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    Sales corner restrictions

    I like rules and I understand them. Just a polite question tho... why the difference between being able to have access to viewing sales corner and being able to post on it. Having a lot of fun on here but got a couple to move on and really don't want to use fleabay for them. Quite unusual watches (I'll resist the temptation of posting a pic here for fear of coming across as trying to back door advertise). Just looking for your thoughts


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    Because it's safer for the community to sell to a newbie than to buy from one. Spending more time here let's everyone get to know each other so you're less likely to be a scammer trying it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Because it's safer for the community to sell to a newbie than to buy from one. Spending more time here let's everyone get to know each other so you're less likely to be a scammer trying it on.
    Nailed it in one. Would you want to buy from someone who has just joined the forum with very little protection? It also stops people from joining to sell.

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    Your reasons for not wanting to use eBay probably go some way to explaining why the rules exist here and why they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Because it's safer for the community to sell to a newbie than to buy from one. Spending more time here let's everyone get to know each other so you're less likely to be a scammer trying it on.
    I think that covered it completely. Its unlike scammers to have the staying power for 250+posts as they are after a quick buck. Some on here are +2000 posts which although is not waterproof-it provides some reassurance to their interest in the site.

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    "Patience" my friend was not only a song played by Guns and Roses. By this methode u proof as a new member watches ars your concern and not selling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPCain86 View Post
    Nailed it in one. Would you want to buy from someone who has just joined the forum with very little protection? It also stops people from joining to sell.
    I understand. PayPal does however provide protection. I've not joined to sell particularly, but rather to join the community. Been on WUS for years but it's global and I always felt it was a little impersonal and the idea of a uk forum always appealed so was pretty happy when a friend mentioned tzuk. As for joining to sell - well a watch community by its nature buys and sells so yes it will be a part of the experience or a sales corner wouldn't exist in the first place, and as a serial flipper (always lusting after some new time piece or other) buying and selling is both unavoidable and part of the fun. I think the phrase is the thrill is often in the hunt. Anyway thanks for your answers, I guess I understand.


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    Something else questionable is admiring a sales forum and then attacking the conditions which have contributed to its quality. There are reasons why you're eager to be able to use it, and this is one of them.

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    How does 250 posts make anyone not a newbie.

    I joined 2015. Still nowhere near 200 posts and i have watches to sell. I try not to just post irrelevant stuff.

    Bet no one knows i exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nansbread1 View Post
    How does 250 posts make anyone not a newbie.

    I joined 2015. Still nowhere near 200 posts and i have watches to sell. I try not to just post irrelevant stuff.

    Bet no one knows i exist.
    You've just answered your own question. If you posted more people would know you and trust buying from you. If everyone took your view of not posting there would be nothing to read.

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    Think about it from the viewers point of view. If you are about to bank transfer to a person you do not know then personally I feel it gives you enough posts to look at to gauge the type of person you are dealing with.

    It is a pain I agree but it is a good rule.


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    It did me no harm. I've bought almost all my watches from this place, and in doing so have learned a heck of a lot about brands, movements, straps, watchmakers and menders etc. I sold my first watches this year, which I think is my 7th year of membership or something.


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    It does seem that the threshold for buyers could be lowered. Normally they are the party more on risk so would always seek the added comfort of dealing with an 'established' seller. That said, its a forum rule that's been here since I started using the site and am in no way looking to try and change it.

    For my benefit going forward, is it frowned upon to DM sellers if you're unable to post in sales corner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooky13 View Post
    It does seem that the threshold for buyers could be lowered. Normally they are the party more on risk so would always seek the added comfort of dealing with an 'established' seller. That said, its a forum rule that's been here since I started using the site and am in no way looking to try and change it.

    For my benefit going forward, is it frowned upon to DM sellers if you're unable to post in sales corner?
    There's no issue with contacting a seller by PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooky13 View Post
    It does seem that the threshold for buyers could be lowered. Normally they are the party more on risk so would always seek the added comfort of dealing with an 'established' seller. That said, its a forum rule that's been here since I started using the site and am in no way looking to try and change it.

    For my benefit going forward, is it frowned upon to DM sellers if you're unable to post in sales corner?
    Why do you feel that two months and fifty posts is too long to gain access to sales corner?

    WRT to sending a pm if you've not enough posts to post in SC, there's nothing to stop you so there isn't an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nansbread1 View Post
    How does 250 posts make anyone not a newbie.

    I joined 2015. Still nowhere near 200 posts and i have watches to sell. I try not to just post irrelevant stuff.

