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[nutjob1234]

Is a winder a good idea??

I have had a couple suggest the watches are better in their box than the winder. Can the winder do any harm??

:shock:

[Raffe]

The question about whether it makes sense to use a watchwinder or not, and which one is recommended must be the second most discussed question here (after "Name your favourite three watches if money was no concern"). Why is it so difficult to use the search function before posting such basic questions?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=217930
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=219871
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88717
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=221673
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222086
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223264
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223581
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=224411

[AIDM]

Is a winder a good idea??

I have had a couple suggest the watches are better in their box than the winder. Can the winder do any harm??

:shock:

Nutjob - a quick summary based on my own opinion, others [s:17r49b18]may[/s:17r49b18] will differ:

Most 'normal' people only wear one watch, it's on their wrist and winding / running most of the time. Ergo, a winder will not damage your watch.
Lubrication oils like to be 'worked' to maintain effectiveness, so a winder will not damage your watch.

I have seven watches that are worn in rotation, some more than others, but all get some wrist time over the course of say, a month.

I don't have a winder. None of my watches have had any problems, ever. (Touch wood :lol: ) So not having a winder will not damage your watch.

You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Rob

[seadog1408]

Why is it so difficult to use the search function before posting such basic questions?

yes, bloody newbies eh?........ oh, wait a minute, he was here way before you!! :wink: :twisted:

i have seen a couple of your posts like this, has eddie appointed you moderator then??



mike

[simes]

I'd add that I do use a winder for some of my automatics - mostly just the ones I am likely to wear again soon (within a week or so) of taking them off. This is purely because I don't want to reset the day/date (as applicable) every time I wear them. If I don't think I'll be wearing it for a while, then it just gets wiped over with a micrfibre cloth and back in a display box.

TBH you might as well try to canvas opnion on whether it's better to keep them in the dark, or in the shade or in normal daylight to preserve the lume... You'll probably get as many different answers.

I keep mine in a shady part of a not bright room...

[nutjob1234]

The question about whether it makes sense to use a watchwinder or not, and which one is recommended must be the second most discussed question here (after "Name your favourite three watches if money was no concern"). Why is it so difficult to use the search function before posting such basic questions?

http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=217930
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=219871
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88717
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=221673
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222086
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223264
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223581
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=224411

I didn't ask for recommendations on a winder, but perhaps my post was hard to read with my funny accent! :shock:

I asked was a winder likely to cause problems with an auto watch as when talking to Duncan about my PO Chrono he ashes that very question, and when I said yes, it was one with the option to alternate direction he said "that's not just as bad"

Again, if there are any complicated bits you don't understand about the post pm me your address and I'll call round next time I get the chance :blackeye:

[Raffe]

The question about whether it makes sense to use a watchwinder or not, and which one is recommended must be the second most discussed question here (after "Name your favourite three watches if money was no concern"). Why is it so difficult to use the search function before posting such basic questions?

http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=217930
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=219871
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88717
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=221673
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222086
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223264
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=223581
http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=224411

I didn't ask for recommendations on a winder, but perhaps my post was hard to read with my funny accent! :shock:

I asked was a winder likely to cause problems with an auto watch as when talking to Duncan about my PO Chrono he ashes that very question, and when I said yes, it was one with the option to alternate direction he said "that's not just as bad"

Again, if there are any complicated bits you don't understand about the post pm me your address and I'll call round next time I get the chance :blackeye:

I never said that you did. My point is that the question of "if" and "which" winder gets asked about once every week. The above are just some of the threads from the past 2 months which turn up through a simple search for the expression "winder". They cover either one or the other, but even if the original question is about "which", the debate mostly turns to the "if" within the first two follow-up posts.

Again, if you have trouble reading them you might as well pm me your address and I can read them out for you and send you a recording. :blackeye:

Raffe :)

[nutjob1234]

Pmsl........very good ruff! :lol:

Do me a favour then sayin you're so smart, does a winder that alternates direction cause less problems with an auto watch as Duncan would suggest?

:albino:

[Raffe]

Why is it so difficult to use the search function before posting such basic questions?

yes, bloody newbies eh?........ oh, wait a minute, he was here way before you!! :wink: :twisted:

i have seen a couple of your posts like this, has eddie appointed you moderator then??



mike

Mike,

my intention is not to moderate. Maybe I am too tense (and I know it has happened before), but before I ask such a question I use the search.

My intention is not to insult, but I am very curious to read and learn new stuff. Maybe I get put off too easily by repetitions.

Didn't mean to insult. My latest reply to nutjob was supposed to be humerous, hope that didn't get completely lost. Maybe I should focus on football for the rest of the evening....

Raffe

[stooo]

Is this a wind(er) up?

Back on topic... How does a winder change direction? I thought they oscillated, not rotated? My wrist does not do a full 360.

[Raffe]

Pmsl........very good ruff! :lol:

Do me a favour then sayin you're so smart, does a winder that alternates direction cause less problems with an auto watch as Duncan would suggest?

:albino:

Ok, it did get lost. Sorry for that.

If you really ask me: I don't know. I have read numerous discussions about the topic and am leaning to follow the argumentation that watches get wound all the time when wearing them, so what would be wrong with auto-winding them? Others say why would you have a car sitting in the garage with the engine idling if you are not using it.

