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    a pic of the lume ,from there website,I'll take some more when it comes ,the one I'm getting is the very one on the website,which was made in advance to take photos of ,usually there's none in stock as there made to order


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    Lume pic which will hopefully help:



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    Another decent view of the dial:


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    Thanks, it's does.
    Now to get a look at one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    I keep coming back to this thread and lusting over these. I've concluded that the only thing that has stopped me from placing an order is that Lorne isn't offering a non-date version. If he did I would buy it today. Obviously I understand that a "micro brand" may have to standardise its products to a large extent, but I will continue watching for the non-date version.
    At a push I would even prefer one of the earlier date-only versions to the current day-date. For me, having a large rotation of watches where I typically only pick up and wear a piece for 2-3 days at a time at the outside, setting day/date is a faff (although I do it), plus more importantly as a rule I prefer a less "cluttered" dial. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone and if a non-date version could be offered there would be other takers, but obviously given the product's small market I do understand if it isn't viable to offer a non-date alternative.

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    There's something a bit off on the chrono reset pusher. Either it's not seated properly or the knurled finish is a bit uneven. Similar on other pictures too. Dial is nicely done though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordy964 View Post
    There's something a bit off on the chrono reset pusher. Either it's not seated properly or the knurled finish is a bit uneven. Similar on other pictures too. Dial is nicely done though.
    There's reason for everything. The knurling doesn't encompass the part of the pushers that goes into the case when you push them, as doing so would encourage the drag of dust and gunk toward the pusher seals. When pushed the end closest to the crown goes in further than the other end, and so the 'smooth bit' of the pusher is slightly higher towards the crown. This is also why the gap between pusher and case at the crown end is slightly larger than at the other end.

    You can see it on mk1974's number 105 chronograph in the picture below, on number 036 that was in for an upgrade to the OO dial when I was taking pictures (brown strap is nice), and on picture JohnnyE posted, which is my watch sitting on a technical drawing (note the earlier clasp design).

    OO has superluminova hour markers on the dial, in response to one of the comments I used to get that the O dial had no lume. Personally, when a watch is on my wrist in the dark I kind of know where 3 o'clock is so don't really need to be told, but I have to admit mildly glowing markers do look nice. That's also the reason 3 o'clock doesn't have a big 3; we all learned what it was a long time ago.


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    And here's what the pushers look like with no movement or dial obscuring them. The buttons extend toward the crown to provide protection to it without having to put crown shoulders on the case. Also makes a nice size button rather than a small round thing. The best way to do pushers would be without having them penetrate the case at all. Rare earth magnets are powerful enough to do it, but it might be a flawed solution.




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    Good to see you on the forum Lorne. If not a non-date version, could I buy a date-only version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    Good to see you on the forum Lorne. If not a non-date version, could I buy a date-only version?
    You could, as I kept a few dials for possible repairs of O model Field Engineers, but now that I've upgraded most O's to OO's there aren't many of the originals still around so the spares requirement is correspondingly smaller.

    The O dial will fit the date counter of the OO model, and of course the revised hand set.

    There are a lot of differences in the dials though as the below picture shows, including; superlumiova hour markers, the shades of cream and grey, sub-dial and dial marking, higher angle chapter ring (it looks smaller on OO). OO really is the fully fettled version, with all those tiny little things that weren't quite perfect on O all sorted.


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    If anyone fancies a bit of a laugh....


    http://www.watchpaper.com/2017/04/18...-chronographs/

    Photography, web-design, and now interview technique all need to be polished a bit! In my defence though it was 'interview by email' so I provided complete answers to be edited down to fit the required word count. Unfortunately no editing down happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    You could, as I kept a few dials for possible repairs of O model Field Engineers, but now that I've upgraded most O's to OO's there aren't many of the originals still around so the spares requirement is correspondingly smaller.

    The O dial will fit the date counter of the OO model, and of course the revised hand set.

    There are a lot of differences in the dials though as the below picture shows, including; superlumiova hour markers, the shades of cream and grey, sub-dial and dial marking, higher angle chapter ring (it looks smaller on OO). OO really is the fully fettled version, with all those tiny little things that weren't quite perfect on O all sorted.
    I appreciate the reply Lorne and it is looking as if I will have to put my money where my mouth is!

    I get the refinements in the OO dial but I just don't want the extra O. Could you please give me an idea of timescale if I place a special order for an O?

    Can I ask a couple of other things too?

