Reply With QuoteYou've done what is best for yourself. End of story. Nothing unethical about making your own choices about where and how to work and standing by them. Good luck.
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Last October the company I worked for was broken up and sold so after 10 years there I took redundancy. I started a new job in December at a firm doing consulting rather than being in industry as I fancied giving something a bit different a go. Very quickly I realised the job was not for me. They were under-staffed, prepared to chase after any job and people there have zero work-life balance. Working until 11pm at least three nights a week is just the accepted norm and morale is awful. The leadership only seem to care about 'dollars and deliverables' so the people are treated poorly. I was given sales targets for the first time in my life, which seem ludicrously high now I'm up and running, and have no support at all.
A month ago a competitor to the company I had worked at for 10 years head hunted me for role similar to the one I had before redundancy. They've listened to my reasons for not enjoying my current consulting role and offered me flexible working doing 7.45am to 4.15pm and to work from home a day per week. It's back in industry so no sales targets or time sheets or crazy hours. On Friday I accepted the job and handed my notice in after just 4 months in consulting. Well the partner who runs my team went ballistic, shouting at me down the phone (he spends most of his time in another office) that I've cost him a lot of money, this is not how senior people behave and accused me of being unethical. I pointed out that he'd promised me in interview that it was a great place to work with work life balance a big focus, we'd start on day one on my business case for promotion so I could expect to move up to the next grade in 3-6 months and various other hollow promises/lies. He's not accepting any of that though and maintains that I'm acting unethically by leaving after just 4 months. After seeing how easily companies make people redundant when it suits them I'm pretty sure I should ignore him and he should accept it's just business. But there is a part of me that thinks maybe it is unethical to jump ship so quickly. Thoughts?
You've done what is best for yourself. End of story. Nothing unethical about making your own choices about where and how to work and standing by them. Good luck.
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No. Move on.
I'm with you. Spot on. Enjoying your work is a huge factor in enjoying your life.
Life is not a dress rehearsal.
One of you is being unethical, and from your account of things, it doesn't appear to be you.
Spot on.Originally Posted by learningtofly
The fact he's reacted like that screams move on, and fast. Do what's right for you and forget the rest. If the company hits the skids in six months the same fella would get rid of you without a second thought.
Adios consultancy role! Hola 4:15 finishes and working from home!
Maybe your both a little unethical, who cares, he's an **** who lied to you at interview and treats his employees like****.
It's your, choice stay, and at 11pm on Tuesday while still at work you can be proud of how ethical you are.
I'm sure you'll boss will be really appreciative.
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No not in the slightest.
You only live once, it seems like a horrible place to work anyway.......
Do whats best for you and your family...
Nobody needs any extra stress in their lives .
As long as you have observed the required notice period then no problem.
The manager is a fool. Nobody performs well in a role where they feel uncomfortable. You have actually done him a favour, he is just too stupid to realise it.
You have done the right thing.
You do what's best for you. Don't feel any remorse/ guilt in any way.
Thanks guys. I've only every worked for two companies before, doing 10 years at each so I naturally felt pretty stressed and worried about quitting a job after just 4 months. There is no doubt the guy is a nightmare and one of the main reasons staff turnover is so high there. I actually wonder if he'll get the push after this as I know the other partners have been concerned about his behaviour in the past and are watching carefully.
Not at all. Better to leave now than later in my opinion.
Seems to me he is in breach of contract (verbal only) as the job conditions are clearly not as described, walk away and don't give it another thought.
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Walk away and don't look back. It sounds like the partner would struggle to spell ethical, never mind try to provide a definition of the word.
It's a shame you didn't record the phone call as i would have then sent it to his senior manager and the tosser would be looking for another job.
Well done,can't believe these bullies are still getting away with this in the 21st century.
can only echo what the others have said. nothing unethical about anything you've done. you've given your notice if your manger isn't man enough to accept you're moving on then thats his lookout not yours.
move on to pastures new and enjoy the new job
As per all the above! The work style is very consultancy - it's about billable hours.
You've given it a fair go, it's not for you, your boss is an arse and another job has come along. Move on!
His reaction has confirmed your concerns. You're doing the right thing by leaving.
I can't believe you actually have to ask. The firm sounds like a shoddy pipe dream built out of straw and air. And the manager sounds like a grade A dick. Why would leaving such a circus be unethical? If they can't manage themselves properly it's not your fault, is it?
Sleep easy and good luck in your new role
If you hadn't made your numbers for a few months you would have been out without anything but a month's notice if you were lucky and would probably have been KPI'd into quitting so I wouldn't think twice about it and congrats on your new job.
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If you hadn't made your numbers for a few months you would have been out without anything but a month's notice if you were lucky and would probably have been KPI'd into quitting so I wouldn't think twice about it and congrats on your new job.
Definitely done the right thing for all sorts of reasons, including your health, work life balance and job satisfaction. Not unethical at all in my opinion. Your former boss sounds like a bullying and harassment nightmare.
Nothing unethical there at all.
Happens all the time and I wouldn't give it a second thought.
It says a great deal about you - your standards and work ethic. I often engage consultants and people who want to work ad hoc hours and will always go the extra mile to hang on to people with this kind of approach.
You wouldn't be doing anything unethical if they hadn't been terrible to you. If you get offers elsewhere there nothing binding that means you can't move on.
Trust me. If they wanted rid of you their ethics would soon disappear.
