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    Acoustic Bass Guitars - a little guidance required

    I have always fancied an acoustic guitar and feel a bass would be good.

    Anyway, can you get a purely acoustic bass guitar, as all the ones I have looked at are semi accustic and I will never amp it up.

    Any general advise and guidance on the subject would of course be more than welcome.

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    I think most acoustic basses are electro's nowadays although it hasn't always been the case.

    Out of interest, why bass?

    I don't want offend our four string brethren but if you want an acoustic I think a normal six string version would be favourite so you could play some tunes etc.

    Have you played before?
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    Never played before Neil and just fancy having something I can learn a few rifts on, also I feel it would be easier too but I know I will be shot down on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben4watches View Post
    Never played before Neil and just fancy having something I can learn a few rifts on, also I feel it would be easier too but I know I will be shot down on this one.
    Don't let the extra 2 strings put you off, a 6 string is far more versatile and you'll get more pleasure from it

    I'd recommend a Taylor GS Mini, lovely size and sound if you don't want to sit there in the evening with a Dreadnought on your lap

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    I don't play at all but there are some fully acoustic ones on here - https://www.thomann.de/gb/acoustic_a...ic_basses.html

    Good luck!

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    I recently bought a Taylor GS Mini acoustic, an excellent small bodied 6 string with a short scale length which means a light action due to low string tension, and this makes it very easy to play for a novice (like me). Being small and light it's ideal for sitting with it on the lap, very comfortable to hold. Taylor also just brought out a bass version, which has also been well received, and is a LOT smaller than a full sized bass. I would advise you to try and get to a shop or two just to hold some guitars to see what you find comfortable, not just the size but the neck shape and it's length and width. A bass isn't the instrument for starting out on IMHO. With all of the lessons available on Youtube it's never been easier to learn guitar, but of course you get out exactly what you put in, in terms of practice time. 2 months in, a dozen or so chords under my belt, just starting on barre chords and a little finger picking and I'm loving it! Lots of reviews on Youtube etc for the GS Mini.
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    To be blunt, purely acoustic bass guitars don't actually "work" (beyond a very small room) as acoustic instruments because their soundbox is physically too small to produce any volume, which is precisely why the vast majority of them are electro acoustic.

    Consider the difference in size between a violin and a double bass- an acoustic bass guitar would need to be enormous compared to an acoustic guitar in order to be audible in any kind of ensemble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    an acoustic bass guitar would need to be enormous compared to an acoustic guitar in order to be audible in any kind of ensemble.
    I'm guessing the OP's requirement is for it to have enough volume to hear whilst playing at home without needing to plug it in rather than be heard in a band?

    FWIW I often play my bass unplugged whilst practising and even thought it's an electric you can hear the notes well enough to know whether you're playing okay or not, something with a sound-box would probably be adequate volume-wise for learning (as long as you don't want any effects etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben4watches View Post
    Never played before Neil and just fancy having something I can learn a few rifts on, also I feel it would be easier too but I know I will be shot down on this one.
    If you just want to plod along playing the root notes of the rhythm guitar chords it's pretty easy I suppose but I think you will find that rather dull and unrewarding longer term. The job of the bass is to link the rhythm with the melody and if you think of some of the great bass players it's actually more complicated than you might think.

    I think the quickest way to playing a few riffs would be to play the rhythm guitar chords on a 6 string personally, it's surprising how far you can go with just a few chords providing you find arrangements to suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonH View Post
    FWIW I often play my bass unplugged whilst practising and even thought it's an electric you can hear the notes well enough to know whether you're playing okay or not, something with a sound-box would probably be adequate volume-wise for learning (as long as you don't want any effects etc.).
    And as long as you're not playing along to a backing track otherwise audibility (or lack of it) comes to the fore.

    To the OP- if you really want to play bass take heart from the fact that compact, good quality and affordable bass amps are a lot easier to find now than they used to be, and the sound you'll get from just about any ABG (unless it is very high end and costly) will be much more pleasing amplified.

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    These are a good compromise, albeit not cheap.

    https://www.taylorguitars.com/guitar...tic/baritone-8

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    Here a 4 string alternative

    An acoustic tenor guitar!

    I played one for years until arthritis made it too painful

    You can tune them the same as the top 4 strings of a 6 string (DGBE - Chicago Tuning) or in a load of other more jazz style tunings too.

    Its easy to adapt 6 string guitar chord shapes and there are a number of on line resources to help with this.

