I would rather wear a Amphibian than a Rolex, so I'm obviously an under achiever too!Originally Posted by burnsey66
Sorry to de-rail, but if this is a serious statement, it’s just plain stupid.
Price aside, two choices, for a sole every day watch.
Vostock or Rolex Submariner.
There is no advantage for choosing the Russian.
(ps: I have several Russian, but only two Swiss)
Anyway, off out to buy a Belstaff jacket.
Out of interest what Russians do you own?
Last edited by barryw; 3rd January 2015 at 12:47.
Which model is the monocoque one?Thanks for that perspective. That is a really smart looking watch!
It does not per definition money take, to proper watch make.
Just back from the UK and my soviet design monocoque tool watch received awe from tech dudes.
Meanwhile my Meranom shipment is in the post office. Can't get to it before Monday, IF on Monday. Tuesday I will be at the coast so probably Wednesday
Agat
Ah, another stupid person from the "army of underachieving followers"
The forum thug will be along presently to teach you the error of your ways
Just curious to know what couple of Russian's he owns as I thought he'd got ridden of his Russian tat.
I resent the term used, I just hate utter rubbish being forced down the throats of others.
However, how a thread on these watches can go on for so long, is anyones guess, but I will stand by by statement, price aside, no-one would choose a Russian in place of a Submariner. Harp on all you want, but any answer to the contrary is simple garbage.
As for what I own, I’m unsure, they’re either at the repairers, or in a drawer somewhere.
Last edited by burnsey66; 3rd January 2015 at 13:11. Reason: Added Vital Information (Yawn)
As to be expected and just as rude as ever
I agree there's no comparison between the two watches, worlds apart in fact and I've owned a sub, it was lovely watch, anyone says different are kidding themselves.What i do like about the Vostoks is the honesty and history of the Amphibians and tool like looks,the way the watch was designed makes them truly unique.I am genuinely interested to know what Russians you own?
Why do we constantly feel the need to put the brand down, I don't go on a Rolex thread to rubbish them so why on here?
Truth hurts.
As for rude, read your posts.
As for show this, that and the other, I can't be bothered. I've not rubbished the watches, it's the whole thing about the comparisons made and the stance some people take. Whatever I say, or show, my point will never reach home, so I'll leave you all to appreciate your watches.
I wasn't aware that liking watches was a binary choice of Rolex or Russian tat. The comparison between the two is ludicrous, I'm not sure why anyone would come into a Russian watch thread with seemingly the sole intention of rubbishing the watches and them running off elsewhere to label us an army of underachievers.
What is it? Insecurity? You need to look down your nose at others to feel that you've achieved something?
Burnsey, every now and again you raise a laugh, every now and again you contribute a gem. Mostly though, you revel in trying to cause conflict.
Perhaps you just bring out the worst in people?
Anyway, many thanks for leaving us all to appreciate our watches
Oh?
And that's one of the tamer quotes.
Also, no one called you any names, you managed to come up with that one all by yourself.
[QUOTE=Papa Hotel;3374245]Oh?And that's one of the tamer quotes.Also,That quote wasn't on this thread. We can all quote out of context.
If you follow my posts here, the point I was making was against Cilla's beating drum, which came to a conclusion half way down page two.
I don't hide behind the fact I think the watches are crap, but that wasn't the aim of my input. That is obvious if you've ever handled one.
Now, I've said I'm done, but others are now fanning flames. But that really is me. Not because I'm without a valid argument, but because I'm having a day out with wifey.
Indeed the Agat:
The 343 192/195 reissues
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...=agat+zlatoust
Four divers
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...=agat+zlatoust
Shocking experience
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...g-lantern-post
The 343 191 original
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...=agat+zlatoust
As you can read in the review, the reissue has a befitting all Russian engine inside which is an on par achiever. I bought one at the low Rubles option as a reserve. It can do for decennia without any attention and then I will have the choice of service or engine swap, either for beer money.
As for the interrude: Imo these watches are for those who don't need a wrist accessory to 'be' whatever. Those who have the freedom to enjoy all of horology on equal terms.
Last edited by Huertecilla; 3rd January 2015 at 14:22.
so although you wouldnt want a rolex you would be happy to own a homage to one?
that seems odd.
Only because you don't know how I got it and because 'you' need to take it all WAY less seriously just like I do. It was given to me as a present by a gf with vanity dial as a joke exactly because of the Bond/Nato/etc image thing.
Here a link:
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...-good-just-FUN
It is a proper watch which I wear with fondness. At present it ticks on a Tropic, which reminds me that I should take a photo of it. Later; at present I am trying to coax the 20th C. pc to download the snaps from the trip to London.
Last edited by Huertecilla; 3rd January 2015 at 14:53.
i should have included a winky smiley or something, i dont take it particularly seriously (although to be fair buying of watches and the research that goes with it does seem to take up a lot of my time online!). i just find it amusing to see such a hater wearing a copy/fake of that which he hates and extolling the virtues which are a copy of that found on the original.
edit:
thats an interesting link and it is interesting about the eta movement too.
Last edited by poppy; 3rd January 2015 at 14:57.
Ah, THAT is where you are going up the wrong trail.
There is no 'hate' not even dislike involved at all.
I think pre say eighties Rolexi quite pleasing watches if one takes the present associated image thing out of the picture. I do not hate that image thing either btw. I just do not want to be associated with that.
