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    New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Just picked up the Omega Basel Launches 2011 catalogue to check the price of the new co-axel speedmaster moonwatch. I hope your sitting down...it's £5,400.00! That's more than twice the price of the current manual wind Moonwatch. Does the new movement really justify this price?
    Would you buy one?


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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    That's not a moon watch.
    The autos oe co-axials are speedmasters
    The only moon watch is the manual wind

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    I like it. Moon watch is almost my all time favorite - but I just cant live with the poor WR and no date.
    I'll definitley grab one of these s/h whenever they reach SC!! (I agree that the price new is a bit bold though!)

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    That's not a moon watch.
    The autos oe co-axials are speedmasters
    The only moon watch is the manual wind
    + 100000

    and for the price :clown:

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billyloves2boogie
    Would you buy one?
    Andy

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Regardless of the new movements, the New Omegas are SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than the models they replaced. :shock:

    Don't think I will buying BNIB Omega unless there is a hefty discount!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billyloves2boogie
    Would you buy one?


    dial looks very unbalanced. new seamaster with the same movement and dial layout and a lot of writing actually looks better than this.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Don't like it.

    What's the dial at 3?
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    Yet more evidence that Omega have run out of interesting ideas.

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    Is this GMT?

    What's the subdial at 3 o'clock?

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by UKWatchGuy
    Is this GMT?

    What's the subdial at 3 o'clock?
    Minute and hour chronograph counter. Running seconds are on the left. Doesn't really look like a Speedmaster, IMHO; the case is far too large.
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    I like it. Wont be buying one though.
    "Bite my shiny metal ass."
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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by tictac37
    That's not a moon watch.
    The autos oe co-axials are speedmasters
    The only moon watch is the manual wind
    + 100000

    and for the price :clown:
    + 1000000

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billyloves2boogie
    Does the new movement really justify this price?
    Nothing to do with the movement, but purely a marketing decision. Swatch want to move their Omega branded watches upmarket to compete more directly with Rolex, and the price change reflects this (as does the move away from ADs and towards Omega branded boutiques, where they have more control over the display/location/discounts/etc).

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    You don't mess with the classics. This is even worse than the ceramic bezelled Sub.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    I like the look of the watch but I don't like it enough to fork over £5,400...

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    Surely this can be seen as an addition to the Speedmaster line, rather than any sort of replacement. No product with those marketing crudentials would get replaced in a hurry...

    Reminds me of the Speedmaster reduced, but I bet it is a couple of mm bigger!

    Oh, forgot to mention that I like it as well!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    A very pretty well balanced watch and well worth every penny I'm sure.

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    I suppose it's much the same principle as the 'new' Mini, or 'new' VW Beetle....the essence of the original with updated innards.
    Nice looking watch, but I think I'd rather have the original at half the price.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    What Trev said. Of course, Omega are marketing hard with their co-ax movements and certainly putting a lot of focus on the "in-house" calibres as far as I can see. I guess they have to show their whole range "moving with the times", but the original is a lovely thing and I wouldn't have one of these over it.

    As an aside, I am finding the Cal. 8500 in my Omega staggeringly accurate. It loses roughly a second a week, which is far better than I was expecting.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Nope, don't like at all.
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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Rip off!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    All the Swiss makers are at it now, little or no improvements and vastly increased prices for what ?

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by RO-LEX
    All the Swiss makers are at it now, little or no improvements and vastly increased prices for what ?
    Aren't the price increases primarily a product of the Pound/Euro exchange rate, rather than a conscious decision on the part of the watch manufacturers?

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Most modern Swiss watches are '' Emperor's New Clothes.''

    This is a classic example. :roll:

    For the record it is not a patch on the original Speedmaster Professional.
    I'm just a very naughty boy.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by RO-LEX
    All the Swiss makers are at it now, little or no improvements and vastly increased prices for what ?
    Most buyers aren't enthusiasts, hobbyists or collectors they make a one of purchase every few years, or less. They don't compare this years version to last years version and don't know the difference between movements.

    They'll occasionally look in the window of a jeweller and see a Rolex Chrono at 7k beside an Omega Chrono is at 2.5K and assume the Omega it's less than half as good as it's Rolex counterpart.

    Omega obviously think their products match or exceed the competition on technical achievement, quality and brand image so it stands to reason that their pricing should be closely matched too.

    Also with Olympics fast approaching and the Omega logo will be everywhere next summer, further enhancing their brand awareness, which is really the only thing that separates Omega and Rolex.

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    I much prefer the original, the new one is ridiculously expensive

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    No thank you, too big too expensive.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Such a shame.. I think it just looks wrong :(

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    give me old every time..........

