Reply With QuoteIs it like this one that sold for over £1000 on ebay recently? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEWMARK-Fl...p2047675.l2557
Hi all,
Picked up a 'junk shop' find... looks like a PRS5.
Got issue marks and broadarrow but i'm SO not a military collector. If it's not Rolex i know nothing about it!
What is it?
James.
Is it like this one that sold for over £1000 on ebay recently? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEWMARK-Fl...p2047675.l2557
Early 1980s RAF chronograph? Nice find. Sort of around the same time as Hamilton, Precista, CWC.
Identical. It's turning into a good Sunday :)Originally Posted by Lampoc
Hopefully someone with greater specialist knowledge will be along shortly, but I believe the Newmark is the hardest of the four to find.
Good find.
These most definitely are the hardest of the four to snaffle, only ever issued in 1980. One sold for £1400 at the B'ham watch fair earlier this year - prices are spiraling for these. Post some pics? Congrats by the way - fantastic find
Last edited by lewismark; 29th September 2013 at 21:47.
You jammy b****r!!
Rare, certainly, and very collectable. A very nice size, 40mm I think. Valjoux 7733 movement. Issued in 1980 only, as previously said.
Last edited by RABbit; 29th September 2013 at 22:27.
BTW this one had an incorrect pusher fitted which may have led to it going slightly cheaper (in relative terms)
^ So the Ebay one's "incorrect" non-original replacement pusher is the lower [reset] pusher @ 4 o'clock that sticks out further? I can't read the seller's German description of his Newmark chrono, BTW, so that's based on this one I assume is all original > http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...on-chronograph
Quite a find, James. Even if not fully aware of the intrinsic value and collectability of these beforehand, you must have sensed it was special anyway when you grabbed it up
Last edited by Rollon; 30th September 2013 at 04:40.
Not quite-
http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showt...hlight=newmark
I had quite a few CWC, Precista and Hamilton from Anchor Supplies but I only ever had one Newmark.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
To be honest it's wasted on me... I only picked it up as I had a hunch it might have been what the Prs5 was based on. I know your watches are usually inspired by older pieces but in this case I never really knew what the prs5 was an homage to...
And this was cheaper than the. Prs5. :)
I need to get the camera kit out for some other bits so I'll post some pics in due course.
Best,
James
Whilst I am sure there was quite a degree of arm chancing going on and there was a clear indicator of movement down, I was offered one of these by a dealer a few weeks ago.
The opening asking price?
£2,000.
It wouldn't be wasted on me - feel free to pop it in the post
Some nice pictures in this post including one of the four makes.
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...on-chronograph
Hi Lewismark. Could you please clarify that for me because I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the Ebay auctioned [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEWMARK-Fl...#ht_2546wt_958] #484/80 Newmark chrono's non-original and incorrect pusher is the upper start/stop pusher at 2 o'clock and NOT the lower reset pusher at 4 o'clock that sticks out further, stands higher, and does not look like either of #347/80's pushers? [http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...on-chronograph]
Last edited by Rollon; 1st October 2013 at 09:19.
Hi Rollon
its the 4 o'clock pusher that is wrong, too big - most likely a generic replacement
Last edited by lewismark; 2nd October 2013 at 20:52.
Congratulations on a great chronograph!
Thanks, Lewismark. I misunderstood your "not quite-" comment and thought it odd that the 4:00 o'clock reset pusher that seemed to stick out so abnormally far would be the correct one, especially when considering that this watch was designed for banging around the confined cockpits, etc., of military aircraft
Sorry for thoses interested... been a busy week. I'm going to do some pics later so you'll get to see her.
Pushers are all correct on this one but chrono is running all the time and start/stop button stuck so will be going in for work (and a light crystal polish)...
More later ;)
Some pics..... fixed bars (assuming it had them) have been removed at some point.
Will get them put back I think...
Great catch. It will have had fixed bars when it started life but other than that it looks a beauty.
Cracking find - dare I ask how much you got it for?
great pick up, these Newmarks are really collectable and hence rarely come up for sale.
Some pics..... fixed bars (assuming it had them) have been removed at some point.
Will get them put back I think...
Looks great but also like the perfect kind of vintage classic issue watch to wear a lot (i.e. not so pristinely factory original mint that it belonged in a museum more than on your wrist, but easily in vintage "fine" enough condition to enjoy wearing it as much as you might want without worrying so much on every new scratch or whatnot it might endure in "continued service").
And, if I were lucky enough to own it myself, I'd change it back to fixed bars too. BTW, I think your 4th picture down crown/pusher sideshot just above shows that your Newmark originally had the standard issue fixed bars by what looks like round steel dowels filling external holes drilled into the lugs on that side of the case only
Its currently in having its chrono repaired. Have asked for light polish of plexi and to leave the case as it is.
I would be interested in re fitting the fixed bars but I need to decide if its a keeper first....
This watch is definitely not a keeper. You should sell it to me, of course. ;-)
A real beauty - enjoy it if you decide to hang on to it.
Best,
Myron
great pick up, these Newmarks are really collectable and hence rarely come up for sale.
