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    FIFA - Say No to England & Scotland Players Wearing the Poppy

    Should our players wear the poppy and us face a points reduction? I say yes!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37848413

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    If the FA have a backbone they will simply ignore FIFA, and then ignore the resulting fine.

    Failing that, the players should simply reject it and do as they like - free world and all that . Perhaps they should all get tattoos of poppies.

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    Sod Fifa...they are idiots. The respective FAs should just ignore them and do it anyway.

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    Tattoos -even temporary ones - is a good idea. It's a noble thing to give a point up but it would be a travesty if that point meant the difference between qualifying or not.
    And unfortunately poppies are almost exclusively a British thing and thus other FA would struggle to support it and justify it to both their players and supporters.
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    Does it really matter, remembrance day will be the main focus and all sporting events will still have their silence and respect.

    The whole poppy thing is getting very commercial now, seems to be blown out of proportion every year due to some company/person/country showing some perceived disrespect, whereas in most instances it's just the way it is, FIFA have always had this rule about things like this, so why the big outpouring of anger this year, other than papers starting an argument that suddenly turns into a huge nationwide issue.

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    Stating it's political is just daft. No more political than the Respect armbands.

    Greg Dyke has just said they'll wear them. Excellent!

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    does make me chuckle how the 'keep politics out of sport' (media) brigade are so up in arms about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Tattoos -even temporary ones - is a good idea. ....
    On the average appallingly tattood footballer, where would you find the space for anyone to notice? They should sod FIFA and wear the poppy shirts.

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    I wonder how much FIFA want to change their view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruntfuttock View Post
    On the average appallingly tattood footballer, where would you find the space for anyone to notice? They should sod FIFA and wear the poppy shirts.
    You have a point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruntfuttock View Post
    They should sod FIFA and wear the poppy shirts.
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    It's very obviously a political symbol. We wouldn't be having the discussion if it wasn't.

    Unfortunately it's become political to wear one and political not to.

    Wearing poppies at sporting events is a very new thing. We have no tradition of it. Why the press are whipping this into nationalistic frenzy is beyond me.

    I don't wear a poppy for my own reasons. However, I've been to Ypres and attended the armistice service twice. I don't need a paper flower to show my gratitude and I'm increasingly upset about the over commercialisation and mandatory nature of it. Worse still are the Britain First brigade who make and sell their own poppy merchandise that doesn't go to the servicemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    It's very obviously a political symbol. We wouldn't be having the discussion if it wasn't.

    Unfortunately it's become political to wear one and political not to.

    Wearing poppies at sporting events is a very new thing. We have no tradition of it. Why the press are whipping this into nationalistic frenzy is beyond me.
    Nonsense (as usual).

    FIFA have a raft of corruption issues to sort out without issuing edicts about symbolism that clearly is a fundamental part of a nations history, respect and remembrance.

    Personal choice perhaps, I happen to support the overwhelming view that the teams should pay due respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea;[URL="tel:4133038"
    4133038[/URL]]It's very obviously a political symbol. We wouldn't be having the discussion if it wasn't.

    Unfortunately it's become political to wear one and political not to.

    Wearing poppies at sporting events is a very new thing. We have no tradition of it. Why the press are whipping this into nationalistic frenzy is beyond me.

    I don't wear a poppy for my own reasons. However, I've been to Ypres and attended the armistice service twice. I don't need a paper flower to show my gratitude and I'm increasingly upset about the over commercialisation and mandatory nature of it. Worse still are the Britain First brigade who make and sell their own poppy merchandise that doesn't go to the servicemen.
    its political if people want to make it political. Unfortunately it's seems that FIFA chose to make it political.

    At the end of the days it a symbol, which you can argue is actually less political that the flags, national anthems, 3 lions or the cross of st George is. (All of which seems quite acceptable).

    All very strange. But then we are talking about one of the oddest and most corrupt organisations in the free world.

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    Each player should have the freedom of choice to wear whatever he/she wants regardless of who it offends, why do we these days have to tread on egg shells because of people's feelings or beliefs.

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    poppy headbands is the way to go, armbands are soooo yesterday

    Last edited by soundood; 3rd November 2016 at 03:35.

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    They should have just worn them and done it, easier to ask for forgiveness than say please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordystar View Post
    Each player should have the freedom of choice to wear whatever he/she wants regardless of who it offends, why do we these days have to tread on egg shells because of people's feelings or beliefs.
    How many footballers will be wearing a poppy now - going shopping, to training etc? Not many I suggest. They will only 'want' to wear one when appearing on TV or such when they'll be issued with the obligatory poppy (probably FOC) on entering the studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    How many footballers will be wearing a poppy now - going shopping, to training etc? Not many I suggest. They will only 'want' to wear one when appearing on TV or such when they'll be issued with the obligatory poppy (probably FOC) on entering the studio.
    Not many unless they have one on their jammies, as its early in the morning and they will be tucked up in bed

    But you have missed the point.

