Eta V In-house Movement

[speedish]

Eta movement V In-house Movement.

What are your opinions ?

I have recently discovered that some In-house movements are not that good in comparison to the Eta movements that we are used to or what we are lead to believe in.

Some of these manufacturers are selling these watches with the high end "In-house" developed movement which I have found to be not that good.

My 8 day power reserve watch (mention no names) suddenly stopped working for no apparent reason. Considering that the watch is just about 2 years old that this shouldn't have happened. I eventually sent my watch to the manufacturer to see what it was.. They said it needed a full service at £700. (because now its over 2 years old). This was unacceptable but I had to have it done.

This experience leaves me to think that some of these complicated watches for no apparent reason are very expensive to maintain and haven't stood the test of time.

Here is another opinion from Federico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLP10pRIFC4

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[Omegamanic]

I'd be asking for a goodwill service.

Some brands are better than others - some are very arrogant.

Id be thinking are they known for their movements, or their advertising and fashion statement.

I prefer in-house, as it usually shows some differentiation - at least they are trying to do something different - then some, Omega, Rolex, and some specialists come up with improvements that benefit most other brands.

At a certain price point I'm not going to be paying thousands for an ETA 2824 for example.

[33JS]

I'm just about to sell my Tudor Bronze in-house movement in order to keep the red-bezelled BB Heritage with ETA movement...

[sestrel]

May one ask as to why?

[Omegamanic]

May one ask as to why?

+1

[seikopath]

I'm just about to sell my Tudor Bronze in-house movement in order to keep the red-bezelled BB Heritage with ETA movement...

Just been comparing both BBs in WoS and I far prefer the earlier one

[33JS]

May one ask as to why?

If that is to me, then it's just a feeling. Dreamt about the BBB, couldn't believe that I found one in a window a few weeks ago but just haven't bonded with it. Was desperate for it, but for some strange reason I'm loving the Heritage that I got as NOS. Weird, huh?

[33JS]

Just been comparing both BBs in WoS and I far prefer the earlier one

I think for me it's the gold tinge to the markers...

[seikopath]

^^It's the script on the dial I prefer on the old ones

[33JS]

^^It's the script on the dial I prefer on the old ones

I see what you mean:

[jonasy]

I would reckon they are legally obliged to fix the problem. A watch shouldn't stop working after 2 years unless it has been damaged.

[RAJEN]

I would reckon they are legally obliged to fix the problem. A watch shouldn't stop working after 2 years unless it has been damaged.

Legally obliged?
Really?

[JeremyO]

I think that there are both good and not so good manufacture movements. ETA movements, in general, seem to be well respected and I have no issue at all with these.

There was was a post a little while ago, can't figure NDA it now, quoting a magazine article which suggested that the manufacture of some in house movements is done for kudos and the quality of these may not be as good as the equivalent ETA movement and has lead to increased costs.

I have an Omega with an 1120 movement (base ETA 2892-A2) which has been exemplary. As Swatch Group own both ETA and Omega I see this as a quasi manufacturer movement in any event.

[jonasy]

Legally obliged?
Really?

"The act provides cover for up to six years in England and Wales, as long as the item has failed through no fault of your own and it was reasonable to expect it to last longer than it has. However, once an item is six months old, you will have to prove the good was faulty when you bought it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...er-rights.html

I would say an expensive watch is expected to last longer than 2 years.

[Lauting]

Interesting views expressed on the video.

Thanks OP.

[DaveA]

A bloke was showing me his Audi the other day & giving me the spec sheet spiel - He got a bit arsey when I told him I had basically the same 2.0L TDI in my Caddy van.

[33JS]

A bloke was showing me his Audi the other day & giving me the spec sheet spiel - He got a bit arsey when I told him I had basically the same 2.0L TDI in my Caddy van.

Ford GT was a truck engine derivative, so was the Porsche 924...

[speedish]

I would reckon they are legally obliged to fix the problem. A watch shouldn't stop working after 2 years unless it has been damaged.

The watch was immaculate. Never been dropped, dinged or anything else. You can imagine the condition and also taking into consideration that its only been worn in rotation with my other collection.

[speedish]

I'd be asking for a goodwill service.

Some brands are better than others - some are very arrogant.

Id be thinking are they known for their movements, or their advertising and fashion statement.

I prefer in-house, as it usually shows some differentiation - at least they are trying to do something different - then some, Omega, Rolex, and some specialists come up with improvements that benefit most other brands.

At a certain price point I'm not going to be paying thousands for an ETA 2824 for example.

I agree with you entirely. But then to think on that its a top notch watch manufacturer and one of my favorite..

[gerasimos33]

If it is a top manufacturer, as the OP says, and they respect themselves they would fix it for free if the watch wasn't abused in any way. I don't see why a multi-thousand watch powered by an "in-house" movement would stop after two years of regular use and the manufacturer would feel comfortable with its reliability.

