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More than half a year after the fact, this basically informs those who have already bought one.
What sense makes that???
Last Tuesday on our local crime stoppers program the following footage was shown:
On May the 15th a group of supposedly armed robbers took 7 crates from this DHL-driver when he was unloading his precious cargo, which was meant for a depot of one of the biggest chain of ADs in the Netherlands (Schaap & Citroen). This can be seen at approximately 20 seconds
The boxes also contain ~141 watches and 15 dummy watches (cases only, no movements)
The police know that some of the watches are sold/offered abroad.
Below you will find a list of serial numbers of the stolen watches:
source, if you want to practice your dutch: Opsporing Verzocht
G680306
VI07703
VI07808
G593188
G704453
9385Q882
3M511986
G704772
G639357
0E41D089
9RW50935
0L205709
G354505
J845N853
G454548
P800Z062
G695819
G669008
G64S365
G459033
1U8A1629
G73580
G474516
G474558
V894724
G273138
G491183
G741341
49X757K2
G668486
G670355
G598489
G725311
189P1420
Z2571957
Y62786E7
G725411
G683617
77TS5197
77S85318
G683607
G660730
P1144194
G660723
G604984
G569287
G637007
G674051
Q9491748
G483872
9F637186
G135074
473GF77B
7457D078
G570945
G694397
G667582
Q9258286
845S7806
287937C6
5M920860
G602243
G0C87063
502P07U4
Q6362823
4P0972S3
G641965
G667369
5X062705
95F40200
132124W1
G617070
G617097
N8596677
G378132
G700876
G700795
935V2036
G640845
G720167
S1709179
G657909
L9488204
D345Z693
G642286
776P67E5
G616092
106723R0
67H89739
G584483
253L9220
26P80658
G618417
56D60695
G711266
G711256
G640968
1W077289
9599T437
5879M717
G711324
2X372314
G637364
KA686392
AU307292
G478492
G497581
W47778T3
G648324
G600748
G627630
G562878
G708180
187030L3
S16983X9
5534S653
V879392
V885104
G691094
G708941
G691092
G682355
R7113510
25PU6296
G682365
G563095
G569114
G569123
G563120
XE045489
36L434K2
G624556
U1385703
G661049
G660131
G654999
3L587043
G705642
711272K1
8F30C644
G705631
Last edited by DaanL; 6th December 2012 at 08:23.
More than half a year after the fact, this basically informs those who have already bought one.
What sense makes that???
Firstly, I can imagine not all watches have been sold, if somebody is doing research on a purchase this can prevent them from buying stolen goods.
Secondly, if somebody has information about people selling stolen goods, the dutch police is interested.
Thirdly, the program aired last Tuesday, I can't help the delay, that is due to the authorities.
If I had purchased a stolen watch, I would not feel comfortable about that. If you do not mind, I would suggest not flipping it, since these will always be associated with criminal activities (the cars used in the heist have also been stolen and they blew up an ATM too)
I am not critisizing yoú.Originally Posted by DaanL
No person of integrity will be comfortable knowing to have bought a watch stolen half a year ago. The thing is that bona fide buyers have been exposed to them for over half a year.
Contrary to popular belief it is not thát simple/fast to check whether a watch is stolen and neither is it reliable/up to date.
To mé it seems criminal in itself to expose bonafide buyers to a bunch of stolen watches for half a year and thén make the serial numbers public.
I feel sorry for the bona fide buyers.
What do you realistically expect those to do???
To hand over their precious??
Not flipping?? It is over six months after the fact; they can haven been flipped several times!!
How many Rolexi or other luxury watches are stolen yearly?
How many are recovered?
That leaves an awfull lot of unexpecting owners of stolen watches.
Making public serial numers half a year late is not helping.
The way Í see it, the watch industry/retail chain is supporting the chain. Otherwise it would be simple to check a rapidly updated on line lists of serial numbers of all luxury brands. Apart from Patek it is not.
Potential customers are exposed to the riscs of buying second hand, basically set up, to motivate them to buy in authorised brand boutiques.
Your closing suggestion I find REALY bad. Yes and I am blaming YOU.
All that lacks is you blaming the unsuspecting bona fide buyers of funding terrorism.
Thank you OP... I'm going to save the serials on my phone!!
Forget the eejit from Spain.
Thanks for putting the post up, I am sure it will be helpful..
Cheers
Mike
I've just created a note in my iPhone. Using fast search now allows me to search globally on the phone and it will bring up the note if there's a match. Simples!
I really can't see your issue as always.
I agree with the fact that it is really bad to delay the publication of serial numbers, usually though, they have reasons for that.
All I meant to say that these will be tainted watches, associated with a heist and a few other events, not crime in broad sense..
If you purchased one in good confidence but you find out that it's loot from a heist, the only thing to do is go to contact the police.
Knowingly owning/trading stolen property is also a crime.
Yeah sure it is.
The insurance company will thank you, then send the watch back into the retail system.
You could then buy it again, knowing it is unstolen.
You will feel good no doubt, but I thínk you would have felt better if you would have been able to easily check right after the theft.
Bottom line is that this example illustrates that it is NOT that easy to check whether a luxury watch is stolen.
As is observed time and again one should buy the seller, not the watch.
It basically ´forces´ potential buyers into authorised outlets where you can enjoy the experience of buying.
Hand a watch back that you've already paid thousands for and then buy it again? Wtf are you smoking?
As we say here....you're rippin the pish.
By the way, in the Netherlands there is a website http://www.stopheling.nl/ which lists serial numbers of stolen products (gadgets, cars, watches etc)
An App is also available for Iphone/Android/Blackberry.
So, if you ever are planning a product from a Netherlands-based seller, check the database.
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