Clone watches

[barkingsidebob]

afternoon gents,

im new to the site so excuse the ignorance

but was speaking to one of my customers about watches.I work in IT

she said her friend bough a clone rolex off ebay for $49 dollars from america

the watch was so good that the shop could not tell it was a fake

now is it possible for fakes to be that good.can an average joe tell or do do you have to be a specialist to spoit fakes

reason why im asking is ive seen a watch on ebay that i like and now im bit worried it might be a fake ..wouldnt mind paying $50 dollars for it but its going for a lot more at the moment

[Andyg]

Knowledge is power - if in doubt check and always buy the seller, not the watch.

Andy

[barkingsidebob]

funny you say that ..i spotted a breitling at £50 so i placed a bid with 6days left ... 2 minutes later i checked the guys profile and he had 0 previous sales..so i was thinking what if it is a fake

day later i got a message from ebay saying the add had been removed


the add went like breitling 1884 .brand new... made in 1884 lol

[jgeddes]

Its the old adage if its too good to be true ...

[barkingsidebob]

Its the old adage if its too good to be true ...

yeah seems like it..im a fast learner so will be more cautious next time :)

[Tooks]

barkingsidebob (that's an interesting name.... :blackeye: ),

Noone can tell a fake Rolex from a real one at 50 yds. But there has not been a fake made yet that is completely indistuinguishable from a real watch, at least not one that can be almost instantly recognized by a decent watchmaker (or collector).

I've got real and fake Rolexes - and the fake ones are the best I've seen - and although the differences are small they won't fool an expert. You really have to ask yourself why you want the watch, and whether you can live with the inevitable ridicule when it's discovered you're wearing a Polex.

:) :)

Now, I'm not the argumentative sort, but what if somebody HAD made a fake indistinguishable from a real watch?! How would you know then, uh, uh??!! :twisted: :wink: :D :lol:

[barkingsidebob]

barkingsidebob (that's an interesting name.... :blackeye: ),

Noone can tell a fake Rolex from a real one at 50 yds. But there has not been a fake made yet that is completely indistuinguishable from a real watch, at least not one that can be almost instantly recognized by a decent watchmaker (or collector).

I've got real and fake Rolexes - and the fake ones are the best I've seen - and although the differences are small they won't fool an expert. You really have to ask yourself why you want the watch, and whether you can live with the inevitable ridicule when it's discovered you're wearing a Polex.

:) :)

yeah but if an average joe cant tell its a fake than i might be temped to buy one

purely if i went out and someone tried to mug me..id just give them the watch knowing it didnt cost me 3/4k

though thinking about it ..you get designer clothes and i would never wear fake

[Rumex]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

[barkingsidebob]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

[Rumex]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

There's a nice article in the daily mail about this. Was an interesting read. Here's the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... Rolex.html

[ryip88]

Fake watches are for Fake people. My advice is to forget about fakes. What ever your budget, there is a wide selection of genuine good watches around.

[Ron Jr]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

Thousands of dollars. When I worked in NYC (pre-911) I was close to Canal St which is Infamous for selling counterfeit luxury goods. There was one shop that sold fake watches where the only thing not real was the movememnt. Real Rolex case, dial, hands so on and so forth a Sub ran around $2000.00. The only way to tell would be to open it up and even then the ETA movement had been modded to "look like" a Rolex with markings, red wheel and so on. Fooled me they also came with box, paperwork and accesories. And Rolex wasn't the only brand he sold.

Fake watches are for Fake people. My advice is to forget about fakes. What ever your budget, there is a wide selection of genuine good watches around.

Very good advice.

[Blueboy1]

Now, I'm not the argumentative sort, but what if somebody HAD made a fake indistinguishable from a real watch?! How would you know then, uh, uh??!!

That's an interesting point that's quite simply answered - if you were able to produce a watch that was COMPLETELY indistinguishable from a real watch it would actually cost far more than the original. This is because the majority of the cost of real luxury watches is in the quality of the manufacturing process, and only a little in the R & D and promotion.

