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    You make your own list. If people are civil you...

    You make your own list. If people are civil you do not need a list at all.
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    There are also fishes that fly, but they hardly...

    There are also fishes that fly, but they hardly constitute the defining characteristic of the species
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    You seem to mistake a straw man argument with a...

    You seem to mistake a straw man argument with a thread drift. The thread title never mentioned motorists by the way so the orignal mention of cyclists was entirely justified. I already made this...
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    It’s exactly like a Rolex vs a cheaper alternative Tony. Buy the shed and you’ll regret the garage. Buy the garage, cry once :icon_biggrin:
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    Red traffic light jumpers.

    I’d be curious to see your data on this. Those who have «*nice*» cars going for a spin beyond their drive are likely to be part of a wealthier community than the majority.



    Another straw man....
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    A Mac Laren? :stupid: :watermelon:

    A Mac Laren? :stupid: :watermelon:
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    I mentioned Lycra because the majority are using...

    I mentioned Lycra because the majority are using it for sport/leisure as not many people have the space at work to keep a wardrobe with their business attire and unless you work in a cycle shop (and...
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    Red traffic light jumpers.

    It’s the type of posts like the 2 above that helps create the polarisation. False equivalences in a debate hardly benefit the cause of those who make them.
    Yes, cars will kill more people than...
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    If you can afford the Horl 2 you’ll do a great job. Nothing is totally foolproof because fools are so ingenious, but it comes really close.
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    Met Renata near Rouen on our drive back to this...

    Met Renata near Rouen on our drive back to this green and pleasant land.
    A proper banshee she was. Howling winds and a solid wall of water for several minutes. You can’t really stop on a motorway...
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    FTFY It is quite possible that they are hedging...

    FTFY
    It is quite possible that they are hedging their bets, and believe that old stock may become more valuable, not less if Bremont demand plummets.
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    Absolutely. But if it is true with something...

    Absolutely. But if it is true with something illegal (jumping a red light), why is risking exactly the same consequences just because you are entitled to do whatever you’re doing legally any better?...
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    I am not sure the driver who T-bones a red...

    I am not sure the driver who T-bones a red light-jumping cyclist will agree with your statement that only the cyclist is hurt. And that is assuming he doesn’t swerve into another vehicle when trying...
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    Do cyclist run red lights? I believe the answer...

    Do cyclist run red lights? I believe the answer is unmistakably yes, very often. So it was legitimate in the thread.
    It then moved on to riding in group issues, clearly outside the initial scope of...
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    Some people have issues, full stop. And it...

    Some people have issues, full stop. And it doesn’t matter if they drive, walk or ride. Staying out of their way is by far the less unpleasant thing you can do.
    But generalising this and making it a...
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    The irony is that the victimisation of cyclists...

    The irony is that the victimisation of cyclists Montello and others rave about is contributing to the polarisation on the issue, here, in the press and on the road.
    Most of those who have expressed...
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    I had a very mild bout of shingles a couple of...

    I had a very mild bout of shingles a couple of years ago. The rash near my ankle was completely manageable but the pain along the sciatic nerve, while not acute was deep enough to really affect your...
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    I use the bell from as far as I can so as not to...

    I use the bell from as far as I can so as not to startle pedestrians but you are right, those with AirPods are isolating themselves and will not realise you’re here until you make them jump, and...
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    If they ride 2 abreast and show no sign of giving...

    If they ride 2 abreast and show no sign of giving me more room I pass them as I would pass a car, and only when it would be safe to pass one. No more, no less. I have seen some punishment passes...
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    It’s not a pile on against cyclists, no matter how much you want it to be. It’s about incivilities. There are many types of road users but the more abundant one is cars. Running red lights is both...
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    The lack of a safe place to stop is a red...

    The lack of a safe place to stop is a red herring. Within a mile there is always a way, even on a narrow lane. I have always found one (I cycle on an e-bike). As the saying goes, when there is a...
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    I entirely agree with the need to rethink our...

    I entirely agree with the need to rethink our transport system. I am also all to familiar with Canterbury’s accesses and the congestion it generates, although it is worse on its NE than the SW I...
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    https://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Easy-Rider/ima...

    https://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Easy-Rider/images/Easy-Rider-411.jpg
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    I’ve used smaller isolation tanks…
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    The fact remains that they don’t seem to know where the Greenwich meridian should be
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