    Bet no one knows i exist.
    You joined in the same month and year as me. Why not start a thread, either to show us what watches you have or to ask a question. People on here are incredibly helpful. I have started threads because I couldn't undo Bracelet pins that have screws at each end and in the last week I asked people what they thought of Oris because I saw a nice watch premiered at Baselworld but knew little about the brand or the financial residuals etc. Once started a bit of a discussion takes place. You will very quickly get past 250 with active participation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
    Something else questionable is admiring a sales forum and then attacking the conditions which have contributed to its quality. There are reasons why you're eager to be able to use it, and this is one of them.
    Excuse me? "Questionable?" ... "attacking it"? My actions, my friend, are not questionable. I merely asked politely why the differential existed and then again politely thanked all for the answers given. At NO POINT did I "attack the conditions", so drop the spurious stuff . I happen to have a watch I'm looking to sell and my question was s reasonable one. Your suggestion that my motives are "questionable" is out of line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crooky13 View Post
    It does seem that the threshold for buyers could be lowered. Normally they are the party more on risk so would always seek the added comfort of dealing with an 'established' seller. That said, its a forum rule that's been here since I started using the site and am in no way looking to try and change it.
    In this case it is not so much the risk. It's a feeble yet good attempt at keeping the watches within the community, or at least to get members a chance to buy them before they are hoovered by 'dealers' to turn a quick profit elsewhere. It still happens but when caught it is often messy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    In this case it is not so much the risk. It's a feeble yet good attempt at keeping the watches within the community, or at least to get members a chance to buy them before they are hoovered by 'dealers' to turn a quick profit elsewhere. It still happens but when caught it is often messy.

    It has very little to do with dealers. Any dealer who wants access could have the knowledge and nous to contribute unobtrusively should they wish and often have more time to monitor the sales thread than many of us. I know of one sale and suspect there's quite a few that get sold to dealers who haven't declared themselves as such.

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    I'm sure the forum owner will be open to constructive suggestions for improvement if the OP is minded to PM him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    I'm sure the forum owner will be open to constructive suggestions for improvement if the OP is minded to PM him.
    Where is the 'like' button when you need it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    I'm sure the forum owner will be open to constructive suggestions for improvement if the OP is minded to PM him.
    To be perfectly clear I was not suggesting changes to the structure as it is clearly long established and works. I merely was asking why probation is longer for selling than buying. Most answered succinctly and with good answers which has helped me now know the answer. Seems to others my question has revealed me to be some sort of undesirable - the like of which is exactly why the rules were made!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    To be perfectly clear I was not suggesting changes to the structure as it is clearly long established and works. I merely was asking why probation is longer for selling than buying. Most answered succinctly and with good answers which has helped me now know the answer. Seems to others my question has revealed me to be some sort of undesirable - the like of which is exactly why the rules were made!
    The post you quoted was not directed at you.
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    Don't worry OP, it usually descends rapidly whenever a relative newbie asks a question about SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    You will very quickly get past 250 with active participation.
    Or 2500 in your case Ken!

    Not saying you talk too much or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    The post you quoted was not directed at you.
    No probs was worth clarifying anyway


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    Whilst I'd love to nose in the SC. It's probably for the best I cannot for the time being


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    For the record I have nothing to sell and I don't want to buy anything either......

    Shoot me down if you like but not sure I like being told that I am untrustworthy as a newbie but everyone who's been here a while is honest.

    I have over 300 eBay transactions and 100% positive feedback if I was going to rip someone off surely it'd be on the bay rather than a closed forum of people who I'm likely to come across regularly?

    I ordered my Everest from Eddie (the purchase was first contact I had with him and Timefactors) I paid him and he sent me the watch..what's the difference here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Or 2500 in your case Ken!

    Not saying you talk too much or anything.
    2,500!! - homing in on 4,000 - must talk more

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkieB View Post

    I ordered my Everest from Eddie (the purchase was first contact I had with him and Timefactors) I paid him and he sent me the watch..what's the difference here?


    Eddie is operating a business. As a result when you buy from him you gain legal rights. When you buy from a private seller, you lose those rights. E.g if the watch is not as described, you have a legal right to return for a refund. Not quite so easy with a private sale.

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    It obviously depends on the number of posts/time issue, I joined in Jan 2015 and have a grand total of 113 posts, I joined a bike forum in Jan 2002 and have a post count of 593 so I guess it'll take me a while to get to sell some of the watches/bits I bought on SC, funnily enough I got to 50 posts quite quickly but clearly no match for Ken! Cheers, John B4 (just added another 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkieB View Post
    Shoot me down if you like but not sure I like being told that I am untrustworthy as a newbie but everyone who's been here a while is honest.
    I know what you mean, but that's not really what it's about.