Additionally it's unlikely that the fakes would be rolling off the production line with the regularity of the real item which would also keep production costs high.

If someone were able to make an automatic watch that could be guaranteed to a depth of 1000 metres without any perceptable damage and retail it for $49.00 they wouldn't have to put Rolex on the dial - they'd make a fortune anyway. :lol:

[kll]

That's an interesting point that's quite simply answered - if you were able to produce a watch that was COMPLETELY indistinguishable from a real watch it would actually cost far more than the original. This is because the majority of the cost of real luxury watches is in the quality of the manufacturing process, and only a little in the R & D and promotion.

Are you saying that more than half of MSRP of a Rolex goes towards manufacturing the watch?

You really have to ask yourself why you want the watch, and whether you can live with the inevitable ridicule when it's discovered you're wearing a Polex.

:) :)

Or may be not quite so bad as whether you can live with the inevitable ridicule when it's discovered you're wearing a real Rolex,
and your not a footballer or new money chav ;-)

There is nothing wrong with spending less than 10% of the price to get something over 90% of the pleasure/benefit.
The value for money choice.

[Rumex]

That's an interesting point that's quite simply answered - if you were able to produce a watch that was COMPLETELY indistinguishable from a real watch it would actually cost far more than the original. This is because the majority of the cost of real luxury watches is in the quality of the manufacturing process, and only a little in the R & D and promotion.

Are you saying that more than half of MSRP of a Rolex goes towards manufacturing the watch?

I don't think he's saying that, otherwise Rolex wouldn't be making any profit, only their dealers would.

[barkingsidebob]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

Thousands of dollars. When I worked in NYC (pre-911) I was close to Canal St which is Infamous for selling counterfeit luxury goods. There was one shop that sold fake watches where the only thing not real was the movememnt. Real Rolex case, dial, hands so on and so forth a Sub ran around $2000.00. The only way to tell would be to open it up and even then the ETA movement had been modded to "look like" a Rolex with markings, red wheel and so on. Fooled me they also came with box, paperwork and accesories. And Rolex wasn't the only brand he sold.

Fake watches are for Fake people. My advice is to forget about fakes. What ever your budget, there is a wide selection of genuine good watches around.

Very good advice.

i done a bit of googling and come across this site

now as a novice.. the features seem to be more or less the same ie 18k solid gold,same weight

as a real rolex

http://www.replicagod.com/daytona.html

how could you tell the difference..??


ALL NEW 2010 GRADE 1
Genuine SWISS MADE
ETA 2892-2 27 Jewel Movement
Frequency = 28800 A/H
Power Reserve = 38 hours
Smooth Sweeping Second Hand
Hacking Mechanism
Quick Date Change
Solid 904L Stainless Steel
(same as ROLEX better than 440 steel)
1 piece forged case construction
Solid 18k gold on 2-tone models
Jubilee Hollow & Pass-Through Type Band
Scratch-proof sapphire crystal
100% correct date fonts
Real 2.5x Date Magnification
New Type date wheel font & size
Large threaded screws on band
Serial and model no. between lugs
One-piece solid screw down crown
Genuine luminox hour markers
Shock resistant movement
True hologram sticker

[Rumex]

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

Thousands of dollars. When I worked in NYC (pre-911) I was close to Canal St which is Infamous for selling counterfeit luxury goods. There was one shop that sold fake watches where the only thing not real was the movememnt. Real Rolex case, dial, hands so on and so forth a Sub ran around $2000.00. The only way to tell would be to open it up and even then the ETA movement had been modded to "look like" a Rolex with markings, red wheel and so on. Fooled me they also came with box, paperwork and accesories. And Rolex wasn't the only brand he sold.

Fake watches are for Fake people. My advice is to forget about fakes. What ever your budget, there is a wide selection of genuine good watches around.

Very good advice.

i done a bit of googling and come across this site

now as a novice.. the features seem to be more or less the same ie 18k solid gold,same weight

as a real rolex

http://www.replicagod.com/daytona.html

how could you tell the difference..??


