The unified Rolex in the window thread

[Pan16520]

On which micro demographic? Here? In the real world they are a strong watch and in the trade always in demand if priced accordingly

True but they are more expensive than other steel sports apart from the deep sea line which I think is where there is less margin for the dealers .


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[100thmonkey]

True but they are more expensive than other steel sports apart from the deep sea line which I think is where there is less margin for the dealers .


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Same margin for any dealer, You buy and sell accordingly regardless of Platinum Daytona or DJ

[David_D]

Perhaps they’re popular on the secondary market because they’re only a few quid over retail?

But that means he must be buying in as a good grand or more under.

[fordystar]

Might not be best place to put this but be extremely vigilant when travelling to south of France. Nice Monaco area. We were gassed in our villa and robbed. 3 Rolexes were stolen along with cash. I’ll update serial numbers later. Never thought anything like this would happen to us. Just be careful out there. Organised crime is on another level.


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[Wallasey Runner]

Milgauss pricing is very interesting and I personally believe some in the trade have got it wrong. Before the withdrawal announcement I was looking to buy and you could buy the Z Blue in mint condition, some even fully stickered up for a little over £9k. Following the announcement several dealers withdrew all their listings of Milgauss for sale while they clearly considered how much of a jackpot it was to them.

When the same watches were relisted most were £2k to £3k more expensive than they were previously. Now the same thing happened a number of years back when the SD4000 was withdrawn, they were snapped up overnight and prices went on to double a number of years later.

This has not happened with the Milgauss as loads are available, but the prices have not fallen back yet. A discontinued SD is always likely to cause more of a sensation than a discontinued Milgauss so the key question is, when will the prices return to where they should be.

[100thmonkey]

Might not be best place to put this but be extremely vigilant when travelling to south of France. Nice Monaco area. We were gassed in our villa and robbed. 3 Rolexes were stolen along with cash. I’ll update serial numbers later. Never thought anything like this would happen to us. Just be careful out there. Organised crime is on another level.


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Been popular in France for a few years that, Richard Hammond & Jenson Button to name a few

[Devonian]

Might not be best place to put this but be extremely vigilant when travelling to south of France. Nice Monaco area. We were gassed in our villa and robbed. 3 Rolexes were stolen along with cash. I’ll update serial numbers later. Never thought anything like this would happen to us. Just be careful out there. Organised crime is on another level.
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Sorry to hear that. Hope you are all okay?

I’ve read about that a few times in the SOF and parts of Spain I think in the last few years. Not sure but think it might have happened to Piers Morgan a couple of years ago.

We’ve just had a week near Entibe in a villa and that crossed my mind before going.

[Alansmithee]

I was on holiday in Gran Canaria a couple of weeks ago in a German owned hotel and with most guests being German. The Milgauss was the single most popular Rolex I saw I was quite surprised!

[Pan16520]

Same margin for any dealer, You buy and sell accordingly regardless of Platinum Daytona or DJ

Margin ? Do you mean percentage of purchase price is the same for every watch and that is the margin the dealer works on or does that margin change depending on the watch . As my understanding would be a Daytona in steel would have at least a 100% mark up but Dj would not .


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[100thmonkey]

Margin ? Do you mean percentage of purchase price is the same for every watch and that is the margin the dealer works on or does that margin change depending on the watch . As my understanding would be a Daytona in steel would have at least a 100% mark up but Dj would not .


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No because as a dealer you dont buy a daytona for RRP you buy it 15-20% back from the going rate


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[100thmonkey]

I was on holiday in Gran Canaria a couple of weeks ago in a German owned hotel and with most guests being German. The Milgauss was the single most popular Rolex I saw I was quite surprised!

Germans are not renowned for their fashion sense!

[wileeeeeey]

On which micro demographic? Here? In the real world they are a strong watch and in the trade always in demand if priced accordingly

There’s the dealer get out right at the end Kerry. If priced accordingly.

I sold mine in March and had a hard job getting rid of it. Subdial offered me £8.8k. Was their offer priced accordingly? Wonder which micro demographic they used to try pull my pants down.

