.co.uk/alexander...-w4-4m-x-d3-3m

    I do think I prefer the plasterboard look to log cabin. here's a log cabin option, but you have to add quite a lot of extras yourself,

    https://www.tuin.co.uk/Arne-Log-Cabin-4.5x3.5m.html

    I'd appreciate some advice as having trouble deciding! Also if anyone can recommend a builder with reach of north London, that would be great. Thanks.

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    Have a look at sips panels very cost effective way to build this type of thing good thermal value too.. I think there are companies offering bespoke service online which may be cheaper? You will still need a concrete base etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter franks View Post
    Have a look at sips panels very cost effective way to build this type of thing good thermal value too.. I think there are companies offering bespoke service online which may be cheaper? You will still need a concrete base etc.

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    Interesting. I'd need someone to build it for me so that could be an option.

    Yup I'm factoring in the base.

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    I've built a couple garden buildings in the basic stick build fashion rather than SIPS, which is essentially how they build in North America and Australia. Typically the cheapest type of usable foundation are the concrete piers - so you basically buy these cardboard forms from a postage supplier and make them that way.

    I did a building around the size you're looking for and fully insulated and plasterboarded, EDPM roof and basic UPVC double doors came to about £12-14k off the top of my head - including the foundation. I think that included putting in a sub panel and hooking it up but not running the cable. This very much isn't a shed with added insulation, it's a proper stick built building with 4x2 walls, 18mm osb sheathing, all kinds of high tech membranes, celotex in the floor and ceilings with rockwool in the walls, redwood shiplap cladding.

    Not sure where you are located but if you're anywhere near Dorset let me know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejtrent View Post
    I've built a couple garden buildings in the basic stick build fashion rather than SIPS, which is essentially how they build in North America and Australia. Typically the cheapest type of usable foundation are the concrete piers - so you basically buy these cardboard forms from a postage supplier and make them that way.

    I did a building around the size you're looking for and fully insulated and plasterboarded, EDPM roof and basic UPVC double doors came to about £12-14k off the top of my head - including the foundation. I think that included putting in a sub panel and hooking it up but not running the cable. This very much isn't a shed with added insulation, it's a proper stick built building with 4x2 walls, 18mm osb sheathing, all kinds of high tech membranes, celotex in the floor and ceilings with rockwool in the walls, redwood shiplap cladding.

    Not sure where you are located but if you're anywhere near Dorset let me know..
    Any photos? That sounds pretty amazing but I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it. I'm also interested in decent sound quality inside (not sound proofing) so the chance to do my own sound insulation would be good. I'm based in London I'm afraid....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindforge View Post
    Any photos? That sounds pretty amazing but I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it. I'm also interested in decent sound quality inside (not sound proofing) so the chance to do my own sound insulation would be good. I'm based in London I'm afraid....
    I'll try and dig some out! My main work is in furniture and the like (http://etrentmaker.com) but I do some carpentry on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejtrent View Post
    I'll try and dig some out! My main work is in furniture and the like (http://etrentmaker.com) but I do some carpentry on the side.
    Ah well I don't need to feel bad about my lack of skills then given the high quality of craftsmanship apparent on your website!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindforge View Post
    Ah well I don't need to feel bad about my lack of skills then given the high quality of craftsmanship apparent on your website!
    When you're self employed you've always gotta hustle hahah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejtrent View Post
    When you're self employed you've always gotta hustle hahah!
    Tell me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter franks View Post
    Have a look at sips panels very cost effective way to build this type of thing good thermal value too.. I think there are companies offering bespoke service online which may be cheaper? You will still need a concrete base etc.

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    We have a 3.5m x 3m office in the garden and have a ProBase plastic grid and gravel base which was considerably lower cost and effort than having a concrete base so it well worth considering. It took half a day to flatten the soil, install the grid and fill it with gravel (about 2 tonnes in total with a decorative edging and an area for deck-chairs outside). Concrete is obviously right for some projects but it's definitely not the only option for many.

    Local joiner built ours as a bespoke design and it was 1/5th of the price of the quote from a garden office supplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astonandy View Post
    We have a 3.5m x 3m office in the garden and have a ProBase plastic grid and gravel base which was considerably lower cost and effort than having a concrete base so it well worth considering. It took half a day to flatten the soil, install the grid and fill it with gravel (about 2 tonnes in total with a decorative edging and an area for deck-chairs outside). Concrete is obviously right for some projects but it's definitely not the only option for many.