ALL NEW 2010 GRADE 1
Genuine SWISS MADE
ETA 2892-2 27 Jewel Movement
Frequency = 28800 A/H
Power Reserve = 38 hours
Smooth Sweeping Second Hand
Hacking Mechanism
Quick Date Change
Solid 904L Stainless Steel
(same as ROLEX better than 440 steel)
1 piece forged case construction
Solid 18k gold on 2-tone models
Jubilee Hollow & Pass-Through Type Band
Scratch-proof sapphire crystal
100% correct date fonts
Real 2.5x Date Magnification
New Type date wheel font & size
Large threaded screws on band
Serial and model no. between lugs
One-piece solid screw down crown
Genuine luminox hour markers
Shock resistant movement
True hologram sticker

The difference between the SS model and the supposed Gold model is 50 dollars. So no gold there, probably gold plated.. There's no way they're using 904L stainless steel either.

The ETA-2892 isn't a movement with a chronograph function pre-built into it, so not entirely sure how they're operating the chronograph. Plus there's no chance it has that movement in it anyway.

I'm pretty certain that site sells the exact same replica watches that your friend bought for 49 dollars, just with a much higher price tag.

Basically, if the people who run that site could make a watch with the specs they're advertising, they'd have no need to make replicas. They could make a fortune selling genuine watches with those specs at that price.

People who make fake watches, an illegal activity, use the cheapest possible way to make the watch look like the real thing. Its not like they have to worry about unsatisfied customers because lets face it, what they're doing is already illegal, so a bad reputation is hardly going to bother them and returns are clearly out of the question.

But I think the most important thing is nobody who likes watches, rather than the brand cachet of a watch, would buy a fake. So they're selling to people who don't know enough about watches to appreciate or care about the vast difference in quality, and differences in appearance.

[Blueboy1]

i done a bit of googling and come across this site

now as a novice.. the features seem to be more or less the same ie 18k solid gold,same weight

as a real rolex

http://www.replicagod.com/daytona.html

how could you tell the difference..??

Try this for starters -

http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html :P

[Chris_in_the_UK]

[aldfort]

+1

- barkingside - we don't do fakes here. Sterile Hommage is acceptable to some on this board but we don't like fake. There are forums who cater for fakes if you look and they will know much more about the good fakes and the bad ones that are out there. :)

[Andyg]

LOL :lol: :lol:

People got to learn :D

The problem is there is no definitive answer - just as you learn something, the fakers change it and then you have to look for the next "tell".

Unless you have hours and hours of time and a pretty large collection of gen watches I suggest you buy you Rolex's from dealers or people you trust - end of!

Andy :D

[seikopath]

give the guy a break chris ...."A friendly place to discuss watches without oppressive moderation"??

[Chris_in_the_UK]

give the guy a break chris ...."A friendly place to discuss watches without oppressive moderation"??

I agree - but this is a weekly occurrence!

[NJH]

+1, its amazing how often this comes around and yet ppl still do not join the dots and understand what a load of bull it all is. As was said earlier in the thread to build something in tiny numbers or as a one off that is properly convincing will cost a lot of money. More then buying a decent quality watch.

If we want to get serious about this topic for once the areas to learn about and understands are things like:
- Genuine watch with aftermarket/fake box and papers to bump value
- Genuine watch with aftermarket/fake replacement parts such as bracelets etc. again to bump value
- Genuine parts mixed with new or aftermarket fake parts to make ultra desirable real collectors items, take your pick from any number of rare Rolex or mil watches for this one

These are all the sorts of things that worry me and can and do catch ppl out, especially in the world of the ultra rare mil watches such Blancpain FF's etc.

[barkingsidebob]

oops didnt think id open a can of worms








thanks for the advise though lads..much appreciated

[sangman]

Had this experience a while back viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59784

[ktmog6uk]

interesting read. nice to see paypal embarrased into doing something! i wonder if this journalist should be pointed at the thousands of fakes on fleabay?