I do have a watch winder, but hardly ever use it. The only watch where I would consider it is my perpetual calendar, as setting it takes a bit of time. But then it has a seven day reserve, so I manage without. But if one uses a winder, I would argue it should move in as many different directions as possible to emulate natural wrist conditions. For most winders that means bi-directional (even if there are a few with thre-dimensional patterns). Also, there are some movements which are wound in one direction only, which could cause trouble with an unidirectional winder. In any case, I would suggest to adjust the winder's rpm to the specific watch. Watch-specific information can be found here: http://www.designhuette.com/uhrenbewege ... :_:83.html

No hard feelings!

Raffe

[nutjob1234]

Pmsl........very good ruff! :lol:

Do me a favour then sayin you're so smart, does a winder that alternates direction cause less problems with an auto watch as Duncan would suggest?

:albino:

Ok, it did get lost. Sorry for that.

No hard feelings!

Raffe

None taken Raffe, I had a chuckle when I read you second response.

But I'm still curious.....

I have one of the cheap Time Tutelry double winders. It has four (I think) programmed where it will turn the watch clockwise for so long and then stop. After an hour it will then turn anticlockwise for the same period. One of the settings is constant in one direction, and another is constant direction with the breaks.

Same as this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Tutelary-A ... 750&sr=8-8

[Raffe]

I got one like this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/150832343607



Nothing much though, its pretty cheap stuff. They claim a €499 SRP, but most of their auctions finish a good bit below €100 (at least when I bought last year). I paid €71 and I would claim it isn't worth one penny more than that. I can set four different speed and also right/left/alternating. I wouldn't really recommend it.

Raffe

Edit: just noticed, the watches on the picture seem a bit suspicious. The Navitimer is a fake and the Daytona - I am no Rolex specialist but looks fishy to me. Anyone?

[darrenw]

Is this a wind(er) up?

Back on topic... How does a winder change direction? I thought they oscillated, not rotated? My wrist does not do a full 360.

Nope, they simply rotate either clockwise, or anti-clockwise.

So you need find out whether your watch winds only in one direction, or the other, or either.

[Bloobird]

I'm not qualified to comment on whether a winder will harm your watch, though having looked into the subject previously on here, I don't remember there being a consensus on it.

What I can do though, is relate my experience, which is this: you will always, always acquire more automatic watches than you have winder slots for, no matter what winder you buy. At that stage, it becomes something of an arse-ache to keep them all wound up. You will end up with watches all over the place, and lament not having a box big enough to fit them in.

Then, you'll buy a box big enough to fit them in. And your winder will sit empty until you decide to sell it


(*by the way, I have a 2-watch winder going cheap, if you're interested? :D )

[Thewatchbloke]

Pmsl........very good ruff! :lol:

Do me a favour then sayin you're so smart, does a winder that alternates direction cause less problems with an auto watch as Duncan would suggest?

:albino:

When I used to use a winder (I prefer not to now) I kept my speedy triple on one that alternated direction. However it would stop running after about a week or so as the triple (calibre 1151) will only wind in one direction. This was after the watch had a very expensive STS service, I was quite worried the service was defective until they suggested I change the rotation to one direction.

I can't remember whether it had to rotate left or right now though. :)

[nutjob1234]

Righto........I'm getting a feeling I'm not going to get a definitive answer then. That's grand, I'll just work away :)

I thought it might be because all the gubbins was screwed on in one direction in the watches, and if the winder went in the wrong direction it would all come loose and fall into the arse of the case :?

I suppose the ones that alternate direction loosen it all off, but then tighten it back up when turning in the opposite direction :P

[Raffe]

I thought it might be because all the gubbins was screwed on in one direction in the watches, and if the winder went in the wrong direction it would all come loose and fall into the arse of the case :?

I suppose the ones that alternate direction loosen it all off, but then tighten it back up when turning in the opposite direction :P

I think you pretty much nailed the question there. About time we went to the pub and had a good drink or two. :bounce:

Raffe

[WatchScout]

Is a winder a good idea??

Can the winder do any harm??

Yes



:mrgreen:

Unless you have a really really complicated watch, you have no need for a winder.

A winder will only accelerate wear and tear on your watch.

I will not buy a watch, that has been on a winder.

[walkerwek1958]

Is a winder a good idea??

I have had a couple suggest the watches are better in their box than the winder. Can the winder do any harm??

:shock:

Not a good idea IMO. Can`t do any harm apart from increasing wear to the maximum possible rate.....but would you leave your car engine running like this?

Thumbs-down from me.

Paul

[Dave+63]

I always keep my autos on a winder although I can see both sides of the argument.

[lysanderxiii]

Is a winder a good idea??

Can the winder do any harm??

Yes

An automatic watch is designed to be worn continuously between services. If you put a watch on a winder and leave it there it sees no more wear and tear than if you wore it all the time. So, there is no reason why a winder should harm the watch.

However---

Is it a good idea? To that question, I have to say I wouldn't use one, unless the watch has many complications or no quick set date. Even though the wear and tear on the watch is no worse that regular wearing, allowing the watch to run down reduces wear. No wear is better than minor wear, right?

[nutjob1234]

Thanks for the advice guys, duely noted! :wink:

[milesthng]

My autos are on the winder 24/7 when im not wearing! but good info here!

[RobDad]

I've never had a winder, just don't see the point - I've been a 1 watch man and it needed a service after 6 years (when it started losing and gaining time erratically) then I started collecting and rotated watches, some sitting unused for a couple of months between wears - and guess what, most start behaving erratically after 5 or 6 years then need a service. How long does it take to set and wind a watch anyway?

[bonzo697]

Winders are a pointless and often expensive gimmick, and the watch will still stop eventually.

[Barton Red]

Waste of money - it will break long before your watches :lol: