My Brother's (ahem....) Panerai

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25th September 2019, 09:45
TaketheCannoli

My Brother's (ahem....) Panerai

First things first. This isn't my watch and I would never buy a fake/replica of any brand. I have owned a PAM homage or two in my time but they have always been sterile dial versions. I don't want people to think I have a Panerai, I just like the styling of the watch. I would buy another Parnis and Getat watch but they'd have to be sterile.

However this post is about the potential quality of these (most likely) Asian produced watches and the relative quality when compared to the genuine brand.

This one was bought fourteen years ago on holiday in Turkey. It's been worn almost daily in a building site / demolition / factory environment and has stood the test of time (pardon the pun) amazingly. It has a hand-winding movement that hacks and a fully functioning crown-guard. It's also keeping excellent time.

The cost of this cheap piece of Asian tat?

£40 :neutralskull:

It really does make you wonder about the relative quality when compared to the real thing. Would a £5k Panerai be running this well without a service and without having had any repairs or attention after 14 years? Quite possibly. You'd hope so for £5k. But possibly not.

Anyone considering a PAM purchase but worried about the wearability over-time could do worse than test it out with one of these things. I know a few forum members have done exactly that and it has helped them decide one way or the other.

I should also point out that he is about to buy a Panerai so his test definitely worked.

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25th September 2019, 09:52
mk1974

I’ve seen worst fakes ,I wonder if it as a branded movement,or wether that’s also fake

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25th September 2019, 09:55
TaketheCannoli

I assume fake for £40 but I don’t want to take the back off in case the only thing holding it together is the grime around the caseback!

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Originally Posted by mk1974

I’ve seen worst fakes ,I wonder if it as a branded movement,or wether that’s also fake

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25th September 2019, 11:09
MrGrumpy

But the snag is that you really have no idea what you are buying with a fake. Even some authentic looking fakes have only got rubbish Chinese movements that gain or lose several minutes a day and fail completely after 6 months. Others like this, are obviously of fundamentally good quality. But how do you know before buying? OK its 'only' £40 in this case, but I'd rather not waste £40 on useless rubbish!
25th September 2019, 11:16
JasonM

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Originally Posted by MrGrumpy

But the snag is that you really have no idea what you are buying with a fake. Even some authentic looking fakes have only got rubbish Chinese movements that gain or lose several minutes a day and fail completely after 6 months. Others like this, are obviously of fundamentally good quality. But how do you know before buying? OK its 'only' £40 in this case, but I'd rather not waste £40 on useless rubbish!

A bit like the real watches then?
(Joke)
25th September 2019, 12:11
gray

I've had a few Friday afternoon watches and it's frustrating at any price point.
25th September 2019, 13:18
Wooster

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonM

A bit like the real watches then?
(Joke)

What was it, the Brooklyn something model from Panerai?
25th September 2019, 13:52
MrGrumpy

Quote:

Originally Posted by gray

I've had a few Friday afternoon watches and it's frustrating at any price point.

But at least with a non-fake you've got some comeback.
25th September 2019, 16:01
RAJEN

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Originally Posted by Wooster

What was it, the Brooklyn something model from Panerai?

The one that is sold out and sells for a premium?
25th September 2019, 17:27
Dapper

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Originally Posted by RAJEN

The one that is sold out and sells for a premium?

That's right, the one that so embarrassed Panerai they offered to replace the movements.

It's quite common that 'mistakes' become sought after & sell 'for a premium'.
25th September 2019, 17:45
JasonM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

What was it, the Brooklyn something model from Panerai?

That was one of the more dubious ones, I love Panerai, one of my favourite watches was the 372 I had, just gorgeous, I also had a 112, this had a very plain Jane Unitas 6497 movement, just like a lot of the copies, I personally didn't care too much, but the mark up must have been eye watering. I think they have really upped their game movement wise in recent years.
25th September 2019, 17:48
seadog1408

Hardly a scratch for 14 years on a site, what's your brothers role, site manager?!!
25th September 2019, 18:06
GOAT

I once built up a marina styled watch using a titanium case and crystal off ebay which I subsequently had TiN coated and put in a Tissot pocket watch movement (think I sold it to someone on here...)
Before I started, I took the replica case into work and gave it to one of our measurement guys in the workshop for comparison with my own Panerai 111 which I still have.
it wasn't close, it was exactly the same dimensions,down to microns difference. Surface finish was excellent too.....
25th September 2019, 19:24
gerrudd

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli

This one was bought fourteen years ago on holiday in Turkey...I should also point out that he is about to buy a Panerai so his test definitely worked.