If the watch cost 49 dollars, its probably not too hard to tell it apart from the real thing.

how much does a good fake cost than ???

There's a nice article in the daily mail about this. Was an interesting read. Here's the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... Rolex.html

[NJH]

interesting read. nice to see paypal embarrased into doing something!

There's a nice article in the daily mail about this. Was an interesting read. Here's the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... Rolex.html

It is interesting but still full of misleading inaccuracies. So the ratcheting bezel doesn't make any ratcheting sound? Ummm. I am pretty convinced now that this legendary 'Rolex sweep' is a load of legendary codswallop as well. Looking at the secondhand of my SD moving round its smooth OK but you can still see its a series of small ticks, not much different to any other decent quality swiss movement watch. There are some massive differences though to any ETA powered watch I have owned :wink: . Maybe I should do a little article or something on this as even Peter Millar in his famous dissection of a fake SD versus real SD missed the blindingly obvious thing about the real SD that is almost impossible to fake, you can even see it standing out like a mile in his pictures.

[Tooks]

Now, I'm not the argumentative sort, but what if somebody HAD made a fake indistinguishable from a real watch?! How would you know then, uh, uh??!!

This is because the majority of the cost of real luxury watches is in the quality of the manufacturing process, and only a little in the R & D and promotion.

Ok, just in case you missed it, my comment was meant to be lighthearted... :)

But, I just have to take issue with your comment above, the cost of a Rolex, or any other top end watch, is not caused by the manufacturing cost. Rolex would like you to believe that, they really would, but there is a huge premium because it's, well, a Rolex! And very desirable they are too.

[Karl]

Bob, your better off asking this sort of thing on a site like repgeek.

[M4tt]

With vintage watches original movements get put into fake cases and then the fun really starts. Here's a Tudor that I got burned by a while back.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread ... ight=tudor

I'm not much of a Rolex (or Tudor) expert, but like to think I am pretty good at Omega and I simply wouldn't dare buy an old Omega SM300 any more.

With modern stuff the movement is the most significant give away.

[Neil.C]

she said her friend bough a clone rolex off ebay for $49 dollars from america

the watch was so good that the shop could not tell it was a fake

:lol: :lol: :lol:

What shop did her "friend" take it to? Tescos? :lol: :lol:

Fake watches are for losers, there are plenty of decently priced quality watches about without resorting to trying to emulate something you can't/won't pay for.

Stick around and you'll learn stuff. :)

[640Samuel]

There are some really good fakes with swiss movement and stainless cases etc ... there are also some pretty awful fakes. I suspect if it cost $49.00 it was of the awful variety, and the shop in which said proprietor couldn't tell the difference was in fact a chip shop (or Ernest Jones) :roll: When it comes to fake rolexes, a few hours spent researching on the net will arm you with a pretty good selection of tools for recognizing the moody watches....

[boddah]

[116520]

Scary, but I've seen people caught out

[rotate]

purely if i went out and someone tried to mug me..id just give them the watch knowing it didnt cost me 3/4k

My mate was mugged, after being punched and kicked to the ground his Air King was wrenched from his wrist and then thrown back at him when one of the ***** told the other not to bother with the fake Rolex crap.
Bruised and badly shaken up as well as being minus about £40 in cash my mate slipped his fortunately undamaged genuine Air King into his trouser pocket.

Sad day when two hard working pieces of **** cant make a decent living out of mugging Rolex wearers because some bar steward in Asia or Italy is knocking out look a likes :cry:

[M1011]

Goes without saying but I suggest nobody click that link... reported the user who is clearly a shill.

[MrGrumpy]

There's a nice article in the daily mail about this. Was an interesting read. Here's the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... Rolex.html

My God! An interesting and seemingly intelligent and honest article in the Daily Mail???

[snowman]

i done a bit of googling and come across this site

now as a novice.. the features seem to be more or less the same ie 18k solid gold,same weight

as a real rolex

http://www.replicagod.com/daytona.html

how could you tell the difference..??


