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    My review of EBEL BTR Chronograph

    Enjoy!

    And let me know if you find any mistakes. Cheers.

    https://luxurywatches635.wordpress.c...r-chronograph/

    Last edited by JPE; 20th September 2019 at 09:47.

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    Nice review. I found the history of the movement very interesting:

    The first 1911 chronographs used Zenith El Primero cal 400 (Ebel cal 134), which oscillated at 36.000 bauds per hour. Rolex used the same movement in Daytona but downgraded the bph to 28.800. Later models (just like BTR) used the Ebel caliber 137.

    The movement started life as a Lemania 1340 (aka Omega 1040), which descends to some extent from the Lemania 1873 (aka Omega 1861). They are lever-action chronographs that nevertheless have very smooth pusher action and operation. Breguet uses the same movement, finished to about the same level, in the Type XX and XXI, with the additional of a flyback function. When Ebel started developing their version of this movement, they bought exclusive rights to the movement design from Lemania, with rights given to Ulysse Nardin for the base plate (which UN used in their calendar watches) and to Breguet for use in the Type XX.

    Ebel then redesigned the winding mechanism and made a few other changes. They started the project in 1991, and the first watches with the new caliber 137 came out in 1995. Every single Ebel Caliber 137, 139, 240, and 288, which all use the same base, was chronometer-certified. Ebel contracted with Lemania (at first) and then with Dubois-Depraz to build about 40 parts that Ebel could not themselves make.

    When MGI gave up on the BTR, they were struggling to make enough of the movements to cover fixed costs without raising prices higher than they thought they could sell. They ended production and sold the rights, tooling and specialized staff to Ulysse Nardin in April 2012. The movement lives on in Breguets as the 584 and in Ulysse Nardin watches as the UN152.

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    Thanks Tiny.

    Most of that good information came from Rick Denney.

    Here's the high beat Ebel El Primero chronograph in action.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sy5hv0rM7M

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    Your passionate enthusiasm for these watches certainly shines through!

    What about mentioning the neat detail of the chrono seconds register being larger than the other two? This strikes me as a worthwhile trading of symmetry for practicality, and gives the dial a certain je-ne-sais-quoi, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizzio View Post
    Your passionate enthusiasm for these watches certainly shines through!

    What about mentioning the neat detail of the chrono seconds register being larger than the other two? This strikes me as a worthwhile trading of symmetry for practicality, and gives the dial a certain je-ne-sais-quoi, too.
    Thanks Rizzio. Good idea. Never thought about it.

    Cheers.

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    Just a thought. It would also look good on blue leather since it would compliment the blued hands, and blue goes well with silver.

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    Agree with Tiny regarding the strap.
    Another well written review.
    It is easy to see and appreciate your enthusiasm for the watch.
    As a fan and an owner, I think it is perfectly fine to let that enthusiasm be apparent.
    If you want your review to be used as reference material in the days to come ( and it should given the lengths you have gone to research it), I would recommend you reign in the enthusiasm just a tad bit.
    Just my opinion.
    Regardless, a lovely watch and a well written piece.
    BTW, what was the RRP on these?
    You mention 7000 but was it for this particular model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAJEN View Post
    Agree with Tiny regarding the strap.
    Another well written review.
    It is easy to see and appreciate your enthusiasm for the watch.
    As a fan and an owner, I think it is perfectly fine to let that enthusiasm be apparent.
    If you want your review to be used as reference material in the days to come ( and it should given the lengths you have gone to research it), I would recommend you reign in the enthusiasm just a tad bit.
    Just my opinion.
    Regardless, a lovely watch and a well written piece.
    BTW, what was the RRP on these?
    You mention 7000 but was it for this particular model?
    Thanks man.

    Yeah I get carried away easily sometimes. :D But these are just fun pieces, not competing with professional reviews in any shape or form.

    And I'm honestly very impressed of this watch. And it's not like I haven't seen (or owned) other nice watches. I'm amazed that the BTR never got the recognition more than it did.

    They stopped producing this model back in 2012. Some sell as new but in reality they have been sitting for years. These are often offered in ridiculous discounts.

    I've seen retail prices from $7350 to €5150. I don't know which is the last known official one.
    http://www.thewatchquote.com/Ebel-1215620-PdN.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    Just a thought. It would also look good on blue leather since it would compliment the blued hands, and blue goes well with silver.
    Yeah it could be. Brown strap doesn't look too shabby on that Perpetual Calendar version, either.

    Personally I think the black dial versions are even nicer with the strap.




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    New wrist shots.

    Turquoise color comes from the AR... reflecting from the polished dial markers.








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    I was at Fellows when they had an Ebel 1911 up at auction. I didn't have any spare funds to bid but when I tried it on I was very, very impressed. Amazing bracelet quality, great case work and a very solid tough watch easily as good as any Breitling I've tried on.
    I presume Ebel weren't able to shift their dainty ladies Watch image and so floundered against Breitling, Omega and possibly Tag.
    It certainly wasn't because of the quality of the Watch.
    If spare funds permit I'll definitely bid on the next one that comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark lowman View Post
    I was at Fellows when they had an Ebel 1911 up at auction. I didn't have any spare funds to bid but when I tried it on I was very, very impressed. Amazing bracelet quality, great case work and a very solid tough watch easily as good as any Breitling I've tried on.
    I presume Ebel weren't able to shift their dainty ladies Watch image and so floundered against Breitling, Omega and possibly Tag.
    It certainly wasn't because of the quality of the Watch.
    If spare funds permit I'll definitely bid on the next one that comes along.
    Yeah the Ebel quality and finish is top notch. But the current gents' lineup isn't that great design wise, imho. BTR was discontinued in 2012.

    Discovery and BTR are the models to get. And of course the classic "Miami Vice" El Primero version if you can live with a 39mm watch... that's rather small for today's standards.

    What looked good in the eighties don't necessarily work now. Haha.


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    Nice write up. The last known retail price on your watch was £3600 before it was discontinued. Discount was readily available towards end of its life. There is no doubt about its built quality, having owned one or two myself. I like the perpetual calendar chronograph but it is rare and prohibitively expensive in its day. It was £26000 in RG, considerably more than similar offering from IWC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim2012 View Post
    Nice write up. The last known retail price on your watch was £3600 before it was discontinued. Discount was readily available towards end of its life. There is no doubt about its built quality, having owned one or two myself. I like the perpetual calendar chronograph but it is rare and prohibitively expensive in its day. It was £26000 in RG, considerably more than similar offering from IWC.
    Wow... the retail price went that low. It had something to do with ending the production. Dealers wanted to get rid of them.

    Strange how the BTR never reached any success. What there is not to like? Maybe you guys are right... Ebel is too much connected to women's fashion models in people's minds... a bit like Cartier in that sense. Their gents' line is not so well known and the brand doesn't have similar "mass appeal" as say, Breitling.

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    Found a video review of the black dial version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPydqgjux0

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