I ask the question because both are obtaining a sale of the back of another manufacturers design.
I'm just a very naughty boy.
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I may have forgot one or two, apppologies.
No - but it will depend on your definition of the two words.
and personal opinion
There is no clear answer.
For example,
Were Oasis a buch of fake wannabe's (fake)
A half decent Beatles tribute band (homage)
or are they musical artists in their own right?
I would say. As as far as I am concerned a fake is something that attemps to to copy something else in as much detail as possible, always at a cheaper price point. As opposed to a homage that is very similar to the origional (a nod to certain design queues) but not an exact copy.
Definitely not fake , an homage is just that...an homage.Most of the more "smart" homages become well-known under their own name/brand and certain individuality. Something that tries to reproduce but with cheaper materials as well as poor craftsmanship is a fake.
Oh great, another fake, homage, replica thread!
yes
It's officially fake when it is using copyrighted signature ("Marina Militare" hommages are fake whereas "non written" dials are not).
Also a homage watch is produced as a tribute to the original watch, and this would be openly admitted. A fake is trying to trick people into buying something which it is not and you are never told the truth that it is a fake!
Always surprised these threads come up when our Host produces some great homage watches himself!
Cheers
My Kingston is not a fake :evil:
Discussed over and over and over, as said before :)
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Originally Posted by OliverCD
OP's probably from somewhere like leeds, to be expected I suppose :lol:
i would say no
Another resounding no from me too. My Chr.Ward Trident, Vixa military, Junkers aviator, Fortis pilot and MKII Vantage are all homages, not fakes.
depends
This again :roll:
If it pretends to be something it's not then yes, it's a fake. But if it isn't branded as the brand that it is paying homage to then, no, in my opinion it isn't.
If they were then all the sub-alikes would be fakes.
But each to their own..... :)
Mark
To be fair, maybe OP used the search box to see if this topic's come up before :lol:This again :roll:
Oh great, another fake, homage, replica thread!
No, its a homage.
No.
Yaaaaaaaawn !
What's a homage?
Is it the same as a hommage, as I see this word sometimes?
Did the OP check to see whether his post was:
1. Original? (no)
2. An homage?
3. Fake?
4. Troll post?
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
No.
Going to vote no, they are however a very handy way of trying out a style (as in my alpha explorer 1 homage)
Perish the thought. :shock:
OP's probably from somewhere like leeds, to be expected I suppose :lol:
Upper Buggersdale Is nothing like Leeds. :P
I'm just a very naughty boy.
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I may have forgot one or two, apppologies.
It certainly does. I couldn't agree more ;-)
Gray
Like a few others here, I think it depends on the manufacturer's intention. If it is to make a sale by way of a deception as to the origin of the watch - then I believe that to be wrong. If it is to produce something in the style of a classic design, without attempting to pass itself off as same, then I think it is alright.
A pastiche rather than an exect replica, if you like.
When I first saw a Mazda MX5, for example, I thought what a nice tribute to Mr Chapman and his team and what a well thought out reproduction of the general engineering strategy of the original Elan Sprint. But, if the car had a "Lotus" badge on the bonnet, and was being sold as a "homage" - I would feel differently.
I won a Getat, which has no dial markings, and would happily own one of Mr Platts "Italian" models if I had the chance - but I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing something with a P****** logo on the dial, unless it was the real thing.
Just my take.
Is this thread an hommage (hear that silent letter) to all the previous hommage vs. fakes threads?
to me it depends what the manafacturers are trying to do, do they make a quality piece, with good materials craftsmanship and a reasonable price tag to go with what one gets, if it is a cheapo varient yes it is a fake.
Simply NO.
Wrong
No.
A hommage is the copy of a style.
A fake is a copy of another manufacturers precise model including brand name etc.
Exactly this. It can't possibly be a fake if it's not faking anything.
A more relevant question, IMO, is whether either is more acceptable than the other. The blatant ripping off of a design leaving only a brand name to differentiate is no better than an out-and-out fake. I don't even think it matters if the quality of said 'homage' is very good if it is very clearly ripping off a known design. I hold these watches in equally low regard, be it a £5 fake Rolex or several hundred pounds worth of Steinhart that blatantly rips the same Rolex design but simply changes the brand name. All IMO, of course.
I do sometimes wish I didn't have this opinion though :( I adore IWC pilot watches but can't justify the cost, but equally can't justify buying a rip off of one.
1. Yes. I did a search, nada.
2. You got me on that one. :D
3. No its real. :wink:
4. Appologies.
I'm just a very naughty boy.
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Essentially they are copies to follow a certain appearance or aesthetics of a well-selling watch.
Using this approach means that the manufacture of a homage saves investment in terms of design.
FMF
Yes - a fake without the brand name.
Si
That's not enough, though, as there are stronger, more relevant, longer-lived and more accepted definitions of the words, and I think that was probably known beforehand.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
IMO yes they are fakes pretending not to be fakes!
At very best they are ridiculous copy cats. People only buy them because they can't afford the real thing!
And that's a crime?
Of course pretending to be something you're not isn't a crime. It's not something to be proud of though.And that's a crime?
But fraud (or faking something) is a crime, so your argument is a nonsense.Of course pretending to be something you're not isn't a crime. It's not something to be proud of though.And that's a crime?
FFS this AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are really puzzled about fake or homage, here's something for you
LOOK UP THE WORDS IN A F**KING DICTIONARY
How the f*** do you know what someone can afford.
My argument was on the quoted post - is a homage, which isn't actually faking something it's illegal to fake, a crime. The answer is no. It's not fraud either. You cannot copyright a design, so copying said design is not a crime, it is not fraud. The moment you slap a brand name onto that copied design you're faking an existing product - that's a crime.But fraud (or faking something) is a crime, so your argument is a nonsense.Of course pretending to be something you're not isn't a crime. It's not something to be proud of though.And that's a crime?
So, in fact, your response is nonsense.
+1I would say
I'd rather wear an hommage than a fake.
LDO. There's still a huge difference between homages and fakes, even if you dislike both.
:scratch:
You might be barking up the wrong tree.
A word of caution; your post might not fly here. You might or might not know, that our host Eddie, makes some very fine watches.
Needless to say, I could not disagree more with your post.
I am an absolute nutter about the PRS-20 for example. They are quality watches not to be confused with some of the cheapos emerging from where ever.
That being said, some make more expensive watches in the same vein.
I have bought PAM and other far more expensive watches. I have sold most, the "Italian" stayed.
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