Reply With QuoteI'd buy the 268 if I didn't have this.
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I do like Luminors also and next purchase might be Luminor.
Okay, I'll go first- hand up all those who dig Radiomirs
forgetting those who don't like Panerai anyway, I'm putting myself firmly in the 'Yes to Radiomir' camp. I'll even begrudgingly accept the 1940 Rad but admit a preference to wired lugs.
The Luminor (generally the one with the crown guard) has too many non-interesting models that have made it almost a redundant fashion statement- whereas the Radiomir is carefully chosen by it's owner who seeks it out for what it is, rather than what it is perceived to be.
Currently there are two on sales corner (the 268 an absolute steal at the price), what's going on? Is there not enough love for these iconic designs. Why are they seen as a 'lesser' Luminor, when they have the edge with regards heritage, the cushion case, wire lugs, etc. Is the Panerai Luminor fashion dragging down this superior (IMHO) piece?
I'd buy the 268 if I didn't have this.
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I do like Luminors also and next purchase might be Luminor.
Originally Posted by daveyw
Okay, I'll go first- hand up all those who dig Radiomirs
forgetting those who don't like Panerai anyway, I'm putting myself firmly in the 'Yes to Radiomir' camp. I'll even begrudgingly accept the 1940 Rad but admit a preference to wired lugs.
The Luminor (generally the one with the crown guard) has too many non-interesting models that have made it almost a redundant fashion statement- whereas the Radiomir is carefully chosen by it's owner who seeks it out for what it is, rather than what it is perceived to be.
Currently there are two on sales corner (the 268 an absolute steal at the price), what's going on? Is there not enough love for these iconic designs. Why are they seen as a 'lesser' Luminor, when they have the edge with regards heritage, the cushion case, wire lugs, etc. Is the Panerai Luminor fashion dragging down this superior (IMHO) piece?
I like both Radiomirs and Luminors. I think the unusual crown guard design is what draws many to the Luminor as their preference. It is a pity though that some dismiss the Radiomir out of hand, as without it the Luminor may never have happened.
Original Radiomirs had wire lugs indeed, rather vulnerable in the environment they were subjected to. These evolved into the '6154' model or what is now called the 1940 Radiomir. Over time the screw down crown was found to be vulnerable, so again developments created the trademark CG that they still have today.
I can see why some might like the look of one design more than the other but they are inseparable with regard to how and why they both exist.
Never real liked them until I saw one in the world.
Since then have really grown on me. Very understated and relatively good value as they don't seem to be so popular!
A quick picture book
The first case, ref 3646.
The next development, '6154'
Then the '6152'
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Nice pics!!
So which Radiomir in the current offerings is closest to the original?
I love the 292 black seal and would love to own one some day
Nothing in the current line up. The nearest is the 232 SE which isn't so hard to find, a much undervalued and under appreciated piece given its 'DNA' look. Of the Cali dial versions the 249 and the more recent 448 are the two to focus on.
232
249
249 re-issue, aka 448
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Revised the pictures
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Thats what confused me, thought the Cali was the first??
Looking at the PAM website I gather the cali was the prototype?
I am a big fan of Radiomirs but hate the crown guard on the Luminors. I will get a Radiomir one day. Hopefully they will offer more models at 42mm (or even 40mm) like the 337/8.
Theories abound about why, what we call now the Cali dial even exists, double type numbering as a sample and so on. I'm by no means an authority on the brand, there are true experts who know rather more. There is much to read via the internet if you have the time and inclination.
Indeed, the 249 Cali is accredited to 1936 and the 232 to 1938 in the SE back catalogue The so called 3646 case had both dial types though, using primarily Rolex movements of course.
Thanks for the info. Have you had a Cali dial by any chance seeming as you have had a fair few PAMs
Not a real one. I flirted with the idea, even bough a sterile dial (as they all are of course) to try, by way of an homage but sold it, here iirc. Something about them just grates on my desire for symmetry and simplicity.
Well, its the Rads that got me into this forum as I saw one for the first tiem here. Having bought that I've fallen for many other offerings.......never mind I've liked them all. Im hankering after a sandwich dial rad hopefully one day I'll get my act together. The Luminors are attractive but its the simplicity of the rad that appeals
I found the Radiomir more comfortable than the Luminor.