    Currently FIFA has banned them from wearing one - even if they wanted to.

    What would you think if your employer banned you from wearing one in the office? Of if you were banned from wearing one on the bus. Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordystar View Post
    Each player should have the freedom of choice to wear whatever he/she wants regardless of who it offends...
    The principle is fine, but the reality of that is there are some things that are clearly acceptable, some that are clearly unacceptable and a whole scale of in-between: and somewhere along that scale we all place our tipping point.

    For me, the wearing of the poppy should not be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    Not many unless they have one on their jammies, as its early in the morning and they will be tucked up in bed

    But you have missed the point.

    Currently FIFA has banned them from wearing one - even if they wanted to.

    What would you think if your employer banned you from wearing one in the office? Of if you were banned from wearing one on the bus. Etc.
    I suggest that many football players if they had a choice wouldn't bother. They obviously will 'want' to wear one now because that is what the public (whipped into a frenzy by certain press) demand.

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    FIFA - Say No to England & Scotland Players Wearing the Poppy

    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    The principle is fine, but the reality of that is there are some things that are clearly acceptable, some that are clearly unacceptable and a whole scale of in-between: and somewhere along that scale we all place our tipping point.

    For me, the wearing of the poppy should not be banned.

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    Agree 100%..

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    It's back to the 'too easily offended' discussion that has appeared on other threads. I don't wear one but have no issue with anyone who does, any more/less than I have with someone having a Star of David, Cross or KKK symbol round their neck.

    Personal choice - but sod all to do with FIFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afcneal View Post
    It's back to the 'too easily offended' discussion that has appeared on other threads. I don't wear one but have no issue with anyone who does, any more/less than I have with someone having a Star of David, Cross or KKK symbol round their neck.

    Personal choice - but sod all to do with FIFA.
    Or FA.

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    I'm sure that the Scottish and English FAs will come to an agreement between themselves. Both nations suffered terrible losses and I can see absolutely no reason not to remember and respect those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

    There are lots of ways of paying that respect, however. How about two buglers, one from each nation, playing the Last Post side by side before kick off? But maybe FIFA has a rule against that too...

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    Fair play to the English and Scottish FA's.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386

    Poppies are a way of remembering our dead, they not a political statement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    I suggest that many football players if they had a choice wouldn't bother. They obviously will 'want' to wear one now because that is what the public (whipped into a frenzy by certain press) demand.
    That's a different topic. This topic relates to the fact the FIFA has banned the wearing of Poppy's, Thus denying players the choice.

    The fact that some players might feel obliged to wear a poppy because of media is a different topic I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    That's a different topic. This topic relates to the fact the FIFA has banned the wearing of Poppy's, Thus denying players the choice.

    The fact that some players might feel obliged to wear a poppy because of media is a different topic I would say.
    The FA are also not giving the players a choice but hardly worth another thread.

    Best to keep it all in one place I'd say.

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    Iím so thankful that the FA has found some backbone. Itís a hundred years on from the Somme the bloodiest battle in human history; many professional footballers gave their lives in that and other conflicts.That we can mark the occasion, may at least for one game show some affiliation as a nation for others that made the ultimate sacrifice.
    My grandfather (as many of ours) fought through that terrible war, the effects devastated this nation and shape the 20th century for good or bad.

    Yes the commercialisation has tarnished the ĎPoppyí but thatís just the way of the modern world look at Christmas! But at least we can all agree (on TZ at least) that our fallen are remembered by all in all spheres of our lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afcneal View Post
    It's back to the 'too easily offended' discussion that has appeared on other threads. I don't wear one but have no issue with anyone who does, any more/less than I have with someone having a Star of David, Cross or KKK symbol round their neck.

    Personal choice - but sod all to do with FIFA.
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    Or FA.
    SFA to do with FIFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    The FA are also not giving the players a choice but hardly worth another thread.

    Best to keep it all in one place I'd say.
    You make an excellent point, but you are also assuming that some players might want not to wear a poppy. Or that they are wearing a poppy to help ensure they continue to have marketing opportunities for fizzy drinks, face cream and hair products.

    I am sure that if a player wished not to wear a poppy he could - even the FA are not so stupid to force them. Or would they - dah , dah , dah darrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    its political if people want to make it political. Unfortunately it's seems that FIFA chose to make it political.

    At the end of the days it a symbol, which you can argue is actually less political that the flags, national anthems, 3 lions or the cross of st George is. (All of which seems quite acceptable).