The gold print 6538 is for me a milestone model in the image department and as such a GREAT watch to wear a homage to.
For me the gold option marks the transgression from dive tool into the luxury area. When the date with cyclops is added the move is imo complete.
For the rest the HR6538 is imo a very pleasing/satisfying to look at high quality watch which wears comfortable, especially on the Tropic and the ETA is as accurate as is reasonable to expect form anything wiggly spring controlled.
For anything more on the subject I suggest we continue in that thread.
Of course, sorry to all concerned for the brief de-railling of the thread. i think ive learned all i need to though.
Some nice 'under the microscope' shots here ... http://forums.watchuseek.com/f220/vo...cs-806092.html
Thanks for that one.
It pretty much is the definitive answer and the original poster sums it up just right.
Interesting photos it certainly does look rough up close. I had a Konandirskie and a couple of Amphibia's out of all of them I prefer the "scuba dude". There are a few decent rubber straps worth picking up on eBay with colour stitching.
The point being that the movement looks pretty good actually and in the light of the price very, VERY good.
Can't say about the movement but as said print on the face is rough to say the least.
They still look good with my eyes and that's the main thing :)
There is a criterium for the level of perfection; the magnification at which we see imperfections. The good to the average human vision is level zero.
No it isn't the point, that's your opinion something you seem to endlessly confuse as fact. There were 54 photos on that thread many of them of the dial and hands and they looked rough as hell.
Change the record.
Excellent pictures!
It looks pretty good to me
Indeed change the record and get realistic.
Everything looks rough when you magnify it far enough. Even Grand Seiko.
That is why it is good to objectify it a bit.
The modern Russian era Vostok dials are not the sharpest one can buy. No argument there, but what do you expect for beer money and a pretty decent mechanical movement inside. Oh and ALL in house.
You want it sharper? Buy all means, buy something sharper. The vanity dial in my HR6538 alone cost about as much as three Ruble option basic Amphibians. Worth it? The gf paying for it thought so.
Ah but then you have perspective
What does a bicycle race have to do with anything?
Utter rubbish,
I mention a dial you babble on about a movement, you talk of perspective on a watch forum yet can't see the fault in a watch with a poorly made dial?
You endlessly talk about "beer money" Watches (beer doesn't cost Ł30) and "In house". (Zarya are cheaper by the way but don't let that stop you).
Contrary to your delusions you are not the be all and end all of Russian watch knowledge far from it. There are many of us here who have been buying Russian watches long before we had the misfortune to read your endless nonsense about "Real watches"
How about taking that massive chip off your shoulder about Swiss watches so Russian watches can actually be discussed good and bad without your boring one man crusade.
Not very classy Sir
I suggest you look up the Brooklyn Bridge Panerai and see how the base ETA in that was finished.
Your attitude btw illustrates with surgical precision why I want to stay clear of association with modern day Swiss luxury image.
I already know of it thanks and here is the remarkable thing, that gets discussed to this day by watch enthusiasts why? Because they like discussing watches the good and the bad.
Odd thing is when the accuracy of a Vostok or the quality of the dial gets brought up its all "Perspective, beer money". And other pointless sound bites.
You talk of image but it's you who is obsessed with image not someone who has a Swiss watch or someone who has a Russian watch for that matter, I have both thanks. Why else would you bring up Panerai? Why else go on about Swiss watches? Why else try and stamp out any discussion other than "beer money, perspective, real watches"
On a past thread on the Seiko SARB someone mentioned the dial was poor. I have a SARB and you know what I did? I didn't say "Well the movements good, beer money". I went and had a look for myself and asked them to post a photo of the movement. You know why? Because I have an interest in watches not proving some daft point only you understand.
That's not a chip you have its an oak table and chest of drawers.
Slightly OT regarding the Sarb, we're still waiting for photos!
Dial and hands on mine appeared fine even under light.
Nicest Vostok dial I had was a metallic blue but just couldn't get used to the oval type case of it. If it had a round case it would have looked a lot better IMO especially with one of Eddies canvas straps. Lume was also very good and that seems to be a major complaint with Vostok. I seem to have struck lucky as all of mine were pretty good.
FFS, it's only a bloody watch!
It arrived today and looks better than expected. Just waiting on an 18mm NATO to be delivered.....
Very well put.
cheap digital crap lover
Anyway; today I have my freeform SDGA as beater on the wrist.
The dial under the micro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nH7e8CsESc
Here is an excellent Amphibia thread
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/sho...as-491664.html
Thanks.
Here's why the thread was started....
Congratulations!
Looks really cool. Like the nato too!
mine on a sharkskin type strap
Looks good on that NATO!
Certainly worthwhile thinking about a 'boris' bezel and matching insert.
Lovely watch but is this a Komanderskie? The reason I ask is that it doesn't have an Amphibia crown.mine on a sharkskin type strap
Looks great though and lovely colour dial.
Or Amphibia hands. And the case is similar to a 420 but the ends of the lugs are a bit angular.
Edit: Komandirskie 35 case, Amphibia dial and bezel.
Last edited by Papa Hotel; 9th January 2015 at 17:36.
Looking good!
The Nato suits it I think
Agreed.
Mr Velorum didnŽt you order one of the 420 SEs?
IŽd be very interested in your take on it ,if so, when it arrives...
Indeed I did. Last I heard it was at the International postal distribution centre in Moscow. This was on the 5th so perhaps it is a bit nearer today!
I have a brown vintage style leather strap waiting for it
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