    Local joiner built ours as a bespoke design and it was 1/5th of the price of the quote from a garden office supplier.
    That's great. Where are you based and go you have any photos? How much was it if you don't mind my asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindforge View Post
    That's great. Where are you based and go you have any photos? How much was it if you don't mind my asking?
    I'm over in Cheshire and our joiner is in the Shropshire borders. I think we're a fair distance away although I know he does do work in a fairly large radius 100+ miles, I don't think London is necessarily his "patch". But maybe? Anyway, how we found him is quite interesting. We actually saw some work at a craft fair where he was showing outdoor dog kennels, rabbit hutches and chicken runs. He said he also did chicken coups which got me thinking that something bigger would be entirely possible. He had done a few sheds and summerhouses so we worked on a specification and agreed that it was deliverable. It's fully insulated with wool insulation and fully lined with double doors and windows at the front and a side window with an opening top section. Electrics were installed afterwards by our electrician three double plugs with USB slots and we have strong wifi so didn't need boosters.

    Costs:
    Office - £1900
    Base plastic grid - £160
    Gravel - £80 (this is actually for twice the area of the office as we have a side area for a hammock/deck-chairs
    Electrics - £320 including 30m of armoured cable and outlets
    PIRs and heavy-duty security bar - £70

    It has a more rural-aesthetic than might be required by other people - the exterior planking is quite rough cut - but as we live on the edge of town and border the country in a listed Coach House it looks entirely appropriate in its setting. It came pre-stained but we painted it again inside and out and I fitted carpet - £25 from eBay). It's transformed our work as my wife's a writer and we both work at home much of the time so share the space (it's cluttered but fantastically efficient!)


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    Earlier in the year I decided to go freelance. Working from home with two kids buzzing around wasn't an option so I decided to design and build a space for me to work from. My garden isn't big enough to house a suitable office but for me to operate my design business from, but fortunately I have a stake in another business based on a farm, which I'm able to rent some space from, in their orchid.

    That business supplies GRP to the roofing trade so I wanted to use Fibreglass as much as possible, and the utilise the services of the guys on site. A fabricator, joiner and GRP roofing specialists. I opted to make the initial structure from Steel so the finished office could be transported anywhere.

    It's not quite finished, but getting closer now. Rooflight, second fix electrics and units to fit. It's heading towards a budget of £15k all complete which is a little more than I'd hoped but ultimately it'll be a nice asset for the business and should be completed without having to borrow any cash.

    It's a few meters from a toilet block so doesn't require plumbing, I'll probably fit an aircon unit, a deck and hand rail at the front. Here's where it is to date...

















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    First fix electrics are now in and it's getting plastered.


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    That's is seriously impressive! Will be a great space to work in. Lots of light too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    Earlier in the year I decided to go freelance. Working from home with two kids buzzing around wasn't an option so I decided to design and build a space for me to work from. My garden isn't big enough to house a suitable office but for me to operate my design business from, but fortunately I have a stake in another business based on a farm, which I'm able to rent some space from, in their orchid.

    That business supplies GRP to the roofing trade so I wanted to use Fibreglass as much as possible, and the utilise the services of the guys on site. A fabricator, joiner and GRP roofing specialists. I opted to make the initial structure from Steel so the finished office could be transported anywhere.

    It's not quite finished, but getting closer now. Rooflight, second fix electrics and units to fit. It's heading towards a budget of £15k all complete which is a little more than I'd hoped but ultimately it'll be a nice asset for the business and should be completed without having to borrow any cash.

    It's a few meters from a toilet block so doesn't require plumbing, I'll probably fit an aircon unit, a deck and hand rail at the front. Here's where it is to date...




















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    First fix electrics are now in and it's getting plastered.

    The first mock ups load up but the other pics in process don't for me- anyone else?

    Thanks

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    Narrowing my options down now, what would people choose, between a building built with SIPs panels and a traditional wood building built by a joiner? SIPs seem more high tech but are there perhaps queries over their longevity? Wood built probably more attractive and in keeping with the surroundings. I'm looking at a similar price for the two.

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    We went wood but we wanted something low cost in the first instance that we could upgrade later once we knew it worked for us. We also live in a listed building and felt that a cottage garden building had to look "appropriate" (however one defines that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by astonandy View Post
    We went wood but we wanted something low cost in the first instance that we could upgrade later once we knew it worked for us. We also live in a listed building and felt that a cottage garden building had to look "appropriate" (however one defines that).
    True, I agree that a wooden structure looks more traditional and so would fit with the surroundings of my house too.

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    Finally got my build finished.

    Features:
    •*Ikea furniture
    • Howden's grey composite decking at the front
    • B&Q light oak laminate flooring



    Still need: Screen for back wall, better heating, wall clock, frames and coat hooks

    Approx cost £15,000

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    Looks very impressive and a pleasant place to work I'm sure.

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