Great picture showing all four makes together for comparison. I assume you own all four of these neat chronos, so may I ask if, as indicated by the picture, the Hamilton actually has larger/wider chrono pushers that stand out farther from the case than the other three makes?
I ask because I would be surprised if the difference shown as to that was just optical illusion. If real though, it is a difference among these makes I had not known of before.
And thanks for showing
A quick photo of my chronos (still looking for the Precista...). The pushers all look to be the same size on mine, the difference in the photo only being due to parallex error.
Now where can I get a 'corrector lever' for a 7733 from?
My watchmaker says they are hard to find.....
A quick photo of my chronos (still looking for the Precista...). The pushers all look to be the same size on mine, the difference in the photo only being due to parallex error.
Thanks on that, RABbit. I had not realized parallax error, as you call it, could visually distort the comparative size of closely identical things placed so close to each other like that, but, obviously, I know little to nothing about the fine art of photography. Regardless, yours and Explorer 1's, along with James' shots of all these vintage classic MOD twin pusher mechanical chronos remind me how much I like and admire these watches
Last edited by Rollon; 28th October 2013 at 11:44.
Possibly the following resources might be of help finding the 7733 part(s) you need:
http://thewatchspotblog.com/?tag=valjoux&paged=2
http://www.scotchwatch.com/valjoux_parts.html
I've heard good things about Richard Askham at the first "WatchSpotBlog" link, and the second "ScotchWatch" linked to is over here in the U.S. and seems on the face of it like it might be a potentially good source for even hard-to-find Valjoux parts.
Then there were these others that looked potentially viable to me:
http://www.perrinwatchparts.com/cat_...tch_parts.aspx
http://www.watchesulike.com/en/503-valjoux-7733-7734
http://www.oscarssparetime.com/servl...NUS-188/Detail
And this site following also had the three reference applicable subsites below it:
http://oldswisswatches.com/Spares/Vo..._Movements.htm
------>http://oldswisswatches.com/images/sp...ages%201-5.pdf
------>http://oldswisswatches.com/images/sp...ges%206-10.pdf
------>http://oldswisswatches.com/images/sp...es%2011-15.pdf
I do not know, but given the apparent once-upon-a-time ubiquity of the Valjoux 7733 movement, and at least the possibility that ETA may until somewhat recently have been, or even still may be to some extent, supportive of this movement with replacement parts, maybe you could check with ETA directly or through your professional watchmaker as I believe the Swiss courts have required Swatch to [temporarily?] cease cutting off the supply to third parties of replacement parts for their movements
Finally, though, James, when I looked through all the schematics and parts lists for the 7733 movement, I never caught notice of a part termed the “corrector lever”. Maybe your watchmaker was applying that name to another part, like the “operating lever” that ^ the above watchesulike site > http://www.watchesulike.com/en/valjo...-ref-8140.html offers, or possibly your watchmaker was thinking of a part necessary for another movement in the series having the date, and etc., complications, but superfluous for the 7733 base movement itself?
Good luck at any rate — assuming your Newmark's internal condition is good or can be suitably repaired by some of the advanced case repair, etc., techniques available, it certainly seems a watch well worth the effort to me
Very kind of you to post in such detail. I'm not sure the watchmaker has used the correct term either as all my searches have come up with nothing. I'm abroad at the moment but when back in the uk I will have another chat with him.
Thanks for your help,
Best,
James.
Go, on tell us what you paid for it!
It's killing me!
Not a chance. I might one day want to sell it... And then I will be accused of profiteering if I sell for a sensible value.
I know what it's like round these parts. :)
Good news... part is found and chrono is fixed. I've left the springbars though... and had to stop the watchmaker from polishing it.
Excellent news, and well done for stopping the polishing!
I think these are a very wearable size, so I hope you enjoy using it regularly.
Stunner. That's what I'd call big time luckCongratulations. I hope you enjoy it.
As a follow up to James' OP, here is the very Newmark after fixing the strap bars, crystal replacement surgery, and cleaning up the hands. At last my Fab Four is complete.
Best,
Myron
Nice group. Where did you get the watch stands?
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
+1 I reckon I could stretch to a couple of those. The stands, I mean. Not the watches. Maybe a new line for the TF shop?
^^ very nice set myron
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
Thanks you guys. The watch stands are indeed very nice. I bought them from a fellow MWR member who goes by the name Halifax. His product's name is the JDM Watch Stand.
Thanks again,
Myron
Great collection and nice to see the restored Newmark.
I have 3 of the 4, looking for a Precista.
Do you have a favourite, and why?
Thanks, Rabbit. For everyday wearability, I guess my fave is the Precista. Or at least that seems to be the one I wear the most often. It's just right, but can't really say why for sure.
Good luck on your quest for a Precista.
Myron
What colour: http://www.tokei.org/cast-planning/goods.shtml?
Awesome collection Myron
Nice Horween straps too!
As a follow up to James' OP, here is the very Newmark after fixing the strap bars, crystal replacement surgery, and cleaning up the hands. At last my Fab Four is complete.
Best,
Myron
Thanks, Andy!
I got mine from ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-Stainles...item1e9149b142
Completely amazing collection of the Fab Four
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