    Is the Roman numeral bezel still available?

    And a Google image search throws up a pic of one of your watches on a mesh bracelet (with a comment from your goodself on a different forum that you weren't keen on the mesh - there's something of a pattern here as I quite like it and would prefer a mesh as the alternative to the leather strap!). My last question (I promise) is whether a mesh will work with one of your deployant clasps.

    Thank you.

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    Just got my hands on this,its a fair chunk,similar in weight to a po chrono,a couple of pics


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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    I appreciate the reply Lorne and it is looking as if I will have to put my money where my mouth is!

    I get the refinements in the OO dial but I just don't want the extra O. Could you please give me an idea of timescale if I place a special order for an O?

    Can I ask a couple of other things too?

    Is the Roman numeral bezel still available?

    And a Google image search throws up a pic of one of your watches on a mesh bracelet (with a comment from your goodself on a different forum that you weren't keen on the mesh - there's something of a pattern here as I quite like it and would prefer a mesh as the alternative to the leather strap!). My last question (I promise) is whether a mesh will work with one of your deployant clasps.

    Thank you.
    Yes to Roman Numeral bezel. A mesh bracelet will fit the case, and possibly the deployment buckle, but I did drop the concept after trying some out and went for the metal link bracelet instead. The main difference will be that a standard mesh bracelet will have straight ends instead of curved and profiled ones, so (personally) I don't think it'll look good and it'll throw the balance of weight off meaning there might be a tendency for the watch to rotate on your wrist.

    Timescale is normally about 6 weeks, but I have movement and rotor 106 on order from switzerland, so perhaps a couple of weeks less. However, mk174 has advised number 105 is running out of time by a mile this morning so he's sending it back for a refund. Out-by-a-mile doesn't fit the within chronometer-standard so I suspect something in the movement has gone astray (swiss build eh!), meaning 105 might be scrubbed and replaced with 106 if mk174 isn't to cheesed off

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    Just an update:

    6.5 years in to production and I've build around 120 Field Engineer chronographs. As you can tell, I like to fettle things to get them as close to perfect as possible, so whilst the current Field Engineer is still very recognisably similar to the original, it does have numerous small changes and 'tinkering' within it. Of course, all earlier Field Engineers can be upgraded to the current spec at cost-price, and like the pics below, many have.

    Recent fettling includes;

    A change to the same butterfly deployment clasp I use in the metal bracelet.

    A compression system underneath the dial that gently compresses the movement in the vertical plane to improve shock resistance from any knocks or drops on the front face. The front sapphire is still recessed 0.3 mm below the bezel which has been very successful as no Field Engineer has ever broken its front glass. A couple of OO spec watches with my replacement day/date arrangement and mechanism did require resetting the day wheel however, as it had slipped after a knock, so the compression system also keeps that in place.

    A couple of materials changes in movement components to move cyclic stress ranges outside their lower fatigue levels.

    Extensive discussion on pistonheads about whether the movement modifications and new day/date system mean it's ethical or not to now call the movement 775M2; 775x family, 2nd Modification set to go into production.

    Front and rear views of Number 036 after an upgrade from O spec to OO-775M2.

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    Any Offshore Professional Engineer Chronograph owners amongst the ranks?






    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    Still rubbish at photos and uploading via image hosting sites!
    Hopefully this worked. Well only in part, I don’t know enough about postimage. Lovely watches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post

    Hopefully this worked. Well only in part, I don’t know enough about postimage. Lovely watches.
    Much better, thank you. Why can tz-uk have an 'upload from computer' option for images? Is it just being tight on server space by making you use a hosting site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    Now you are just showing off... :).

    It does save a lot on server space which is fair enough for a free site with no advertising. No complaints from me.

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    Thanks thats a really interesting watch, and enjoyed reading his website. Bit large for me unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    Much better, thank you. Why can tz-uk have an 'upload from computer' option for images? Is it just being tight on server space by making you use a hosting site?
    Yep, I also consider it a real injustice when a forum I'm spamming doesn't provide free spoon-fed image hosting. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belligero View Post
    Yep, I also consider it a real injustice when a forum I'm spamming doesn't provide free spoon-fed image hosting. ;)
    The reference here to spamming seems totally unwarranted. Lorne is participating in a thread about his own watches that he didn’t even start. In what sense is that spamming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belligero View Post
    Yep, I also consider it a real injustice when a forum I'm spamming doesn't provide free spoon-fed image hosting. ;)
    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft View Post
    The reference here to spamming seems totally unwarranted. Lorne is participating in a thread about his own watches that he didn’t even start.