[Wallasey Runner]

I sold a watch the other week, that watch is now listed for sale by the dealer for £4.5k more than they paid me. Too be fair, the dealer offered me more than I was asking on SC, so no complaints.

[Pan16520]

No because as a dealer you dont buy a daytona for RRP you buy it 15-20% back from the going rate


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If the sd43’s I’ve seen going for just above list they must be selling below list to trade
Very interesting


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[100thmonkey]

There’s the dealer get out right at the end Kerry. If priced accordingly.

I sold mine in March and had a hard job getting rid of it. Subdial offered me £8.8k. Was their offer priced accordingly? Wonder which micro demographic they used to try pull my pants down.

You said they were unloved, they are very much loved but being slightly larger like the DSSD they eliminate a few buyers compared to the standard main size in the pro sports range. I personally think they are a better buy than a sub or deepsea

[wileeeeeey]

You said they were unloved, they are very much loved but being slightly larger like the DSSD they eliminate a few buyers compared to the standard main size in the pro sports range. I personally think they are a better buy than a sub or deepsea

My favourite two watches by miles are the D-Blue and Sub ND. I had the SD43 and 6 months after I bought it I barely wore it. Not keen on half measures or a fork in the road but appreciate everyone is different.

The case is thin but the caseback is chunky. It needs slimming down a bit there, the cyclops needs removing, then upgrade the sapphire with the AR.

[David_D]

I was on holiday in Gran Canaria a couple of weeks ago in a German owned hotel and with most guests being German. The Milgauss was the single most popular Rolex I saw I was quite surprised!

Wow! Don't think I've ever seen on in the wild.

[noTAGlove]

Might not be best place to put this but be extremely vigilant when travelling to south of France. Nice Monaco area. We were gassed in our villa and robbed. 3 Rolexes were stolen along with cash. I’ll update serial numbers later. Never thought anything like this would happen to us. Just be careful out there. Organised crime is on another level.


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Yikes, a more awful experience I can’t imagine. Hope you and your family are ok. I imagine you are properly shaken up.

[petay993]

The amount of froth in this thread and others is a clear indication that the pent up demand for Rolex is going nowhere. As soon as AD prices approach RRP there will be a feeding frenzy, particularly on SS Professional lines.

And as for this YouTuber and others of his ilk, why do they all look and sound like ex cons. They all present like dodgy second hand car salesmen. Market, market, market......yawn.

Rolex is, unwittingly, developing a massive image problem a la Burberry.

[Wallasey Runner]

Maybe for some models, but a lot of buyers are heavily influenced by ‘asset value’ (rather than investment), knowing that they can easily sell their trinket when the boiler or the Audi needs some serious work. Once that safety net is removed many will fear taking the plunge. Clearly on here there are those who collect £10k-£30k watches for fun and clearly they won’t be worrying about such things.

Just as the money men may be moving on, so will those who worry about the value and instant saleability of their watches. As always, several layers, money men, now hopefully moved on. Those with deep pockets, who don’t give a shit either way and those who perhaps shouldn’t be playing hopscotch in a minefield.

I’ll leave it you to decide which camp you fall into.

[David_D]

The amount of froth in this thread and others is a clear indication that the pent up demand for Rolex is going nowhere. As soon as AD prices approach RRP there will be a feeding frenzy, particularly on SS Professional lines.

If market conditions become such that most flippers are scared off, supply for many models will be much closer to demand. Flippers have been a big part of the demand for a few years now, as witnessed by the number of new models you (still currently) see on eBay, WF, C24, etc.. Not saying that AD windows will be full of Professional models but they might be available with a reasonable wait.

[petay993]

Maybe for some models, but a lot of buyers are heavily influenced by ‘asset value’ (rather than investment), knowing that they can easily sell their trinket when the boiler or the Audi needs some serious work. Once that safety net is removed many will fear taking the plunge. Clearly on here there are those who collect £10k-£30k watches for fun and clearly they won’t be worrying about such things.

Just as the money men may be moving on, so will those who worry about the value and instant saleability of their watches. As always, several layers, money men, now hopefully moved on. Those with deep pockets, who don’t give a shit either way and those who perhaps shouldn’t be playing hopscotch in a minefield.