    When you do deals with people on SC it's generally by sending them money as a bank transfer and then they send you the watch. As a buyer, it's a little alarming at first: you're sending money to a complete stranger whose real name and address you probably don't know. You have no credit card protection, no security, no guarantee that you'll ever even hear from them again, and no comeback if they decide to just take your money and run. The first thing I bought here was a SubC, and it was a nerve-racking few days before it arrived!

    The only protection we do have is that if you get ripped off, you can call the seller out on the forum and then no-one else will deal with them in future. But if they just popped on to do the one deal, that probably won't bother them.

    With the system as it is, you need to invest a fair amount of time and energy into the forum and become part of the community before you have the opportunity to sell. Having done that, sellers are less likely to blow their forum reputation for the sake of one deal. Yes, things go wrong very occasionally, but it's still far safer than eBay or any other Internet marketplace.

    So it's not a presumption of dishonesty about newbies; we just ask that you demonstrate a bit of a commitment to sticking around for the long term, to protect people who deal with you, and in turn you will benefit from that protection yourself later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    I understand. PayPal does however provide protection. I've not joined to sell particularly, but rather to join the community. Been on WUS for years but it's global and I always felt it was a little impersonal and the idea of a uk forum always appealed so was pretty happy when a friend mentioned tzuk. As for joining to sell - well a watch community by its nature buys and sells so yes it will be a part of the experience or a sales corner wouldn't exist in the first place, and as a serial flipper (always lusting after some new time piece or other) buying and selling is both unavoidable and part of the fun. I think the phrase is the thrill is often in the hunt. Anyway thanks for your answers, I guess I understand.


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    Almost exactly why I joined this forum after several years on WUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitfield View Post
    I know what you mean, but that's not really what it's about.

    When you do deals with people on SC it's generally by sending them money as a bank transfer and then they send you the watch. As a buyer, it's a little alarming at first: you're sending money to a complete stranger whose real name and address you probably don't know. You have no credit card protection, no security, no guarantee that you'll ever even hear from them again, and no comeback if they decide to just take your money and run. The first thing I bought here was a SubC, and it was a nerve-racking few days before it arrived!

    The only protection we do have is that if you get ripped off, you can call the seller out on the forum and then no-one else will deal with them in future. But if they just popped on to do the one deal, that probably won't bother them.

    With the system as it is, you need to invest a fair amount of time and energy into the forum and become part of the community before you have the opportunity to sell. Having done that, sellers are less likely to blow their forum reputation for the sake of one deal. Yes, things go wrong very occasionally, but it's still far safer than eBay or any other Internet marketplace.

    So it's not a presumption of dishonesty about newbies; we just ask that you demonstrate a bit of a commitment to sticking around for the long term, to protect people who deal with you, and in turn you will benefit from that protection yourself later on.
    For me, all you wrote is much of the attraction of SC and I applaud the forum policy wholeheartedly, even though I can't sell anything on there until the end of August. It will benefit me in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitfield View Post
    I know what you mean, but that's not really what it's about.

    When you do deals with people on SC it's generally by sending them money as a bank transfer and then they send you the watch. As a buyer, it's a little alarming at first: you're sending money to a complete stranger whose real name and address you probably don't know. You have no credit card protection, no security, no guarantee that you'll ever even hear from them again, and no comeback if they decide to just take your money and run. The first thing I bought here was a SubC, and it was a nerve-racking few days before it arrived!

    The only protection we do have is that if you get ripped off, you can call the seller out on the forum and then no-one else will deal with them in future. But if they just popped on to do the one deal, that probably won't bother them.

    With the system as it is, you need to invest a fair amount of time and energy into the forum and become part of the community before you have the opportunity to sell. Having done that, sellers are less likely to blow their forum reputation for the sake of one deal. Yes, things go wrong very occasionally, but it's still far safer than eBay or any other Internet marketplace.

    So it's not a presumption of dishonesty about newbies; we just ask that you demonstrate a bit of a commitment to sticking around for the long term, to protect people who deal with you, and in turn you will benefit from that protection yourself later on.
    Exactly This

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    . Your suggestion that my motives are "questionable" is out of line.
    If I had been referring to your motives, that would be true, but I wasn't. Things other than motives can be "questionable", such the sense of a choice of action, which is all I meant here. You can deflate your chest now 😘

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordy964 View Post
    For me, all you wrote is much of the attraction of SC and I applaud the forum policy wholeheartedly, even though I can't sell anything on there until the end of August. It will benefit me in the end.
    To be fair, you have joined in and done it properly and as you say will gain access fairly soon, by which time your count will be high enough.