That is a very long sales cycle :)
25th September 2019, 20:36
Benji053

Has your bother no shame ? :)
25th September 2019, 20:51
TaketheCannoli

It’s not even in the top 100 shameful things he’s done.

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Originally Posted by Benji053

Has your bother no shame ? :)
25th September 2019, 22:55
TomGW

At £40 fourteen years ago I would guess it’s got an Asian 7750 chronograph movement inside. Panerai were using the 7750 as the base for their automatic Marina models at that time, as it was the only readily available auto movement that would provide running secs at 9 (to match the manual Unitas 6497) and a date at 3.
The Asian 7750 without the chrono functions is probably a reliable movement.
25th September 2019, 23:03
VDG

If I am worried about wearability issues I usually pop in to the shop which has the watch in stock and try it on. Just saying.
26th September 2019, 00:18
RustyBin5

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Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli

It’s not even in the top 100 shameful things he’s done.

In that case he should write a book [emoji23] maybe two [emoji1787]
26th September 2019, 09:53
TaketheCannoli

It would be a best seller for sure!

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Originally Posted by RustyBin5

In that case he should write a book [emoji23] maybe two [emoji1787]
26th September 2019, 19:47
Rodder

Don’t want to be negative, but I don’t think fakes should be discussed. Every time they are it makes a little more acceptable.
26th September 2019, 19:59
TaketheCannoli

I respect that view entirely.

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Originally Posted by Rodder

Don’t want to be negative, but I don’t think fakes should be discussed. Every time they are it makes a little more acceptable.
26th September 2019, 21:23
Artium

After reading some well documented articles about Panerai on Perezcope Blog now I don't have much admiration for Panerai as they are the first to fooling people.
26th September 2019, 23:51
RustyBin5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artium

After reading some well documented articles about Panerai on Perezcope Blog now I don't have much admiration for Panerai as they are the first to fooling people.

Seems a confusing statement. Can you elaborate? How are Panerai fooling people [emoji2373][emoji848]
27th September 2019, 13:03
James_

It's quite sad that your brother wore a fake for that amount of time. You should have bought him a decent watch as a gift. Not impressed/surprised and certainly not amazed as you are, that a watch, fake or not, did what it's supposed to for 14 years. That's modern watches for you, Chinese, Russian, Indian, Swiss or Japanese, they work for decades.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli

First things first. This isn't my watch and I would never buy a fake/replica of any brand. I have owned a PAM homage or two in my time but they have always been sterile dial versions. I don't want people to think I have a Panerai, I just like the styling of the watch. I would buy another Parnis and Getat watch but they'd have to be sterile.

However this post is about the potential quality of these (most likely) Asian produced watches and the relative quality when compared to the genuine brand.

This one was bought fourteen years ago on holiday in Turkey. It's been worn almost daily in a building site / demolition / factory environment and has stood the test of time (pardon the pun) amazingly. It has a hand-winding movement that hacks and a fully functioning crown-guard. It's also keeping excellent time.

The cost of this cheap piece of Asian tat?

£40 :neutralskull:

It really does make you wonder about the relative quality when compared to the real thing. Would a £5k Panerai be running this well without a service and without having had any repairs or attention after 14 years? Quite possibly. You'd hope so for £5k. But possibly not.

Anyone considering a PAM purchase but worried about the wearability over-time could do worse than test it out with one of these things. I know a few forum members have done exactly that and it has helped them decide one way or the other.

I should also point out that he is about to buy a Panerai so his test definitely worked.

Thanks for reading.https://i.postimg.cc/zGn7CMpF/455616...E779357531.jpg post image online
27th September 2019, 13:07
TaketheCannoli

Not sad at all as his non-work watch is a Speedmaster which he loves, bought new around 15 years ago for the princely sum of £1800.

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_

It's quite sad that your brother wore a fake for that amount of time. You should have bought him a decent watch as a gift. Not impressed/surprised and certainly not amazed as you are, that a watch, fake or not, did what it's supposed to for 14 years. That's modern watches for you, Chinese, Russian, Indian, Swiss or Japanese, they work for decades.