Oh, I do listen John. I just haven't seen anything in this thread which I would buy as a mission timer.Originally Posted by abraxas
Eddie
He never listens to us anyway. :roll:Originally Posted by CPF
john
"The whole purpose of mechanical watches is to be impertinent." ~ Lionel a Marca, CEO of Breguet
Oh, I do listen John. I just haven't seen anything in this thread which I would buy as a mission timer.Originally Posted by abraxas
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
OK then. How about a PRS-MT with the same movement as the PRS-17C, but with a Tutima-esque case style with hidden chronograph pushers? You could have it as an optional lefty and/or an optional rotating bezel as seen on the Tutima Military Nato Chronograph TL and some Commando II versions. Obviously, there would be no constant seconds at 6 as shown in the picture below, but you get the idea. :)Originally Posted by swanbourne
Neither Sinn nor Tutima offer a quartz mission timer with hidden chronogrpah pushers, especially when it is a lefty.
I cant believe I've just read the whole post :lol:
I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
:lol: A perfect example of a design by a committee. :wink:Originally Posted by mr1973
Doxa's new Ultraspeed :wink: :lol:Originally Posted by abraxas
I'm not really bothered about the colour of the chronograph hands or whether the buttons are on the left or right. I don't mind the PRS-17C case, in fact I'm considering buying one. However, I'd prefer a larger case for the Mission Timer.Originally Posted by David@
I'd like one of these too :D
I think it would look better to do away with the register at 6 for maximum clarity. :)Originally Posted by David@
:lol:
Originally Posted by David@
That's more like it. :)
I would order that one, I love the idea of a chronograph diver type.
My original idea wasfor a simple dial swap on the existing 17c with the movement slightly modded to remove the unused sub dials. Seems to have gone a bit OT :lol:
I and even had demanded a quote in Pforzheim of the cost
of that dial-print-swap etc..
:twisted:
Frank
:?:
David,Originally Posted by David@
If you read the thread in its entirety (which is no mean feat given its length :wink: ), you will appreciate that Gunscrossed's orginal (and fantastic IMHO) idea was, and still is, in essence, to have a Precista Mission Timer using the existing case for the PRS-17C chronograph, but sans the subdials. :)
Well I realise that.
Just throwing in some other ideas , for well, discussion :?
I love the original idea.
Sorry, I wasn't sure what post you were referring to. I think that Frank had a quote from a watchmaker for having the movements modified (if necessary) and new dials (minus the registers) in the event that Eddie wasn't going to get this project off the ground.Originally Posted by David@
No probs, I edited my post as I just realised what he was on about :lol: :lol:
Gents,
I may be sounding a bit thick here but what makes a watch a mission timer????? I have seen numerous watches on the net named mission timers and they all have different mechanical set ups, ie some have crown on the left, some on the right, some had Hr, min and centre second hands only, they had different style hands, one had a second hand at 6, some had 2 centre second hands.
See, now you know why I am confused.
Steve
I asked that several pages ago but no-one seemed able to answer. The arrow head on the 17C chrono minute counter seems to do the job very nicely.
Originally Posted by Revolvingjones
This is a Mission Timer. :lol:
Actually there is no answer to your question. It's one of those names we make up and people pick them up and ran along.
The gods are the givers of names. :blah5:
john
"The whole purpose of mechanical watches is to be impertinent." ~ Lionel a Marca, CEO of Breguet
It can mean a few things, but most people would agree that it refers to a chronograph with a minute register that has most, if not all of the other registers removed for the purposes of readability. The best examples of this are the Sinn EZM-1 and the Tutima Commando II. Both of these watches have an eminently readable central minute register resulting from the now discontinued Lemania 5100 movement (the Tutima also retains the hour totaliser at 6). The idea of the PRS-17 MT is to recreate this sort of setup using a quartz ETA 251.262 movement (also has a central minute totaliser) with extraneous registers removed for clarity.Originally Posted by Revolvingjones
A crown on the left is useful for lefties who wear the watch on their right wrist or where the crown and pushers are less likely to get caught up in nets etc when worn on the left wrist.
Of course, a Mission Timer can be created with the Valjoux 7750 movement by removing the running seconds and chronograph hour register. However, the chronograph minute register at 12 (or 6 if you flip it over as a lefty ala Sinn U1000) is not as readable as a a central minute totaliser.
The other option is to use a modular mechanical chronograph movement that has a central minute totaliser. The Dubois Depraz chronograph 2073 module can be piggy-backed onto an ETA 2892 to achieve this configuration. This movement is used by Sinn for their 142 II and by Tag Heuer for their Aquagraph. I've also seen a Nivrel chronograph with this movement. Apart from concerns about the reliability of modular chronograph movements, Eddie confirmed that this movement would be too expensive.