    Simon
    I see both sides of this argument and wouldn’t call it spamming.

    The phrase “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” does spring to mind however. Calling the site owner tight whilst enjoying some free advertising is bound to rub some people up the wrong way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    The phrase “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” does spring to mind however. Calling the site owner tight whilst enjoying some free advertising is bound to rub some people up the wrong way!
    This is fair comment.

    Lorne, you might want to take note of the fact that members on here are generally (and quite rightly) very supportive of Eddie - and I don't think any of us think he's tight (far from it, actually)!

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    Just paid a visit to your website Lorne and I think your watch is outstanding both in terms of design and spec.

    Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    Just paid a visit to your website Lorne and I think your watch is outstanding both in terms of design and spec.

    Congratulations!
    I could not agree more. If I was in the market for a white-dialled chronograph (and in due course I might be) this would be right at the top of my wish list...

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    I really like it. Had a look at this months ago. My only concern was legibility of the hands on the white dial. Looks pretty robust and I like the exclusivity. May yet make it into my my next top 5 targets.

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    very seriously considering one of these as my next big watch purchase. is there a non date option?
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    I keep coming back to this, more exclusive than most watches, more so than a Daytona with out the price.
    On an aesthetics front, for me personally the Trident on the second hand should point the other way. - ie be at the end of the shaft as carried by Brittania. Not pointing along the shaft (seconds hand)



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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyE View Post
    Not a marketing man myself Lorne.. although I do have a degree in Business and Marketing!.. I moved into ICT and am a software developer / systems analyst and run my own part time web design business outside of the day job.

    Funny thing about doing web design as a hobby turned part time income is that I'm not that needy of marketing either. My day job pays the bills and keeps me and my family comfortable. I take the extra/private work as I get it via personal recommendation (like your watches). People get hung up on design... the latest look.. but I always say this; Look at Google. A white page with one logo. A no nonsense approach because what matters there is that their page is fast and does what is needed - ie. gets results back fast and accurate.

    As a potential customer of one of your watches (bearing in mind I work at websites!) - I didn't care less that your site is home made and a few years old. It won't display easily in my mobile device.. RH edge of the pages is getting chopped off for me... but I wasn't that bothered! Reason?.. its the CONTENT that mattered. If you do want to modernise the site later, your content is spot on (to me anyway). You just need it brought over into a proper, responsive framework (ie. it automatically fits the device - whether tablet, smartphone or desktop pc). You also could do with plugging in Google Analytics too. It gives you a WORLD of business critical info on your site. I wrote a short article a while back on that which may shed light on that for you: http://egewebdesign.co.uk/advice/analytics

    Photos - nice crisp photos will make a MASSIVE difference here for you. There are some RIDICULOUSLY talented photographers on TZ here who do a better job than I've seen on the big branded watch websites. I'll be the first to jump in before the queue!... if you still have that "loaner" mentioned on PH... I'll happily spend some time trying to capture it on camera for you for free. It'll probably end up with me being a grand and a half worse off... but none the less, the offer is there if you fancy my attempt at improving the images on your site.
    Respect to you Johnny and great info from Lorne and all.

    I like TZ for the help the members offer. This is a beacon of that.

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    Spamming my own company on a watch brand thread - Yes, I expect I can be considered guilty, so my apologies to anyone it may offend.

    Supportive of Eddie - Likewise I'm very supportive of Eddie. He's an excellent guy who let me post a direct and blatant 'spam' when the original O series model went into production simply because it was interesting. Over the years I've noticed that very few organisations or media outlets will allow any genuine interest pieces to be published without an obligatory pay-to-be-featured or we'll write about you if you place an (expensive) advert next to the article. Same of course with any watch shows. Such things are simply not possible when you have a production level of perhaps 2 dozen a year and try to maintain as fair and reasonable pricing as possible.

    Anyone that criticises the design or ethics behind the brand - good on them, watch choice is more subjective than the type of car you buy or even the model of wife you marry. I read and reflect on all criticism and sometimes come to the conclusion that it's making a valid point. The reduction in chapter ring size on OO series is a direct consequence of someone saying it was fugly (had to look up fugly and was quite shocked).