    I had a lovely Gold Tone imported from the States and also an Ozark cutaway.

    Easier to learn but still hold their own - well mine did the last time I played in public...

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    Ben , I recommend a trip down to Exeter to have a look in Mansons, the coolest shop ever and I can not even play a guitar but like to have a look in there when I am passing. They are all super friendly in there and it is well worth a visit.

    https://www.mansons.co.uk/

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    And as long as you're not playing along to a backing track otherwise audibility (or lack of it) comes to the fore.

    To the OP- if you really want to play bass take heart from the fact that compact, good quality and affordable bass amps are a lot easier to find now than they used to be, and the sound you'll get from just about any ABG (unless it is very high end and costly) will be much more pleasing amplified.
    Agreed, he just doesn't seem to want to make much noise!

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    I have an acoustic bass with plug in ability, the only thing I use it for is practice at home as it's louder than an electric but still really quiet. Without the ability to plug it into an amp it would pretty much be a waste of money, it occasionally comes on gigs where the leaders wants an 'unplugged' feel but you still have to plug it in otherwise it won't be heard at all - there's are reason why upright basses are so big - you need that size sound box to be heard!

    If you really really just want to learn a few riffs I would suggest getting a cheap acoustic guitar and learning the rifts on the lower 4 strings, cheaper/ louder /easier to hear and a guitar is more useful than an acoustic bass.

    If you really get into it then (and only then) go out and buy an electric bass guitar and a small practice amp. I bet you can pick up a decent 2nd hand guitar from a friend/colleague who bought one a few years ago to learn and then after 2 weeks never played it again.

    Having said that, I'd never get rid/sell my ABG because it is something that is 'different' and does get used but if it was damaged/lost I wouldn't buy another to replace it.

    I was very lucky with mine, one of the big local guitar companies decided to do a limited run of just 200 ABG based on their guitar dreadnought body, fishman electronics and so all they had to develop was the neck really. I was allowed to have one being local and somewhat known and it was mine for around UKP 160 including bag/strap cable - that's less than the retail price of the Fishman electrics!
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    Ben,

    as mentioned, go and have a chat with Ralph @ Mansons. He'll sort you out. You need to remember that because of the low frequency, if you don't amp it, you won't hear it.

    If you decide you want to go the full Jazz bass, get in touch

    PS It's riff not rift!

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    Some good advice here Ben.

    I hope you get started on a lifetime of enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    I recently bought a Taylor GS Mini acoustic, an excellent small bodied 6 string with a short scale length which means a light action due to low string tension, and this makes it very easy to play for a novice (like me). Being small and light it's ideal for sitting with it on the lap, very comfortable to hold. Taylor also just brought out a bass version, which has also been well received, and is a LOT smaller than a full sized bass. I would advise you to try and get to a shop or two just to hold some guitars to see what you find comfortable, not just the size but the neck shape and it's length and width. A bass isn't the instrument for starting out on IMHO. With all of the lessons available on Youtube it's never been easier to learn guitar, but of course you get out exactly what you put in, in terms of practice time. 2 months in, a dozen or so chords under my belt, just starting on barre chords and a little finger picking and I'm loving it! Lots of reviews on Youtube etc for the GS Mini.
    I think this is where I went wrong, I have a few full sized acoustic guitars, all of my playing was with me sat on my bed guitar on lap, I do find them just too big and I'm not a small bloke either, not picked them up in quite a while now maybe I need to swap one for a small bodied version.

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    Thanks for all your input guys, all very helpfull.

    With regard to the whole amp situation, if I buy one it will be purely for my own entertainment at home, to play around with and hopefully learn something new which I will enjoy, should need arise further down the line upgrading is always an option.

    The option of a trip into Exeter will definately be on the cards, nothing like a little hands on before you buy, unlike watches.

    Riffs eh, ok will learn a few of those too

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    Ben on your trip to Exeter to Mansons, check out the specialist beer shop at the start of the Arcade, just before Mansons.

    Great shop owned by a great chap, and just over the road is the best burrito take away run by the famous Gus, best ever, very busy but a real treat cooked fresh in traditional way.

    Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben4watches View Post

    Riffs eh, ok will learn a few of those too
    Heres a good one to get you going


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lx8jLE3qVqA

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    If the amount of stings are putting you off you try a three stringer à la seasick Steve.

    https://youtu.be/rn5l-mL3E_I

    Not a bass I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    With all of the lessons available on Youtube it's never been easier to learn guitar, but of course you get out exactly what you put in, in terms of practice time. 2 months in, a dozen or so chords under my belt, just starting on barre chords and a little finger picking and I'm loving it! Lots of reviews on Youtube etc for the GS Mini.
    How are you getting on with the barre chords?? I can pretty much do the E shape up and down the fret board, but changing from one shape to another is proving slow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    How are you getting on with the barre chords?? I can pretty much do the E shape up and down the fret board, but changing from one shape to another is proving slow!

    After a week/ten days of this as one of my 2 or 3 daily 20 minute stints the strength in my left hand has increased a fair bit, and I've got this off cleanly now, it's pretty simple TBH but sounds nice when you first get it right! Re chord shape changing, I can play a decent number now and it's a case of strumming a tune and getting up to speed, I've got this off now after a couple of weeks, and I'm currently working on this one. I try and find a song I like that contains what I want to learn at my ability level and stick at it until I've got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    How are you getting on with the barre chords?? I can pretty much do the E shape up and down the fret board, but changing from one shape to another is proving slow!
    Just a tip, you don't have to play a full barre all of the time.

    On electric I usually play the E shape on the top four strings and bring the thumb over on the sixth.

    Chords can even be two (power) or three notes.

    You don't have to fight with it to get a pleasing sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    After a week/ten days of this as one of my 2 or 3 daily 20 minute stints the strength in my left hand has increased a fair bit, and I've got this off cleanly now, it's pretty simple TBH but sounds nice when you first get it right! Re chord shape changing, I can play a decent number now and it's a case of strumming a tune and getting up to speed, I've got this off now after a couple of weeks, and I'm currently working on this one. I try and find a song I like that contains what I want to learn at my ability level and stick at it until I've got it.
    That's pretty cool! I can change regular open chords OK but its going from say the E shape barre chord to the A shape that is proving challenging!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    Just a tip, you don't have to play a full barre all of the time.

    On electric I usually play the E shape on the top four strings and bring the thumb over on the sixth.

    Chords can even be two (power) or three notes.

    You don't have to fight with it to get a pleasing sound.
    Thanks for that. I feel like I've learnt a whole bunch of stuff since I started the lessons and need to consolidate it a bit now. With the barre chords I'm trying to make sure I can play them 'full' to start with before I adopt a different style like deploying the thumb over the top.

    Neil - what's your view / opinion on the relative importance of theory (as in knowing the notes on the fret board)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post


    Thanks for that. I feel like I've learnt a whole bunch of stuff since I started the lessons and need to consolidate it a bit now. With the barre chords I'm trying to make sure I can play them 'full' to start with before I adopt a different style like deploying the thumb over the top.

    Neil - what's your view / opinion on the relative importance of theory (as in knowing the notes on the fret board)?
    I guess it depends on what you want to do.

    I think learning the notes is the most important. It allows you to construct chords and understand scales.

    TBH I am really a rock type player so that is all the theory I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    I can change regular open chords OK but its going from say the E shape barre chord to the A shape that is proving challenging!
    I found barre A to be hard because the fingers are quite congested. I'd work with barre Am first as it's a lot easier (Being the same shape as E just up one string) but will get you going on changing the fingering whilst keeping a good sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonH View Post
    I found barre A to be hard because the fingers are quite congested. I'd work with barre Am first as it's a lot easier (Being the same shape as E just up one string) but will get you going on changing the fingering whilst keeping a good sound.
    Just do the usual barre and then bar straight across two frets down for the A shape but don't play the high E string - easy and effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    Just do the usual barre and then bar straight across two frets down for the A shape but don't play the high E string - easy and effective.
    That's the way that I've been learning it, but moving from the E shape to the A is ok, but then moving back to the E is where it throws me! I want to be able to do E/A, E/A up and down the fret board smoothly. I've been experimenting with different ways of putting the E shape down as that is the one that I find difficult when coming from anything else (open chord or barre).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    That's the way that I've been learning it, but moving from the E shape to the A is ok, but then moving back to the E is where it throws me! I want to be able to do E/A, E/A up and down the fret board smoothly. I've been experimenting with different ways of putting the E shape down as that is the one that I find difficult when coming from anything else (open chord or barre).
    As your playing develops you'll find that 3-4 note chord fragments sound more interesting and are easier to play than full 6-string barre chords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    As your playing develops you'll find that 3-4 note chord fragments sound more interesting and are easier to play than full 6-string barre chords.
    And if you get into overdriven rock guitar 5 (I,V) chords are more prevalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    As your playing develops you'll find that 3-4 note chord fragments sound more interesting and are easier to play than full 6-string barre chords.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    And if you get into overdriven rock guitar 5 (I,V) chords are more prevalent.
    Thanks chaps. It has been an interesting journey so far. I think I might try and learn more about the notes on the board so that I can get to the right place more effectively. At the moment I just try and remember the fret number. Through that I am slowly learning where the notes are.

