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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    It's slightly more complex than simple installation ... the arbors (axles) of the subdials will have to be removed.

    john
    You are right John,

    but if it could be done to a batch of 20 it could be perhaps calculated in...

    Anybody has a watchmaker perspective on that?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Hm.. I have to bring this great idea up again.

    Last year i talked to a dial maker near Pforzheim (Eddie should have better resources)
    and he estimated something around 90€ for a new dial.

    Of course the the "axes" of the subdials would have to be cut down etc. but I think we could
    generate enough interest for a small run of 10 or 20 done by Eddie himself?

    I know there have been plans for a "Big" MT, but here we could "pimp" a great watch which
    is in stock, case and movement have already been sourced and the technical task
    would be the new dial and adjusting it.

    What do you think?

    Oh, and the name is clear, 17C Mission-Timer, let's not waste time with that but see how
    we can bring this forward. :thumbleft:

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I'm still interested 8)

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I got a quote of about $40 US each to make 10 dials of a single design with superluminova for a total of $400 US

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    jtbold, that sounds very good!

    Allright, perhaps we can list the 10 people interested?

    Perhaps Eddie could let us know if he would be interested or we organize this on our own.

    Anybody has more insight on how complicated it would be to shorten/delete the sub-dial-axes?

    Cheerio Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    the only hard part is that all the dials have to be the SAME design which may be like pulling teeth here.

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Well let's stay with the original proposed by Gunscrossed/GeoffD, no?



    (or even the lefty-configuration?)



    I think that is the finest design, and no date means no hassle with cutting out the
    date-aperture.

    What do you think?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I think the dial markers need more differentiation (triangle at 12 - ? - plus certainly more prominent markers at 3, 6, 9 and 12).

    I have always felt that the countdown-bezel (60-->1) complements the MT's 60-minute chrono perfectly.
    Cheers,

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    You're right Martin, back when this was a hot topic the design that had the widest acceptance was this one.




    Eddie and I also had a conversation about how it might look with the design done as a leftie and the constant seconds left in at 12.


    (no significance to the different case style used here)

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I very much like the strongly differentiated markers on the last design, as well as the orange color (yellow is hard to distinguish from white in low-light conditions).

    12h bezel is o.k., but I still think for the purpose of a "mission timer" (tactical rather than strategic focus, if you know what I mean), a countdown bezel would be more appropriate.

    Don't need the perma-seconds, to be honest. Looks like a compromise ... better to be straightforward and uncluttered. :)
    Cheers,

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

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    On the last design, I like the indices ...

    But scrap the constant secs and the crosshairs. The whole object of the design is to have a clean centre on the dial.

    john

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
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    On the last design, I like the indices ...

    But scrap the constant secs and the crosshairs. The whole object of the design is to have a clean centre on the dial.

    john
    The clean center is not an end in itself ... the crosshairs help the quick reading of the time, hence they could well have a place on a mission timer.
    Cheers,

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Ok the hits are comming nearer!

    Thank you Geoff, that was indeed the design that evolved:



    I am not so keen on the crosshair or the running second, I have to say - keep it simple!

    Crusader, a colour near to orange could be nice BUT for making things more realistic the easiest way
    would be to stick with the given hands and just do the dial-swap and the adjustment to the sub-dial-axes -
    producing new hands would make things more complicated, I suppose?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkuere
    Crusader, a colour near to orange could be nice BUT for making things more realistic the easiest way
    would be to stick with the given hands and just do the dial-swap and the adjustment to the sub-dial-axes -
    producing new hands would make things more complicated, I suppose?
    I have long ago given up the hope that timelines in watch-related issues can be influenced ... The point is: as you enlarge the index markers (good things), the tip of the minute counter will become less and less visible if it is in yellow and over a marker. With the small size of the painted area, one needs maximum contrast of the minute counter against the marker background.

    I don't think painted hands have that much of a lead time (as new hand shapes, or thermically blued hands would, e.g.), but I may be wrong.

    And while we are at it: the bezel could be a bit "grippier" for a mission timer, and one needs to watch the C1/C3 lume color type so that it will be the same on all elements of the watch.
    Cheers,

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    great looking dials proposed but I think the original case used has become too small for it. something in the 40-42mm diameter would be best now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    I don't think painted hands have that much of a lead time (as new hand shapes, or
    thermically blued hands would, e.g.), but I may be wrong.