ALL NEW 2010 GRADE 1
Genuine SWISS MADE
ETA 2892-2 27 Jewel Movement
Frequency = 28800 A/H
Power Reserve = 38 hours
Smooth Sweeping Second Hand
Hacking Mechanism
Quick Date Change
Solid 904L Stainless Steel
(same as ROLEX better than 440 steel)
1 piece forged case construction
Solid 18k gold on 2-tone models
Jubilee Hollow & Pass-Through Type Band
Scratch-proof sapphire crystal
100% correct date fonts
Real 2.5x Date Magnification
New Type date wheel font & size
Large threaded screws on band
Serial and model no. between lugs
One-piece solid screw down crown
Genuine luminox hour markers
Shock resistant movement
True hologram sticker

You're asking the wrong forum about fake watches.

If you're interested in buying a fake, there are forums that specialise (they usually call themselves 'replica watch' forums), but this isn't the place to get advice (except AVOID!) about them.

Your suggestion about wearing a fake so that you only get mugged for a $50/$500 watch (some fakes are very expensive) seems an odd one to me - Buy a Casio and avoid getting mugged at all!

M

[Lampoc]

You're asking the wrong forum about fake watches.

If you're interested in buying a fake, there are forums that specialise (they usually call themselves 'replica watch' forums), but this isn't the place to get advice (except AVOID!) about them.

Your suggestion about wearing a fake so that you only get mugged for a $50/$500 watch (some fakes are very expensive) seems an odd one to me - Buy a Casio and avoid getting mugged at all!

M

You're wasting your time mate - old barkingbob hasn't logged in for over 10 years.

[snowman]

Ah, missed that!

Sent from my ASUS_X00PD using Tapatalk

[magirus]

Goes without saying but I suggest nobody click that link... reported the user who is clearly a shill.

I wonder if, in the intervening 10 years since post #39, anyone ever did click on the link.

[Mr Curta]

I wonder if, in the intervening 10 years since post #39, anyone ever did click on the link.

It was a response to a post that out host has prudently since removed, which is why it appears like a strange thread resurrection now.

[julian2002]

You're asking the wrong forum about fake watches.

If you're interested in buying a fake, there are forums that specialise (they usually call themselves 'replica watch' forums), but this isn't the place to get advice (except AVOID!) about them.

M

This has always struck me as puzzling about any watch enthusiast forum. Surely our greatest fear is saving for months / years buying our grail at a great price and then finding out it's a fake.
I am a member of a couple of fake forums specifically to keep abreast of the latest advances in what tells and imperfections are at the current leading edge of fakes, I also tend to prefer less popular watches that aren't usually worth faking.
One of the things that 'fake enthusiasts' are very passionate about it eliminating these 'tells' with the use of either genuine parts or with parts from another make of fake that copies something better. Personally I think discussion of fakes for the purpose of detecting and rejecting them would be useful, maybe relegated to an area of the forum that's locked to anyone under a certain number of posts to avoid some of the more obvious pitfalls of this policy. But that's just me.

[earlofsodbury]

This has always struck me as puzzling about any watch enthusiast forum. Surely our greatest fear is saving for months / years buying our grail at a great price and then finding out it's a fake.
I am a member of a couple of fake forums specifically to keep abreast of the latest advances in what tells and imperfections are at the current leading edge of fakes, I also tend to prefer less popular watches that aren't usually worth faking.
One of the things that 'fake enthusiasts' are very passionate about it eliminating these 'tells' with the use of either genuine parts or with parts from another make of fake that copies something better. Personally I think discussion of fakes for the purpose of detecting and rejecting them would be useful, maybe relegated to an area of the forum that's locked to anyone under a certain number of posts to avoid some of the more obvious pitfalls of this policy. But that's just me.

Lot of sense to that, my only worry is that the same applies here as to crime reporting and police-insider documentaries - just as we learn how faking is done, so too do new recruits to the criminal classes... The post number thing would ameliorate that though