    All very strange. But then we are talking about one of the oddest and most corrupt organisations in the free world.
    Agreed....and if that bumbling/mumbling FIFA official (Fatma Samoura) who said that Britain wasn't the only "country" to have suffered is representative of that body then it's all still one big basket case, IMHO.

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    The public relations disaster that would follow means that they do not really have the choice.
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    I Am Not a Badge of Honour

    I am not a badge of honour,
    I am not a racist smear,
    I am not a fashion statement,
    to be worn but once a year,
    I am not glorification
    of conflict or of war.
    I am not a paper ornament,
    a token, I am more.
    I am a loving memory,
    of a father or a son,
    a permanent reminder
    of each and every one.
    I’m paper or enamel,
    I’m old and shining new,
    I’m a way of saying “thank you”,
    to every one of you.
    I am a simple poppy,
    a reminder to you all,
    that courage, faith and honour,
    will stand where heroes fall

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    Lest we forget what has been sacrificed so we can talk about big boys toys and beat each other up in the pit


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    Yes they should wear them. And if someone scores they should take there shirt off to reveal a massive poppy on a vest. (probably won't get to see the vest)
    I'd also like no fans turn to turn up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    You make an excellent point, but you are also assuming that some players might want not to wear a poppy. Or that they are wearing a poppy to help ensure they continue to have marketing opportunities for fizzy drinks, face cream and hair products.

    I am sure that if a player wished not to wear a poppy he could - even the FA are not so stupid to force them. Or would they - dah , dah , dah darrr
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    According to some members on here, events going back so many years should now be forgotten about.

    As for me I'll be wearing my poppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    James McClean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    If the FA have a backbone they will simply ignore FIFA, and then ignore the resulting fine.

    Failing that, the players should simply reject it and do as they like - free world and all that . Perhaps they should all get tattoos of poppies.
    Remember this. Para-swimming star Josef Craig banned over tattoo?

    Paralympic champion swimmer Josef Craig has been disqualified from a race at the IPC European Championships for failing to cover up a tattoo.

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    Scotland can't really afford the points can they....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    That's a different topic. This topic relates to the fact the FIFA has banned the wearing of Poppy's, Thus denying players the choice.

    The fact that some players might feel obliged to wear a poppy because of media is a different topic I would say.
    It's massively connected to Public Relations and sponsorship though. So political


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    Quote Originally Posted by fergusdunn View Post
    It's massively connected to Public Relations and sponsorship though. So political


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    Nonsense.

    Wearing a poppy is a mark of respect to the fallen during conflict.

    Saying it's political is just utter claptrap.

    FIFA don't have a clue.

    Scotland wore poppies on their kit in 2011.

    It was not political then, it is no different now.

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    Hope they wear the poppies


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcherskine View Post
    Nonsense.

    Wearing a poppy is a mark of respect to the fallen during conflict.

    Saying it's political is just utter claptrap.

    FIFA don't have a clue.

    Scotland wore poppies on their kit in 2011.

    It was not political then, it is no different now.


    Don't get me wrong I will be wearing a poppy. My point is, imagine the outrage if they said "We aren't bothered about the poppy if it means losing points". Think about the sponsorship and media storm it would cause.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy;[URL="tel:4133907"
    4133907[/URL]]James McClean.

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    Had to Google him.

    I have no problem with him not wearing a poppy. His choice until someone makes it a legal requirement that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tritium;[URL="tel:4134019"
    4134019[/URL]]Hope they wear the poppies


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    I hope they wear poppies because they wish to honour those the fought and died, and not because the feel obliged or pressured into it - otherwise it's a hollow gesture and pointless (no pun intended).
    Last edited by Andyg; 4th November 2016 at 08:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fergusdunn View Post
    Scotland can't really afford the points can they....


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    Hahahahaha. Nearly sprayed ma tea! We can afford to lose points as we're never qualifying anyway!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordystar View Post
    Each player should have the freedom of choice to wear whatever he/she wants regardless of who it offends, why do we these days have to tread on egg shells because of people's feelings or beliefs.
    and you believe that each player actually HAS the freedom to not wear it???
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    Had to Google him.

    I have no problem with him not wearing a poppy. His choice until someone makes it a legal requirement that is.

    Sorry if I was his manager I would not play him, my reason would be that he lacked respect for a team/club that supports British values.
    Iím part Irish, my ancestors are Catholic my father is receiving a Catholic funeral but also the service is being giving by a Protestant minister who happens to be my cousin. His dog tag said RC.


    The Poppy is not religious it is a mark of respect to those fell upholding this countries values at that time.

    James McClean needs to educate himself and visit the Irish Tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Tower

    where the North and South fought together on the Somme a 100 years ago nine VCís won there.

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