I’ll leave it you to decide which camp you fall into.

I know that I fall in to the camp that doesn't care about future values. Why would I? I bought what I bought because I considered it affordable at the time and because I like collecting nice watches and Rolex are undoubtedly very nice watches if you like upper middle market, sporty, mass produced icons and are not so taken with high horology.

I have just picked up a Seiko SJE093 62MAS reissue and that has me far more enthralled than any Rolex in my collection. Something about the simplicity, purity and lack of conceit has me hooked.

[100thmonkey]

And as for this YouTuber and others of his ilk, why do they all look and sound like ex cons. They all present like dodgy second hand car salesmen.

Rolex is, unwittingly, developing a massive image problem a la Burberry.

Could you elaborate on this please? What do ex cons and dodgy car dealers have as characteristics and what is the massive image problem it has?

[100thmonkey]

This is one of the dials I want to see in Rolex

[Tom-P]

The amount of froth in this thread and others is a clear indication that the pent up demand for Rolex is going nowhere. As soon as AD prices approach RRP there will be a feeding frenzy, particularly on SS Professional lines.

(Don't follow - how are AD prices not RRP?)

[Pitch3110]

Rolex is, unwittingly, developing a massive image problem a la Burberry.

Really???????? I cannot see that one.

[petay993]

(Don't follow - how are AD prices not RRP?)

Oops, meant grey.

[petay993]

Could you elaborate on this please? What do ex cons and dodgy car dealers have as characteristics and what is the massive image problem it has?

I was speaking metaphorically using examples as a trope. I am generalising that many of the you tube oracles telling us about the Rolex Market both here and in the States appear to me as rather unsavoury characters. Let me cite Paul Thorpe as a sort of central embodiment. I am sure Rolex would never use him as an official ambassador.

[100thmonkey]

I was speaking metaphorically using examples as a trope. I am generalising that many of the you tube oracles telling us about the Rolex Market both here and in the States appear to me as rather unsavoury characters. Let me cite Paul Thorpe as a sort of central embodiment. I am sure Rolex would never use him as an official ambassador.

I am unsure what makes them unsavoury, could you explain?

[petay993]

I am unsure what makes them unsavoury, could you explain?

My perception!

My opinion.

You will have to accept it unfortunately as I am really not invested in trying to educate you.

[100thmonkey]

My perception!

My opinion.

You will have to accept it unfortunately as I am really not invested in trying to educate you.

That’s fine, I just got the impression that you think someone with tattoos and straight talking is not as desirable as someone in a suit well spoken because I can assure you that the most unsavoury people are those who wear a costume and pretend they are delightful to you whereas the ‘unsavoury’ you refer to are in the main some of the best and straightest talking people you will meet.

You have the immaculate Rolex denying you a product you wish to buy in the ivory tower with all the trimmings giving you zero information of f**ks and a genuine straight talking grey dealer explaining exactly how it is right now for the majority of the market and they appear ‘unsavoury’. !! To even suggest that the Burberry effect is polluting Rolex is naive, the Burberry market and profits are made up of a large demographic and they are not all posh and polished types, the same is true of Rolex it is by no means an ‘Elite’ product and believing that or wishing that to be true is ridiculous - My Opinion

[petay993]

Look these are fair points.

My comments were somewhat throwaway and not intended to be picked apart forensically.

I enjoy you contributions on here and am aware you have a lot of trade experience so lets move on and get the thread back on track.

[Hood]

. To even suggest that the Burberry effect is polluting Rolex is naive, the Burberry market and profits are made up of a large demographic and they are not all posh and polished types, the same is true of Rolex it is by no means an ‘Elite’ product and believing that or wishing that to be true is ridiculous - My Opinion

I don't think he was meaning the posh and polished types.
Pretty sure it's the Chav types and Burberry that's being referenced.

I'd also say the tattoo sleeve/half sleeve is as much of a costume as a guy in a suit.

[100thmonkey]

I don't think he was meaning the posh and polished types.
Pretty sure it's the Chav types and Burberry that's being referenced.