Love my Rad, especially on the strap received from Shadowman this morning :)
PAM190 with Jaeger-LeCoultre cal.1877 for the 8 Days power reserve. This for me defines 'keeper', had it 10 years!
+1 mate, Agree with you 100%.Okay, I'll go first- hand up all those who dig Radiomirs
forgetting those who don't like Panerai anyway, I'm putting myself firmly in the 'Yes to Radiomir' camp. I'll even begrudgingly accept the 1940 Rad but admit a preference to wired lugs.
The Luminor (generally the one with the crown guard) has too many non-interesting models that have made it almost a redundant fashion statement- whereas the Radiomir is carefully chosen by it's owner who seeks it out for what it is, rather than what it is perceived to be.
Currently there are two on sales corner (the 268 an absolute steal at the price), what's going on? Is there not enough love for these iconic designs. Why are they seen as a 'lesser' Luminor, when they have the edge with regards heritage, the cushion case, wire lugs, etc. Is the Panerai Luminor fashion dragging down this superior (IMHO) piece?
Radiomir is one of the best looking watches IMHO.
It was the Luminor that I think sent me on my path to greater watch enthusiasm.
I am also a Radiomir fan - I do like the 232 AND the 190 I really like the look of too.
I did get a 47mm '1940s' case 514 last October and I've become really fond of it.
Definitely.
This is the only Panerai I've shelled out for (so far) and, realistically, the only other ones I'm interested in are also wire lugged rads:
I absolutely love Rads, and of course it's my 268 on SC (yes, it is a steal - I'll keep it if it doesn't sell at the price it is now, and may decide to do so anyway). I've just bought a 337, and am liking the 42mm case on my smallish wrist, but even 45mm wears nicely.
I have to say that I don't quite understand why there's so much more focus on the Luminor range - I think a lot of people are missing out big time.
Agreed.
Not just saying this because I'm the seller of the other Radiomir on SC at the mo, but I always wondered why the 288 is never discussed on forums. It's beautiful and, not being a fan of the crown guard on Luminors, just makes perfect sense to me.
Get yourself a rare and treasured Panerai if you're going to get one at all.
I prefer the 292 black seal because it looks smaller in black
When i first saw panerai, i could never figure out why i liked some and not others, in retrospect i didn't like the rads but liked the luminors
so i got into luminors and then slowly lead the the rads, now i love them, i have 5 made of 4 materials, with 3 different dial designs, i love them and you can make a huge difference to their appearance depending on the strap, anything from a very casual look with vintage leather to a dress watch with gator
i'm just waiting for panerai to release a steel 521, pleaaaaase
I've got the 380 black seal- its a base model, it maybe the poor mans radiomir but i'm happy with it!
Like it,like them all.Wish I could buy one now,Soon for sure, 47mm and no less though
Big fan of the 50mm mechanical vintage ?
These is mine, and i love it. These is on pithon skin belt.
Glad to feel some love in the room!
The 190 was a grail beauty for me
I find the 47mm a bit big
The 42mm is a perfect dress/ business watch size
All far more attractive than any luminor (although recent 372 was sweet)
Rad's have class. Was out tonight and more comments and nods
for my rad, than the half a dozen or so luminors(more than any other one brand by the way-including Rolex and omega)
Radiomirs need more love!
Is there an online crib sheet to understand all the different versions? I'd like 45mm or smaller, sandwich dial, silver or gold hands and ideally small seconds. That rules out the 183, 380 and 210 that I have seen. A 388 was tried last week and I quite liked it, but any others I should be looking at/for?
Ant
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I'm a fan of both and i don't think you can go too far wrong with either,although imho the Radiomir is the more versatile overall.
Nearest to a crib sheet i believe. 'Find your Panerai' at the top of the page http://www.panerai.com/en/
Although the 183's hands aren't metal, I don't think would spoil your enjoyment of the watch or it's look. I know it would be a bit nicer but heh ho- on a budget it shouldn't put you off. the other model you could try and look for but quite rare is a 338. I think it's 42mm and maybe you could look at a specialist panerai/isti
Brilliant thanks. Don't know why I never thought of trying the manufacturer website, duh!
Ant
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