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    I don’t need a list I treat all equally. You should try it.
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    Yeah but where is the ranking list of valid...

    Yeah but where is the ranking list of valid reasons to be on the road. I need that to get past these annoying holiday makers.
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    The trouble with assumptions is they can lead you...

    The trouble with assumptions is they can lead you astray.

    I have 9 riders on my WhatsApp group that regularly ride together.

    6 of the 9 commute in Lycra.

    4 of those are shift workers (2...
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    Indeed but probably as a result of a cyclist...

    Indeed but probably as a result of a cyclist jumping off the pavement through a red light and not ringing his bell distracting the driver causing the crash …

    About 1,800 deaths a year on the road....
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    It only took a couple of minutes to find your...

    It only took a couple of minutes to find your previous rants, there are many to pick from ...

    I note some potential progress as you have inserted the word *some* in front of cyclists ...

    It...
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    I have cycled in The Netherlands, Belgium, Italy,...

    I have cycled in The Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, France and Australia ... and small amounts in SE Asia and NZ.

    I'd say in mainland Europe the attitude is much better as the bicycle is much more...
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    I think its you that needs help with your...

    I think its you that needs help with your prejudice ...
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    If you saw no bell on the handle bars you must...

    If you saw no bell on the handle bars you must have seen her coming because you can't judge the presence of a bell from the rear.

    Also looking are her, the bike and the surface I doubt she was...
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    I could recount many tales about motorists or dog...

    I could recount many tales about motorists or dog walkers, or something else, that have created less ideal situations for me but that doesn't lead me to dislike motorists or dog walkers ... it just...
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    Clearly an idiot, how do you know she has no...

    Clearly an idiot, how do you know she has no bell? May have just not bothered to use it ...




    I have 6 bikes in the garage, 4 have bells. If I was riding on the path shown in your images I'd...
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    Not strange at all ... its because some people on...

    Not strange at all ... its because some people on this forum have an issue with cyclists ... these threads are not new and the same old debate goes through the mill and guess what the same old faces...
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    Thanks for presenting the data, no surprises...

    Thanks for presenting the data, no surprises there.
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    True, that’s a fair point, but you get the jist of my statement.

    As as I said above there is no excuse for anyone to jump a red light regardless of vehicle.
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    If someone I was riding with jumped a red or rode...

    If someone I was riding with jumped a red or rode on the pavement then they would get a comment from me or one of the other riders in the group. We try to be respectful of the law as well as other...
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    You are probably correct on that. Although the...

    You are probably correct on that. Although the research referenced above about it being safer is probably an additional factor.

    The whole red light jumping thing is a real thorn in the side for...
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    Red light jumpers will give you plenty of context...

    Red light jumpers will give you plenty of context to excuse their actions but that will never make it correct.

    When people apply their own rules to ignore the law is when we start getting...
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    Indeed, idiots aren’t restricted to one form of...

    Indeed, idiots aren’t restricted to one form of transportation. Although if I’m going to get T boned by a red light jumper I’d prefer they were on a bike rather than behind the wheel of a pick up...
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    Well done, I’m pretty sure that’s the same attitude the motorists jumping red lights have referenced by the OP.
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    Please don’t do that as it’s just like red light...

    Please don’t do that as it’s just like red light jumping, it’s illegal and makes some people irrationally angry towards other people on bikes.


    Yes, it is against the law to cycle on pavements...
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    I’m delighted to read that, apologies if I have...

    I’m delighted to read that, apologies if I have mis understood your position.



    I find that incredible to read, I have been out this morning and ridden 60 miles with a friend, we probably...
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    My post was in response to the predictable anti...

    My post was in response to the predictable anti cyclist vibe that appeared, I should have just ignored it.
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    If you read my post I said the experience is rare...

    If you read my post I said the experience is rare …

    I ride about 8000 miles a year, I dress in Lycra to do so because that this the most comfortable attire for the task.

    I am of course mindful...
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    The thing with prejudice is those that hold it...

    The thing with prejudice is those that hold it are often unaware or consider their view or position reasonable or correct.

    Most wealthy white males have ever been on the receiving end of negative...
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    Oh yes … that puts them right at the top of the list.
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    Well done you have now introduced another...

    Well done you have now introduced another dimension to the anti cycling brigade to latch onto.

    When you drive and you come up to a slower moving vehicle or a horse do you sound your horn before...
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