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Yikes! :shock:

    Seems not so long ago the RRP on the Speedy Pro was around the £800 mark (the old Navitimer too IIRC). No doubt it's a fine piece but £5400! You could pick up a 105.003 and a 105.012 for that sort of money.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by peter2704
    give me old every time..........
    That's what its about! Omega stop f@@king about with perfection and a great heritage! your not Rolex, your Omega be proud of it!!
    God I feel better now :lol:

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    OP, do they actually call that particular model the moon watch in the catalogue you saw?

    My point being that there are already several variant of the speedmaster in Omega's current range, but only one is commonly referred to as the moonwatch, the speedmaster professional, model 3570.

    I don't mind the different speedmaster models, but I would be so disappointed if Omega changed the look of the moonwatch.... That would be a waste of a great history IMO

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    I wouldnt be surprised if the original moonwatch is discontinued as Im sure Omega would like to stop making that movement and focus on their own inhouse ones that share parts etc...

    The subdials on the new Speedy look all wrong, too small or something.... Not attractive.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    I REALLY like the look of this, however would I pay full whack for it? NO WAY!

    i think the ploprof reissue was a bit high priced and they settle to £3.5k second hand, which is where they should have pitched it in the first place new. Perhaps Swiss watch-houses are taking their cue from Hollywood, disastrous remakes a plenty!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Thanks to the Chinese. They would buy it whatever the price is. You can see all the bug brands are mainly, or indeed only focusing on the Chinese Market now. With all these events, launch and flagship boutique in different cities in China. Looking at the stats, fir many brands, you can see the Chinese maket alone counts for only half of their worldwide sale. In a small city like Hong Kong, there are, I don't know the exact number, but probably about 5 Omega boutiques, plus countless AD, and new ones keep opening. All these shop often get people queuing up outside to get it! Even I'm working in Hong kong now, I still cant believe how rich these people are! Sadly that's bad news for us meaning the price will only go up and they will only care about the Chinese maket.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbymonks
    That's not a moon watch.
    The autos oe co-axials are speedmasters
    The only moon watch is the manual wind
    In the Omega Basel Launch catalogue 2011 page 33 this watch is introduced with the title "Moonwatch Chronograph Omega Co-Axial calibres 9300/9301", from the horses mouth, what can i say.
    For me the only true "Moonwatch" will always be the manual wind, hesalite crystal version.

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    New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    I don't know what all the fuss is about.

    1, This is not a 'moonwatch' replacement.

    2, The current Speedmaster Professional is not being discontinued.

    So all the 'what have they done to the moonwatch' comments are pointless, as are the 'I can't believe they've replaced the Moonwatch with this' comments.

    Yes, it's expensive, yes the dial looks unbalanced and yes, it'll probably be too big but they are not confiscating all the 'Moonwatches' from their owners.

    Would I buy one of these......no chance.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billyloves2boogie
    The only true "Moonwatch" will always be the manual wind, hesalite crystal version.
    Bottom line and end of story.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Not a bad looking watch at all. Bonkers pricing though (but still cheap as chips relative to a Daytona :D )...

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Just more evidence that one is better off sticking to vintage. You could get a really nice collection of genuinely different versions of speedmaster for the cost of one of these monsters.

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    New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Does it have the "First watch worn on the moon" (or something along the line) engraved on the case back of this one?

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    The subdials have something of the teasmade about them.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by esm
    Does it have the "First watch worn on the moon" (or something along the line) engraved on the case back of this one?
    I think it has a domed sapphire back, it may have some engraving around it but not the same engraving as the Moon Watch

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    I like the look of it, will I be buying one, no I don't think so.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    5 and half grand for a moonwatch these watch companys really cashing on recession these days all keep ramming price, rolex are at it again christmas so i heard :shock:

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    Horrid - give me a proper Speedy Pro any day of the week.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by 744ER
    I wouldnt be surprised if the original moonwatch is discontinued as Im sure Omega would like to stop making that movement and focus on their own inhouse ones that share parts etc...
    I wouldn't either. I don't know if the Moonwatch's specific appeal stretches that far beyond the internet (the passion/icon/history cliché) . I've seen one or two of them in the wild but I doubt the owners got all damp-eyed about the Apollo missions and the difference between the 321 and 861 movements etc.

    Re the wording in the Basel brochure... is there an ulterior motive to this gentle fibbing? Omega has picked up a recent habit of binning popular watches from the lower end, which is where Omega used to offer greater value than some other brands, and the Speedmaster Pro is pretty basic and retro, really. So I wouldn't be surprised.
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Just don't like it .. a date on a Speedy seems wrong and the dial looks too small for the case.

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    Re: New Moonwatch-Are they serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbymonks
    That's not a moon watch.
    The autos oe co-axials are speedmasters
    The only moon watch is the manual wind
    +1

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