    Anyone that criticises the whole brand and ethos - over the years I've given plenty of advice to people who've wanted to build their own watch or brand, and I'm quite happy to continue, so just ask. Brand and ethos are personal choices that I accept not everyone will agree with.

    Final spam on my own brand. www.marinechronometer.co.uk courtesy of the most excellent JohnnyE will be going live in a week or so as Classic Chronographs Ltd transitions to The Marine Chronometer Company. The 775M2 movement is built and timed to cosc chronometer standard and the watches are designed for a marine environment so I think it's a sensible change of name. I guess Bremont and their 'aviation chronometers' might have a little fish snapping at their heels in due course.



    edit: trident being upside down on the main seconds hand. This is an interesting one, particularly as Christopher Ward put the trident the other way up on their watches. My reasoning was that the main seconds hand is the seconds counter for the stopwatch and therefore spends most of its time stationary and pointing upwards, or in my case pointing at the 7 or 8 second mark as I'm a bit funny that way. A trident always pointing down doesn't look good (tried it and trust me on that) and can have an unconscious connotation of a horse-shoe pointing down and all the good luck falling out. Hence trident counterweight configured the way it is.

    another edit: non-date version could be done by gluing a couple of blanks into the OO windows, but it might be a little visible. No doubt one day when I expand the range I'll also offer different configurations, and possibly even a black dial version.
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    Having just had a Bremont e-mail and saw the price at £4800
    Yours is more exclusive more dependable and thus for me more desirable and will be my next purchase.

    As for spamming nah, you are zillions of light years away from Ally et al





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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshiremadmick View Post
    Having just had a Bremont e-mail and saw the price at £4800
    Yours is more exclusive more dependable and thus for me more desirable and will be my next purchase.

    As for spamming nah, you are zillions of light years away from Ally et al





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    The Bremont e-magazine is interesting and very nicely done. This months one shows a multi-axis cnc lathe and milling machine, what looks like in-house manufacture of a movement mainplate, and a nice piece about bringing as much manufacturing as possible into the UK. Combined with the shops and boutiques it certainly adds value and wouldn't have been cheap to do. I'm pretty sure they'll get to the point they can confidently say 100% British.

    Interesting use of a rubber inner movement holder, which is a great way of having a really solid layer of shock absorbing. Material longevity and particles flaking from it may be a future issue though. I went soft copper with a profiling and fixities that allow deformation if an impact is excessive. Similar with their hardened cases, but as hardening reduces ductility it results in more impact load transmitting through the outer case. Each to their own though. Love the knurling, but then I'm a fan of knurling.

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    Well... I kept Lorne waiting WAY too long for this... but I'm very pleased to announce the launch of his new website tonight at https://marinechronometer.co.uk/



    Call over and have a look... it should be a lot easier to navigate now on mobile devices in particular.

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    New website looks very good and navigable on an iPhone Johnny.

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    Very nice job, Johnny.

    You must be pleased, Lorne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft View Post
    Very nice job, Johnny.

    You must be pleased, Lorne.

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    Very pleased. JohnnyE is the nicest and most professional person in the world, and damned good with websites.. Can't recommend him enough. If you look on the About Us page there a picture of his smiling face and link to his website building company.

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    As a good honest Yorkshire man
    I've just asked Lorne for 135 I know it's going to be the first of the new price increase. Hey I can live with that, even if it's for the exclusivity of such a timepiece.
    Does the new strap still have the lovely deployment clasp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshiremadmick View Post
    As a good honest Yorkshire man
    I've just asked Lorne for 135 I know it's going to be the first of the new price increase. Hey I can live with that, even if it's for the exclusivity of such a timepiece.
    Does the new strap still have the lovely deployment clasp?
    I gather its a "yes" on that front... and I can say, it is a REALLY nice clasp. In chatting with Lorne, he explained to me that these new straps will have a 3D printed core, to create the perfect curve - engineered to fit comfortably. The clasp, is placed so as to hold you at the back of the wrist, just where your run of tendons are, in line with the thumb. In practice?... it WORKS! Utterly comfortable.



    Congrats on ordering #135. I look forward to seeing your flag added to the map!! https://marinechronometer.co.uk/inde...e-in-the-world
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    edit: trident being upside down on the main seconds hand. This is an interesting one, particularly as Christopher Ward put the trident the other way up on their watches. My reasoning was that the main seconds hand is the seconds counter for the stopwatch and therefore spends most of its time stationary and pointing upwards, or in my case pointing at the 7 or 8 second mark as I'm a bit funny that way. A trident always pointing down doesn't look good (tried it and trust me on that) and can have an unconscious connotation of a horse-shoe pointing down and all the good luck falling out. Hence trident counterweight configured the way it.
    Lorne,
    My early bad explanation/description.
    I mean aesthetically, in my eyes, the trident with it's three prongs should be at the opposite end of the seconds hand. I.e at the 12o'clock position centre prong at noon. So same orientation but at the top of hand/finger not the bottom.
    (as a trident would be held)


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    It's always upside down half of the time, unless you're in Australia

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    Ooh, Nice! Thank heavens it is 44 mm. If was 40 or less I'd have been all over it!
    A cracking watch I must say. Something very different and interesting.
    LorneG, how did you come up with the logo? The reason I ask is it reminds me of Maserati!

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    LorneG, how did you come up with the logo? The reason I ask is it reminds me of Maserati!
    The Maserati logo is in fact based on the Fountain of Neptune in Bologna's Piazza Maggiore. Similar.... But nothing to do with Britannia.

    Source: https://marinechronometer.co.uk/inde...ometer-company

    Company logo by Britannia. Over 2000 years old, but Britannia, the figurehead of the United Kingdom, still looks good. Her helmet is Corinthian, shield is Pict, the lion's from African and the trident is Roman, tri-dent being Latin for three-teeth, but the girl is all British. She looks good because the ratio of her shoulder height over hip height is 1:0.618, which is the closed-form solution to the Fibonacci ratio. Britannia embodies the notion of ideas and concepts from around the world being bought together into a single coherent unit. It was a philosophy that triggered the industrial revolution and propelled the world into the modern era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyE View Post
    The Maserati logo is in fact based on the Fountain of Neptune in Bologna's Piazza Maggiore. Similar.... But nothing to do with Britannia.

    Source: https://marinechronometer.co.uk/inde...ometer-company
    Thanks JohnnyE! I've learnt something today.

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    Didn't know there were two threads on this watch. I shan't direct this one towards cars though, tempting as the Maserati comment is. The 3 hand running seconds is rather similar to the Mercedes logo though.

    Justy to say that yes, the butterfly deployment clasp will be on the new straps as I sized it specifically for them. Leather thickness through the clasp will be about 3.5 mm (should be exactly 3.5 mm but there's more manufacturing tolerance in hand-made leather straps than CNC steel cases, hence 'about'). In JohnnyE's pic the Hirsch strap has 2 mm thickness through the clasp, so you can see it's slightly oversized for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    If anyone fancies a bit of a laugh....


    http://www.watchpaper.com/2017/04/18...-chronographs/

    Photography, web-design, and now interview technique all need to be polished a bit! In my defence though it was 'interview by email' so I provided complete answers to be edited down to fit the required word count. Unfortunately no editing down happened.
    Would it be possible to see any pictures of the diver's watch you refer to as your first project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasz View Post
    Would it be possible to see any pictures of the diver's watch you refer to as your first project?
    dooh, the perils of an interview by email. interviewer asked for full as possible replies to his questions, which he'd edit down to a sentence or two. only went and put in the complete replies!

    No pictures of the original diver I'm afraid as I wasn't overly impressed with the visual design. Sold half a dozen, but I don't think the owners were all that impressed either as they all went straight for the upgrade to Field Engineer when I introduced it. All diver's returned, and all broken into little pieces as part of 'I wonder how strong they really were'. Quite strong and, yes, every single one destroyed. Taught me a lot about the non engineering part of watch design, and also the importance of making the watch/strap/clasp combination balanced and gently fixed to the wrist so it won't slip or rotate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorneG View Post
    If anyone fancies a bit of a laugh....


    http://www.watchpaper.com/2017/04/18...-chronographs/

    Unfortunately no editing down happened.
    Apparently not a lot of proof-reading either, Lorne, since the article gives the watch diameter as 4mm!

    Simon

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    Having always regretted not getting a Rolex Daytona from Blowers. Mother of pearl white face diamond dots. £6000!
    Now looking at their prices I laugh, otherwise I'd cry.
    But feeling SMUG to say the least, I am getting a more exclusive watch, a more interesting watch, a watch that is British as Rolex once was. Substantially handmade. Bullet proof warranty.
    At a fraction of the cost.
    No brainer to me


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshiremadmick View Post
    a watch that is British as Rolex once was.


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    Que. You're going back a bit aren't you grandad
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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