I don't mind an in-house developed movement, but at the same time I am not overly excited about them. In house does not always equal better or superior in any way, only more exclusive. There are some additional benefits that come with in house movements, like cool complications, eye pleasing case back and sometimes bigger power reserve. I got an IWC Mark XVIII recently and I made quite a research before purchasing one. Apart from the people who liked it and appreciate it for what it is, many felt like it is an overpriced watch with a "generic" movement or "a Stowa with a $1000 premium for each letter on the dial (I-W-C)". Well, that generic movement is modified by IWC to an extend and gives me good accuracy (> +1spd), robustness and lower service cost.

To sum up, I have nothing against in-house movements, and it's nice to feel that your watch is a bit more "special" as long as its movement is robust and accurate.

[Apersonofsorts]

For brands that didn't have much of a history of in house and only recently decided to develop them (e.g. IWC, Panerai) I would prefer an ETA movement. Similar to Speedish I had a watch with an in house movement, the first for the brand in a long time, it developed quite a few problems and they refused to fix it even though it was in perfectly good condition, this has made me wary of an in house movement from brands jumping onto the bandwagon.

In the future for in house I will be sticking with brands like Rolex, JLC and Nomos that make nearly all of it in house.

[mtagrant]

Think I would struggle to pay big money for an ETA based watch but I have had Breitling and IWC watches with modified ETAs that had excellent time keeping. I have also had in house and nice to see something different - some keep excellent time, some nicely decorated and others with interesting complications

[bond]

Seiko are in-house right ?
All the mainsprings, oils etc all in house
I'd say all seikos I had fared equally or better to any 2824-2 or 2801 eta's ive had

[bond]

If Swatch group owns ETA, you could reasonably say that any brand in their lineup that uses an ETA movement is “in-house

[speedish]

Seiko are in-house right ?
All the mainsprings, oils etc all in house
I'd say all seikos I had fared equally or better to any 2824-2 or 2801 eta's ive had

I don't think anyone will dispute Seiko for it's movement. This is regarding the newly developed in-house movements since Swatch has stopped supplying ETA movements.

[Mrbarry]

This is the only issue I have with watch collecting. I have a number of watches now in the £1000 plus bracket, if I had a £200 watch and it stopped working I would look into a repair, but ultimately disposal wouldn't much hurt the pocket. Obviously if I had to have work done to my GMTc then it would have to be done regardless, how many people could or would simply throw away a £6200 watch? Ok you could sell any watch in need of repair and truthfully disclose its state, but a bill of £1500 or such a large loss from the resulting a sale would stick in the throat a little, I'm sure I'd get over it though :? It would make matters simple if it had a cheaper eta movement, a full movement swap is something I would be happy to undertake my self st that price point.

[kaiserphoenix]

For me ETA is superior to "most" inhouse movements. The only time I consider an inhouse to be superior is in the case of say my Lange 1815 Chronograph where the beauty, finishing and design of the movement maeks the watch.

But if Im comparing say Panerais' which i presume is where the 8 day is from I prefer ETA all day.

Patek, Rolex, Seiko, brands like these i respect too for their movement. Other brands should just ditch this movement thing and focus on what makes them unique.

I just feel brands like IWC or Panerai could have just focused on other aspect though i know it was partly a SWATCH group thing that forced their move.

But you take a look at IWC and they are like the ALPINA of BMW. I dont know of any other brand who are such MASTERS of the ETA stuff, particularly the 7750 tuning. They really took to another level.

[paskinner]

For me ETA is superior to "most" inhouse movements. The only time I consider an inhouse to be superior is in the case of say my Lange 1815 Chronograph.......
But you take a look at IWC and they are like the ALPINA of BMW. I dont know of any other brand who are such MASTERS of the ETA stuff, particularly the 7750 tuning. They really took to another level.

But don't IWC now use their own eight-day movement, and doesn't that have a bad reputation for reliability and precision ? Both IWC and Panerei seem to have produced 'in house' movements inferior to the od ETA stuff.
For me, Rolex, Omega and Grand Seiko are now the true producers of inhouse stuff at their price level.

[kaiserphoenix]

But don't IWC now use their own eight-day movement, and doesn't that have a bad reputation for reliability and precision ? Both IWC and Panerei seem to have produced 'in house' movements inferior to the od ETA stuff.

They are all basically designed in the same place and most of them are of JLC design anyway. I have been to both neuchatel Panerai manufacture, IWC, and Lange. IWC and Panerai share alot of designs with JLC. The IWC is a 7 day automatic and it has been vastly improved now vs the older gen. The Panerai 8 day, is eseentially a 10 day which they are marketing as 8 day.

I wouldn't say they are "inferior" per se. But I would say they were not required in all honesty, it was more a ploy to raise prices. Movement wise, particularly the panerai ones are VERY reliable also and features several innovative features.