Reply With QuoteI wouldn't buy one because i think they are big and fugly and that thing over the crown wtf is that all about?
Having been knocking around the forum for a little while now I've not noticed much mention of Graham watches, and they seem to be generally absent from the SC.
I've been looking at the chronofighter 1695
http://www.graham1695.com/en-gb/coll...2cxasb02a.aspx
I really like the watch, although can understand that the crown guard may put many off.
Id like to get people's thoughts on the brand as they seem to have a lot of history, and people's first hand experiences if the watches if any.
Thanks for reading
Mike.
I wouldn't buy one because i think they are big and fugly and that thing over the crown wtf is that all about?
The fakes look better than the genuine watches.....
This one at auction didn't make a lot of money
Have Graham really been making watches since 1695? Somehow I doubt it.
Expensive and bleedin' ugly.
I see why they don't get a lot of love.
Go and try one IRL. The quality, fit and finish is fantastic. They use La-joux-perret movements, some 7750 based but heavily modified and decorated.
I didnt like them until I saw a Chronofighter oversize GMT live, unfortunately too big and too expensive for me though.
They're not for everyone though, the Non-COSC Submariner is the watch to get if you want to be patted on the back by "wis". ;)
My thoughts are that I never want to experience one.
Each to their own though.
It would look OK without the ridiculous crown guard thing. I don't know why they're so hell bent on bolting those weird contraptions to their watches.
The best thing about Graham is that they sponsor the TT
Contrary to opinion I love then, I would love to buy One, but round the 1500 mark if that were ever achievable
I now think (and always thought) that Graham timepieces are pretty ugly but really, no one has one on this forum? We need a wristshot in this topic. Surely someone has to like them (at least enough to buy one). :D
I can totally see why people dislike the crown guards, but I think its an alternative to the norm and just a more extreme extension of the likes of panerai uboat or some hublot's ( yes I know a group of pretty divisive brands in their own right). I've recently started to like the graham guards as unusual. But until I actually see one and feel the quality I won't really know if the are any good.
High quality and very ugly
Not for me, not a fan of the bottle opener on the side.
But... one of the fun things about this hobby is that we all like different things.
For me the worst thing is the misappropriation of the Graham name, and claiming some kind of link to George Graham. It is in the same dishonesty camp as Perrelet, and that makes it a reason to avoid.
I think the watches are Fugly too.
David
As said before i really like the chronofighter. That said the watch in this thread would not be my 1st choice.
2nd hand would be the way to go given low residuals.....
Just don't get them
Hi Mike. I have two questions myself about these Graham watches: Who engineered them and what happens the first time you whack the water pump on a door frame?Originally Posted by mikeeb1
I also had a thought where you might possibly find a cultural subgroup in which you might likely find some of its members buying Grahams: Try the Hollywood Film Industry's Actors, Directors, and Producers Guilds' websites if you can search them up because these, 1.) are comprised mostly of Marxists and Socialists, and, 2.) many members have a lot of income.
The underlying basis for the suggestion to focus on that particular cultural subgroup is twofold: They think things that never work out in the long run are the right way to do it anyway; and they themselves have a lot of money to spend.
Good luck, though, because if you do decide to try one of these Grahams yourself, I think it will look a lot better after the water pump comes off if you can live with it until then. Rollon
Last edited by Rollon; 26th August 2013 at 22:32.
Thanks for your comments Rollon. Very constructive.
I take it you are not a fan. I'm glad to see the thread has caused some form of reaction , Mostly dislikes, but a few likes. I like the aesthetics of them because they look a little different, the same way uwerk mb&f and Devon are not to everyone's taste. ( I'm not saying graham are in the same league as these brands) I'm not in the market for one but I just wanted genuine opinion's on the brand and any first hand accounts people may have as they are not talked about or seen much.
I usually find your posts long winded but ultimately knowledge and well informed, i've read that one about 3 times and I'm still not sure I'm picking it up right.....
The V-Channel has been offering a few Stowe models for sale at £5200+.
To keep it simple, Farquare, I think that is one of the stupidous watch designs I have ever seen in my life and I don't just mean as to its cosmetic appearance and being honest about that when opinions on the subject are asked for is ultimately more likely to be of benefit to the potential buyer if it gives him things to consider before rather than after he makes the purchase.
I consider what I said very constructive in that sense and better than just keeping what I see to myself just as if I were walking with a freind and alerted him to the rattlesnake or pile of sh_t he was about to step on --- and, besides, he can always still step on anything he wants to.
Perhaps the political/ideological analogy belonged more in Bear Pit than here, but, like Eddie says, "... it seemed a good idea at the time" (and still does). Rollon
considering the price, size and looks there are many options I would choose first. but each to their own
The only reason to spend money on one of those would be if your name was Graham , and even then you would be better off buying a Corum .
Best mate has just bought a ChronoFighter.
I had a look over it in the pub the other week.
Nice fit and finish, good decorated movement with display back, looks nice on the wrist and feels sturdy.
Not sure on the style of the pusher (but I can't say too much and I've a Breitling Emergency for daily wear).
Was on a cloth strap which I know I couldn't get on with.
A watch with a door handle on the side.
Not for me.
Fffffffffffffffffugly! Lose the toilet cistern handle mechanism on the left and you have a nice watch!
They're different, in the same way as wearing a diving helmet with a Saville Row suit.
I can't imagine how Graham sell so many watches that they can afford high-profile sponsorships, but somebody must be buying them.
Luckily, we're a broad church on TZ, and if it's what the OP likes, who are we to dissuade him? Although if he does go ahead and then come to his senses it may hang around for a while on SC.......
Although no trees were harmed during the creation of this post, a large number of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.
I thought it was a tin-opener?
Agreed. Life would indeed be boring if we all liked the same thing, but I get the impression a lot of people quite like it boring.
Anyway, as with all Grahams, the in-built toilet door handle/can-opener/kettle/grenade/espresso machine (insert favourite droll description here) is what it is, you don't need people telling you they think it looks stupid in order to form your own opinion. I'd quickly get tired of it but happily Graham makes a load of watches without one, like this Luffield, which I quite like in a Chopard Mille-Miglia sort of way. And in a sea of Rolometags, you'll probably never see another one:
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
^ The point I was trying to offer after Mike(eb1) asked for opinions was that the "water pump", as I called it, "fast action start/stop [chrono] trigger", even beyond its, I think, ludicrous "Rube Goldburg" imitating aesthetics, is obviously going to be highly vulnerable to getting bent or broken off in use.
What is even more bizarre to me about it is that Graham would add something like that to an otherwise, I think, classically beautiful, seemingly quite high quality, and apparently very well laid out and engineered pusher-in-the-crown chronogragh.
The only thing I can think of is that, perhaps as an attempt at unorthodox market strategy, Graham wanted to set the teeth of a lot of "traditionalists" on edge like the kid in grade school who, for "show and tell", goes up to the blackboard in class, scrapes his fingernails slowly across the full length of it, turns around and takes a bow, and returns to his seat amid the teacher and his squirming classmates who want to kill him --- all while one or two of his mates think the reaction is funny and think the kid is cool for catalyzing it
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