    And while we are at it: the bezel could be a bit "grippier" for a mission timer, and one
    needs to watch the C1/C3 lume color type so that it will be the same on all elements of the watch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven
    great looking dials proposed but I think the original case used has
    become too small for it. something in the 40-42mm diameter would be best now.
    I welcome your propositions - and the lead directly to an upcoming "Big Mission-Timer" as we have
    it discussed before. That could be a superb watch but I fear we are overshooting the mark of the basic idea:

    a (simple) dial-swap + mini-changes to the sub-dial-axes --> a unique 17-C-MT

    we could stay in an affordable budget ( basic watch + dial 40? USD + 40? USD work) if we could
    organize our semi-custom-MT.

    What do you think?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    What we really need is for a chinese copy of the 5100 to pop up somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtbold
    What we really need is for a chinese copy of the 5100 to pop up somewhere
    That would be brilliant :D

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    Hi, this one got me really interested. Just picked up a 17C, which is great, but the bezel design by Guncrossed / Geoff really works a lot better for me - cleaner configuration, I think.

    If this is likely to go, I'd be in!

    Regards

    Mark

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Any further news on this?

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Dave, absolutely right to remember!

    In the end we need just a new dial and to cut off the sub-dial-axes, no?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by walkuere
    Dave, absolutely right to remember!

    In the end we need just a new dial and to cut off the sub-dial-axes, no?

    Cheerio, Frank
    Pretty much Frank,

    I read the whole thread last night and it seems that Eddie wants to put an all new dial in the PRS-MT, rather than use one from the PRS-17 or another watch.

    I wonder whether Sinn will bring out a quartz EZM-7 with a similar dial layout to the EZM-1, but with the same quartz movement as the PRS-17C in a silicone oil filled case in the same fashion as the EZM-2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timelord
    ...
    I wonder whether Sinn will bring out a quartz EZM-7 with a similar dial layout to the EZM-1....?
    Well that's my point, a PRS-17MT could be reasonable priced and with a reliable quartz-movement,
    clean dial design and a usable size, it would be pretty unique and be the first, Eddie, do you hear? :twisted:

    Cheerio, Frank

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    [quote="Gunscrossed"]Still in search of the ultimate work beater, I miss my EZM-1 but prices are too high to wear one as a beater.
    I'm no photoshop wizard so if anyone can refine these please do!

    How about this...

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    That would work :wink:

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Why a lefty?

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring
    Why a lefty?
    It's the true tool watches' masonic handshake in the 21st century. :wink:
    Cheers,

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker
    How about this...
    No. It looks like a Sinn and not a Precista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCJM
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker
    How about this...


    No. It looks like a Sinn and not a Precista.
    I think that's the idea. I presume that the dial would be in reverse, like the Sinn's

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    that is pretty cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCJM
    No. It looks like a Sinn and not a Precista.
    It's all Precista; case, hands, strap, bezel and black dial. The only thing that's not is the typeface, but as far as I can see in the Precista range there's no constancy in the choice of type style used.

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I would prefer our original design:



    (see the first pages of the thread)

    Let's keep it as simple as possible, please.

    Cheerio, frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker
    Quote Originally Posted by JCJM
    No. It looks like a Sinn and not a Precista.
    It's all Precista; case, hands, strap, bezel and black dial. The only thing that's not is the typeface, but as far as I can see in the Precista range there's no constancy in the choice of type style used.
    I am not talking about the typeface but the overall appearance. - Precista´s are not frankensteins, meaning mixtures of different styles merged onto something new, but new interpretations of old, classical designs. The style here is EZM1, hence the big 12-3-6-9 on the dial do not belong to this design. My take is that of walkuere and I think he pretty much sums it - no reason to tamper with whats already pretty much agreed on.

    Quote Originally Posted by walkuere
    I would prefer our original design:



    (see the first pages of the thread)

    Let's keep it as simple as possible, please.

    Cheerio, frank

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    So what's wrong with just producing an MT version of the 17/17C, which is a great watch.

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by walkuere
    I would prefer our original design:



    (see the first pages of the thread)

    Let's keep it as simple as possible, please.