This is a great Idea. I am in love with the stark simplicity of the EZM1 and Commando II.
No sub dials.
1-12 bezel
PVD
....perfect. Keep this thread going.
Welcome to the forum. :)Originally Posted by ranger425
I can get the EZM case but don't know whether I should.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Whooooot???
Oh, now that's something!! :bounce:
Which movements would fit? The one from the 17C?
Frank
You know you should. 8)Originally Posted by swanbourne
Hmmmm, while the EZM case is pretty sweet, and at 41mm a good size for me (been looking at the U series - at 44mm too big though) - 1 hang up exists in my mind - and it seems your Eddie, and that's that the end product would have to be sufficiently different to the EZM to mean you're makign your own watch and not just an EZM rip-off.
Why not?
Would be great for me!The Precista homages do not pretend to be original but they do have the look and feel
of the originals, almost always with superior specification, construction and materials.
Frank
Agreed. EZM case is fine. The dial and hands would be different as they would be derived from the PRS-17C. Thus, it would be a Precista, not a Sinn "homage".Originally Posted by walkuere
Wasn't the original PRS-17/17-C case used by Tutima (and Sinn?) as well as Precista back in the late 1980s? Thus, I don't see any problem with a modern Precista using the same case as a Sinn.
The lugs on the EZM case are quite stubby, perhaps they should be a touch longer.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Maybe so, but I don't have an issue with them on my EZM-1 and EZM-3, or the EZM-2 for that matter. However, the latter may have a different case anyway.Originally Posted by swanbourne
I don't think the EZM case was a Sinn design, it's basically a reversed 103 case.
I had one of the very early 103's, Swiss made but Sinn branded, I think this was from the time when Sinn was having watches made to his design but using some generic cases etc. I might be wrong :?
Thanks for the kind words,
I joined this forum for this watch alone. I own a Commando II and love it. I have eyed the 17c for some time but felt it was not tactical, in a way more dressy... I would hope TF would look at the practical tactical watch buyers and give them one. TF has had their divers, flyboy and mil watches... Lets throw one at some operators and call it good. I'll even sign on as a technical expert for one. (wink ....)
As I said...
PVD
Lefty
1-12 bezel (dual purpose GMT and Hour timer when aligned with the hour hand and chrono's are activating)
MAX LUME
Mine....
Remove the 12 hr counter and add the 12 bezel and it is still as functional and simple... keep the bright high contrast yellow.. it is interesting and unique...
Lets keep it going...
Bill
The Tutima Commando II is a great watch and I have one too. I actually prefer the very rare (if not one-off) version that used the case with the bidirectional bezel as used for the Tutima 750 TL. I believe that a forum member owns one (and that Sanjay used to own it).Originally Posted by ranger425
Does anyone think this is gonna happen? Or are we pissin' up a rope?
Its a cheap and easy version I would believe...
1. New dial
2. Source some model specific hands...
3. PROFIT
Alright, new tactic, I DARE ANYONE AT TIMEFACTORS TO MAKE SUCH AN IMPOSSIBLE AND COMPLICATED TIMEPIECE!!!
I DARE THEE !!!!!!1111!!!1!
Originally Posted by GeoffD
I would buy this one like a shot.
Love Sinn, love the EZM1 just can't afford one.
Make this and put me on the list please :)
Will buy and will "talk it up" in the states....Originally Posted by 11oss
Anyone hear from the TF mods on this watch?
TTT
Can we please have a permanent second hand, but have it blacked out, as in the Sinn U1000?
yes, is there any possibility at all in this?Originally Posted by ranger425
eddie if I beg and pre order?
quartz lefty ezm1 case? wont get caught on the ruck sack strap! yipee water resistance? 12hr or 60min or both? count down or up?
I've just bought a Revue Thommen Lemania 5100 auto, to go with my Revue Thommen Quartz with the same 251.262 movement as in the 17-C. In both cases a lot of the appeal lies in the legibility afforded by centre sweep minute hands. IMO the quartz is a very acceptable substitute for the auto, especially since the quartz is also a very robust movement. I'd be very happy with an homage to a classic Lemania 5100 watch; I still want a permanent second hand, though...
Eddie started a new thread for this below.
http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=64998
PRS66
Id like a DC66 case, quartz, central seconds and minutes, lumibrite lume and countdown bezel.
That's not the same, the idea for this was that it would be around the same price as the PRS17C (on which the design was based in the misguided hope that it would enable it to be produced quickly :lol: )Originally Posted by Lardy
Amen to that!Originally Posted by Lardy
The DC66 case cries out for quartz.
+1Originally Posted by raysablade
It really doesn't. These are different watches.
Agreed.Originally Posted by Gunscrossed