I'd also say the tattoo sleeve/half sleeve is as much of a costume as a guy in a suit.

Please dont feel im having a dig i apologise but the chavs or apparant chavs do get a hard time and there are loads of decent ones in the uniform / mould. Indeed I am myself, by appearance, unsavoury

[andybaird22]

That’s fine, I just got the impression that you think someone with tattoos and straight talking is not as desirable as someone in a suit well spoken because I can assure you that the most unsavoury people are those who wear a costume and pretend they are delightful to you whereas the ‘unsavoury’ you refer to are in the main some of the best and straightest talking people you will meet.

You have the immaculate Rolex denying you a product you wish to buy in the ivory tower with all the trimmings giving you zero information of f**ks and a genuine straight talking grey dealer explaining exactly how it is right now for the majority of the market and they appear ‘unsavoury’. !! To even suggest that the Burberry effect is polluting Rolex is naive, the Burberry market and profits are made up of a large demographic and they are not all posh and polished types, the same is true of Rolex it is by no means an ‘Elite’ product and believing that or wishing that to be true is ridiculous - My Opinion

Are you the man in the video….? For what it’s worth as I agree


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[Montello]

Indeed I am myself, by appearance, unsavoury

Never judge a book by its cover.

However, many do which makes me wonder why some people choose to appear in a way that they know will lead to them being misjudged by others.

[tiny73]

Wow! Don't think I've ever seen on in the wild.

A German? They’re fairly common.

[andybaird22]

Never judge a book by its cover.

However, many do which makes me wonder why some people choose to appear in a way that they know will lead to them being misjudged by others.

It would be a sad existence if your whole appearance was based around what others think

Appearance / accent snobbery is quite common.

Live and let live I say


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[Montello]

It would be a sad existence if your whole appearance was based around what others think

Appearance / accent snobbery is quite common.

Live and let live I say


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Agreed, but some people seem to choose to appear in a way which must see them constantly misjudged by others and it must be a constant (tiresome) battle to address such snobbery …

[100thmonkey]

Agreed, but some people seem to choose to appear in a way which must see them constantly misjudged by others and it must be a constant (tiresome) battle to address such snobbery …

Not really i feel sorry for them and their narrow mindness.


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[Montello]

Not really i feel sorry for them and their narrow mindness.

Is there an upside in the situation?

[100thmonkey]

Yeah you don't have to make polite conversation with dull false wannabe fucks

[Montello]

Yeah you don't have to make polite conversation with dull false wannabe f***s

Sounds beneficial. I’ve been fairly mainstream in appearance most of my life but my accent is probably considered lower class or that of someone with less education… but that is easier to switch if necessary.

[100thmonkey]

Sounds beneficial. I’ve been fairly mainstream in appearance most of my life but my accent is probably considered lower class or that of someone with less education… but that is easier to switch if necessary.

My podcast managed to hit 10k views in 4 months without any negative nellies so maybe not everyone is a judgemental snob!

[Montello]

My podcast managed to hit 10k views in 4 months without any negative nellies so maybe not everyone is a judgemental snob!

Sounds interesting, what was it about? Any link?

[Wallasey Runner]

Yeah you don't have to make polite conversation with dull false wannabe f**ks

So that represents your opinion of probably a fair chunk of the forum.

Nice…

[100thmonkey]

So that represents your opinion of probably a fair chunk of the forum.

Nice…

No forum are all middle age normal ish jean wearers with the odd prom queen and showman thrown in. But usually just above average hard working achiever's.

One thing i have learned is in person the forum lads are alright in general.

[Wallasey Runner]

No forum are all middle age normal ish jean wearers with the odd prom queen and showman thrown in. But usually just above average hard working achiever's.

One thing i have learned is in person the forum lads are alright in general.

Clearly the real world and the social media world are in different universes.

[100thmonkey]

Clearly the real world and the social media world are in different universes.

100% true

[Hood]

No forum are all middle age normal ish jean wearers with the odd prom queen and showman thrown in. But usually just above average hard working achiever's.

One thing i have learned is in person the forum lads are alright in general.

I thought that said porn queen and got a bit excited.