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    If anyone seems to be in a hurry to sell, post count should be reset to zero.
    It is not as if the requirements are excessive.
    Bide you time,not that hard.
    Just the fact that someone needs to make a post about access to SC or ability to sell is jarring for me.
    Other than the undue hurry that is annoying, it sounds like a whinge.
    And,often it is a matter of not bothering to read rules or laziness to do some research.
    The worst is- I just typed my 50th post- why is Eddie not at my house with s bottle of champagne to invite me to SC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAJEN View Post
    If anyone seems to be in a hurry to sell, post count should be reset to zero.
    It is not as if the requirements are excessive.
    Bide you time,not that hard.
    Just the fact that someone needs to make a post about access to SC or ability to sell is jarring for me.
    Other than the undue hurry that is annoying, it sounds like a whinge.
    And,often it is a matter of not bothering to read rules or laziness to do some research.
    The worst is- I just typed my 50th post- why is Eddie not at my house with s bottle of champagne to invite me to SC?
    ...easily jarred. Not that adept at reading what I actually wrote. Maybe you are pre-menstrual ? You never had a watch to sell?, or maybe you're too busy writing to your local newspaper about the state of the roads in your neck of the woods.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
    If I had been referring to your motives, that would be true, but I wasn't. Things other than motives can be "questionable", such the sense of a choice of action, which is all I meant here. You can deflate your chest now
    I think we both know what you meant but I'll deflate my chest if it makes you happy


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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    ...easily jarred. Not that adept at reading what I actually wrote. Maybe you are pre-menstrual ? You never had a watch to sell?, or maybe you're too busy writing to your local newspaper about the state of the roads in your neck of the woods.


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    The beauty of 250 postings is that for most of us it allows others to build up a picture of what we are really like as individuals. You started this thread with a reasonable question, but you seem easily rattled and have posted a few aggressive responses since.

    Carry this on and by the time you get to SC no one will want to deal with you.

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    I can't help feeling that this thread would have been better terminated after only two posts, the first being the initial question and the second being the answer, succinctly explained in two short sentences!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    I think we both know what you meant but I'll deflate my chest if it makes you happy


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    Since you persist in your mistaken belief - in a moment of politeness that now seems superfluous, I used "questionable" as a euphemism for "stupid"

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    lol this is priceless. Aggressive? I'm not easily rattled- rather I just speak my mind. There's a difference. I'm glad you've noted my ripostes and perhaps even given me a wee black mark or two.... I'll go to church in the morning to atone for my sins


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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
    I can't help feeling that this thread would have been better terminated after only two posts, the first being the initial question and the second being the answer, succinctly explained in two short sentences!
    Yes you're right - shame Der Amf and others had to go all Rita Hayworth about it.


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    There was no hole at the start of this thread, just a question. However to me you decided to dig a hole and make it deeper.

    No doubt you'll disagree but I've read the thread and that's how I see it. If it was my thread, I'd leave it alone now. Least said soonest mended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
    Since you persist in your mistaken belief - in a moment of politeness that now seems superfluous, I used "questionable" as a euphemism for "stupid"
    Couldn't resist huh? Oh well. I'll leave the conversation at that.


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    Take a tip from someone with a gazillion posts. You asked your question and had your answer so stop posting, walk away, go and have a cup of tea; read, and possibly contribute to, another part of the forum.

    There are members here who would argue with a signpost and they have a lot of stamina. They love this sort of thread and I guarantee if you continue trying to 'speak your mind' and 'stick up for yourself', as natural a thing as that is, you'll come away the worse off. There is no way to win a battle of wit and repartee here because the battle is lost before it starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    Take a tip from someone with a gazillion posts. You asked your question and had your answer so stop posting, walk away, go and have a cup of tea; read, and possibly contribute to, another part of the forum.

    There are members here who would argue with a signpost and they have a lot of stamina. They love this sort of thread and I guarantee if you continue trying to 'speak your mind' and 'stick up for yourself', as natural a thing as that is, you'll come away the worse off. There is no way to win a battle of wit and repartee here because the battle is lost before it starts.
    You are of course correct. I should not enter a battle of wits when some are clearly unarmed. Ba da boom tschh. I'll go and have some tea


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