    Trying very hard to avoid gear acquisition syndrome and so far the only new thing I have bought is a pick for 60p! But I really want a new amp - don't need one, just want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    Thanks chaps. It has been an interesting journey so far. I think I might try and learn more about the notes on the board so that I can get to the right place more effectively. At the moment I just try and remember the fret number. Through that I am slowly learning where the notes are.

    Trying very hard to avoid gear acquisition syndrome and so far the only new thing I have bought is a pick for 60p! But I really want a new amp - don't need one, just want.
    That's the spirit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    That's the spirit!
    So I started in June last year (thanks to some great advice on this forum) and feel quite pleased that I've only spent an additional 60p so far.

    I keep looking at one of the Yamaha THR amps....love the design. Then I see a BBC documentary about Jim Marshall and want a valve Marshall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    So I started in June last year (thanks to some great advice on this forum) and feel quite pleased that I've only spent an additional 60p so far.

    I keep looking at one of the Yamaha THR amps....love the design. Then I see a BBC documentary about Jim Marshall and want a valve Marshall...
    Try before you buy.

    Although there was a bit of love for the THR's when they came out they sound like a little hi fi radio to me.

    They won't get your trouser legs flapping like an amp that shifts a bit of air!

    It doesn't have to be a valve amp either, the inexpensive new Boss Katana's are getting great reviews on guitar forums.

    That said, if you have the wherewithal to really get an amp going a Marshall/Fender valve amp takes some beating.
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    I have a THR10c and I guarantee you'll play more amped guitar buying a THR than just about any other amp. I also have the 100w Katana which is great but not really living room great if you know what I mean, at least not with SWMBO present😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil T View Post
    I have a THR10c and I guarantee you'll play more amped guitar buying a THR than just about any other amp. I also have the 100w Katana which is great but not really living room great if you know what I mean, at least not with SWMBO present
    I thought the idea was that the Katana 100 scaled down to half a watt?

    Half a watt too loud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    I thought the idea was that the Katana 100 scaled down to half a watt?

    Half a watt too loud?
    It does and still gives a decent tone, but falls into the same category as stripping down an engine in the kitchen🙂

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    I have a Zvex Nano head, all of half a watt, and that certainly isn't whisper-quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    I have a Zvex Nano head, all of half a watt, and that certainly isn't whisper-quiet.
    Quite right too.

    Who wants an electric guitar to be whisper quiet?
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    ^^ indeed. The "disgusting stink" cited by a certain Mr FZ is a fine thing indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    ^^ indeed. The "disgusting stink" cited by a certain Mr FZ is a fine thing indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    Just do the usual barre and then bar straight across two frets down for the A shape but don't play the high E string - easy and effective.
    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    That's the way that I've been learning it, but moving from the E shape to the A is ok, but then moving back to the E is where it throws me! I want to be able to do E/A, E/A up and down the fret board smoothly. I've been experimenting with different ways of putting the E shape down as that is the one that I find difficult when coming from anything else (open chord or barre).

    Even with the short scale length of the Taylor I've found that playing the A with a barre and fretting the other three strings individually is difficult. I've now changed tack to this way of playing it and instantly it's lots easier.
    F.T.F.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Even with the short scale length of the Taylor I've found that playing the A with a barre and fretting the other three strings individually is difficult. I've now changed tack to this way of playing it and instantly it's lots easier.

    That's the way Bob, as I said.

    FWIW I have never been able to play the open A shape with three fingers anyway, I only use two. My fingers are too thick and sausage like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    That's the way Bob, as I said.

    FWIW I have never been able to play the open A shape with three fingers anyway, I only use two. My fingers are too thick and sausage like.
    That is what I've been trying as well. The videos on Justinguitar are really good as explaining what should be happening so I shall attempt this with new vigour now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    That is what I've been trying as well. The videos on Justinguitar are really good as explaining what should be happening so I shall attempt this with new vigour now!
    That's the spirit!
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