    Cheerio, frank
    The yellow tip of the minute counter will be obliterated against the white background of the markers in low-light conditions.

    I suggest that the hour markers be moved outside to the rim of the dial.

    Also, a stronger differentiation between cardinal markers and the others is called for.

    :)
    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    The yellow tip of the minute counter will be obliterated against the white background of the markers in low-light conditions.
    That's why we hardcore soldiers/warriors/spec ops/commandos (pick yours please) have desk lamps in our offices :lol: :lol: :lol:
    We can't stop here, this is bat country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    ...........

    The yellow tip of the minute counter will be obliterated against the white background of the markers in low-light conditions.
    I noticed that issue on the pass-around ... just trying to find the damn hand. My solution to the prob would be to cover (at least) half the shaft of the minute totaliser with the yellow paint. 8)

    john

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    would be to cover (at least) half the shaft of the minute totaliser with the yellow paint. 8)

    john
    or better just in plain white?

    Cheerio, Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    ...........

    The yellow tip of the minute counter will be obliterated against the white background of the markers in low-light conditions.
    I noticed that issue on the pass-around ... just trying to find the damn hand. My solution to the prob would be to cover (at least) half the shaft of the minute totaliser with the yellow paint. 8)

    john
    I think day-glow orange as a color choice has much going for it in terms of contrast between dial, hands and markers.
    Cheers,

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    Quote Originally Posted by walkuere
    I would prefer our original design:



    (see the first pages of the thread)

    Let's keep it as simple as possible, please.

    Cheerio, frank
    The yellow tip of the minute counter will be obliterated against the white background of the markers in low-light conditions.

    I suggest that the hour markers be moved outside to the rim of the dial.

    Also, a stronger differentiation between cardinal markers and the others is called for.

    :)
    Speaking of low light conditions, unless the lume (on the current 17C dial) is considerably improved, for example, to the excellent standard on the PRS18, it won't matter what colour the hands are, you won't see much at all unless you charge it with a surefire or something first. The lume is the only beef I have about my 17C. For dusk/night missions I use a Luminox 3400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael A
    Speaking of low light conditions, unless the lume (on the current 17C dial) is considerably improved, for example, to the excellent standard on the PRS18, it won't matter what colour the hands are, you won't see much at all unless you charge it with a surefire or something first. The lume is the only beef I have about my 17C. For dusk/night missions I use a Luminox 3400.
    I agree 100% with this [and also use a Surefire for charging purposes ]

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    I looked on eBay for Surfire and found:
    IT IS SOLD IN DESPITE VERY GOOD MOST EXCELLENT SITUATION SUREFIRE L1 LUMAMAX. I HAVE USED HIM ONLY FOR 15 MINUTE . THEY IS NEWS
    :|

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    Try Surefire 6P (not the LED one)

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    For those not in the know, Surefire is a brand of very bright torch that is often attached to the barrel of a pistol, as rough men in black come pouring into a dirty apartment block to catch and arrest men in the process of planning to execute a significant misunderstanding of their religion of peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring
    I looked on eBay for Surfire and found:
    IT IS SOLD IN DESPITE VERY GOOD MOST EXCELLENT SITUATION SUREFIRE L1 LUMAMAX. I HAVE USED HIM ONLY FOR 15 MINUTE . THEY IS NEWS
    :|
    http://www.surefire.com is as good a place to look as any, at least for background info :wink:

    Oh, I've got the L2, more useful than the L1 in my opinion. Bought it from eBay & saved a fortune.

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    Currently ~£70 on the Bay, plus Duty. I'll save up.

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    Re: 17C 'Mission Timer'?

    What about orange or red instead of yellow?
    Also I think the watch will have wider appeal with crown etc at 3 oclock.
    From a pilots perspective to operate the buttons at 9etc i'd need to push my sleeve back, which isn't ideal.
    Must have bi directional bezel.
    Either way i'd like one.
    David

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    I love that this stuff happens here

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPF
    I love that this stuff happens here
    Where did you think it was happening? :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by CPF
    I love that this stuff happens here
    Where did you think it happening? :D

    john
    The deepest, darkest depths of Eddie's mind.... :twisted:

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