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Do you have a thing to compare it to? Anything Seiko?

I honestly thought the last pic was of a toilet.

Any idea why the SD1970 Turtle is £5 more on rubber than bracelet? Looks like the same exact watch and you'd think the bracelet costs more.

This thread is grinding me down. I think one is inevitable. It's surprised how my opinion on them changes depending on the logo (or lack of one).

Not into the no logo or the shark, but the Steel...