Even if he offered you the moon, the very fact that he shouted at you down the phone and clearly didn't understand the consequences of hard HRM (investing resources into training staff only for them to leave) would be enough for me to run as far from that company as possible.
This is totally spot on, it is utter nonsense just take the role and look after yourself.
^^^ this! ^^^
You're doing the best thing for you. Your mental well-being, your family, your friends, your lifestyle, your work/life balance etc etc. Good for you, and sod the rest of it. You're not screwing anyone over by leaving a job you don't want to do.
It sounds like your soon to be ex boss has planted a seed of guilt in you, add that to your track record of being loyal to previous employers and you end up feeling the way you do. Given your circumstance it could be considered understandable, though it certainly isn't logical.
Good luck with your new role
No, not at all.
You took a job in good faith and have discovered that it isn't the right job for you. Then, when approached by another company about a job that you are better suited to, you have decided to leave. No deceit involved, nothing unethical.
(I'm a recruitment manager in a business, if I had someone I had hired do this, I know I'd be hacked off. Doesn't make what you've done unethical, though. I'd be spending my time what I'd done wrong during the recruitment, process if it was me. In your case it sounds like your expectations of the job vs. the reality were very different, so someone screwed up hugely during the recruitment process (or just misled you, which would put the ethics violation firmly in their camp).)
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
Echo the above. Don't give it any more of your time or thoughts. Be glad it was only for a short time and look forward not back.
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This is what my wife said. Loyalty is something I value hugely and given I've spent a decade at each of my previous employers, he touched a nerve saying I was unethical. I have another meeting with him tomorrow to discuss my notice period. I'm on three months notice but he said he was too angry to think about this on Friday. I've insisted that someone from HR joins every meeting we have from now on. He is unhappy that I am an expensive resource and unless I'm doing 50% billable hours the money they pay me is apprently now "wasted". So I've decided I'm happy to cut my notice period to whatever he wants. If he wants me to walk out tomorrow without any further notice period or pay then I'll do it.You're doing the best thing for you. Your mental well-being, your family, your friends, your lifestyle, your work/life balance etc etc. Good for you, and sod the rest of it. You're not screwing anyone over by leaving a job you don't want to do.
It sounds like your soon to be ex boss has planted a seed of guilt in you, add that to your track record of being loyal to previous employers and you end up feeling the way you do. Given your circumstance it could be considered understandable, though it certainly isn't logical.
Good luck with your new role
Do you know where he lives? Find his letterbox.
Absolutely not! You've done what's right for you, as he would.
There's not a lot of loyalty in some businesses,employees get used and abused,so don't worry about it do what's best for you
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What he said
You'll soon forget the idiots
All too common an attitude....
By leaving you may force idiots like that to think a bit more about how they treat people
Unethical?
Not even close!
You have done the right thing for the right reasons.
Nothing remotely unethical there, good luck with your new (and seemingly less stressful) job.
Most of us will have had a crappy job at some time, so don't give it a second thought, move on and put it down to experience.
As I'm currently in a very similar position, promised the Earth etc, stuff them, and think no more about it.
Sent on the run.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
You are doing the right thing. Don't worry about it.
Chris
To have one's principles and moral judgement challenged, be it at work or anywhere else, can be difficult to not take personally, especially so in the manner that this has unfolded. Leaving on mutually agreed terms with as clean a cut as possible is the best solution, and do so with your head held high. Do the right thing, even if those around you aren't.
I'd go as far to say that I'd not consider it unethical to do whatever it takes to hammer a couple of more nails in his coffin.
I've nothing to add here except to agree with everyone else.
Go for it and hopefully enjoy the new job!
You did the right thing.
Many years ago I worked for a firm as a staff programmer being promised a team leader slot within six months. Almost three years later and I am still a staff programmer, no new team leaders had been made in that time. One Monday night I get a phone call from a previous employer and offered a position higher pay, less of a commute (20 minutes vs 1 hour and 15 minutes), driving instead of taking the LIRR and shorter hours (that turned out to be untrue). I agree to start in two weeks. I type up a letter of resignation and first thing Tuesday morning I hand it to the head of my department. He blows up calling me unprofessional because I am one day short of two weeks. I said does that extra Monday really meant that much to him? If so I'll call my new employer and change my start date. That made him even madder. With out saying anything to me he calls security and two huge gorillas come into the office. He then told me to not bother coming back and the security team would watch me pack up my office and escort me out of the building. I ask him if I was terminated and his answer was yes. Great I took my letter back.
The security team escorts me to my office and they are surprised to see a box already packed on my desk. I ask if I could make an intercompany call and one of them said yes. I called a friend in HR and told her I was just terminated by my dept head and that he would not report it that way.. She asked if there were witnesses and I said yes two security guards who were with me. I hand the phone to one of them and after a few replies to questions he hands the phone to the other with the same results. I get the phone back and my friend says Sorry to see you go, you will receive a check by the end of the week with all of your earned vacation and sick pay as well as two weeks severance.
I knew he would go ballistic when I resigned since he had done it to others. BTW If he had taken my resignation I would not have been paid for my earned sick days only Vacation. So I had almost twop weeks to relax before the new job.
Anyone who screams about ethics after breaking their word need a lesson in the meaning of ethics.
Good luck in your new job.
You are only passing life through once....
So never feel guilty about putting yourself or your family first.
Companies can be brutal, this bloke wouldn't give you or your situation at second thought if he had to get rid of you.
Good luck with your new job.
You are well out of it, you've more than enough reasons to jump ship. Best of luck in the new job.
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