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After purposely avoiding keyless entry on my last car I’ve now changed and was unable to avoid this feature.
Now I’m looking to source some form of RFID box to keep the keys in when at home. A bit of web research gives plenty of options but when you look at the reviews there are so many saying they simply don’t work, you can sit in the car with the keys in the box and it still starts.
Has anyone bought anything half decent which actually works?
Thanks
A tin box lined with foil? Whatever you get it needs to be furthest point away from the drive/garage so the back of the house ideally.
Worth a try.
Which brand of car is it?
Only ask, as it is easy to disable on some brands, Mercedes which I know quite well - is very easy to disable it at night for example.
I've got these cheap fob holders that work well
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Jaguar XFQuote:
Originally Posted by Boss13
I did look at these in Halfords. They’d be ok for the spare key but the main key is on with the house keys etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by senwar
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/produc...-blockers-2023
I have the Defender Signal Blocker which came top in the test. Pack of two from Amazon for about £6 (Amazon not working at mo for me to check). Seem to work fine for mine.
Take the other keys off on a quick release.Quote:
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Faraday boxes are available on Amazon if not, bulkier though.
Easy search, and easy to test them.
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So did anyone find a box that worked? I have other stuff on my key so a pouch won't do it. Pouches would be ok for the spares kept in a safe.
Genuinely: I use a small shortbread tin with lid and keep the keys in a RF wallet in the tin.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldoakknives
Jim
Can't fit mine in a pouch/wallet so was hoping for one of the boxes. They don't seem very popular though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmcb
I use a RFID box as I found the wallets a pain as we have 4 cars with keyless and inc the spares wallets are a nuisance as wife used to hide them around the house.
Now in the box we have all keys and works a treat.
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Originally Posted by Jimmcb
Needs to be Walkers or Pattersons, mind ! :cocksure:
A small biscuit tin , and bung it in the microwave overnight.................
Doubt if anything's getting read through that.
Jesus I need a photo of this key ring. I have a car key and nothing else. Another has a front door & garage key on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldoakknives
Cannot be comfy to carry.
Doesent this key thing seem madness to anyone else in this day and age?
I cant see how keyless is better than a key???
The car I choose this year was the model down from the top specification as it had these features.
1,Proper key.
2,Proper handbrake.
3,Big auto gear lever simple forwards and back if changing gear manualy.
4,smaller wheels (reports said better ride comfort).
But of course good sir!!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackal
Mind you M&S shortbread as made by United Biscuits is up there with the best shorties
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Make your own RFID box,
Tin box, (old biscuit tin...or whatever) attach a single insulated wire to tin box, ideally soldered, and connect other end of the wire to the earth pin in a standard 13A plug (fuse removed)
The earth strap gives a better chance of grounding out any signal.
Car keys in the tin, plug it in and bob's your dads brother.
I use THESE.
Any old tin box with a lid will do (it doesn't need an earth), or stick your keys in the microwave overnight. I have a pouch from the same supplier as this box & it works well & if the box doesn't work you can just return it to Amazon:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Todoxi-Fara.../dp/B07Y5GDRTF
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=rfid+bl...f=nb_sb_noss_1
Thought they lost the contract to Burtons about 10yrs ago. Certainly Burtons were making it for them 7 years ago when I was consulting for them as the cost of butter went through the roof & the high butter content of the M&S ones had the team re-negotiating with their buyers as we our margins had been destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmcb
How close are people’s motors to their houses? Our keyless won’t operate unless the key is on my person near the car - if it’s even right by the front door, nothing doing (I checked after a panicked moment or two with this thread!)
Are jags particularly sensitive?
Have you never heard of 'Relay Attacks?'Quote:
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skier
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Originally Posted by JGJG
Do a youtube search and see the scrotes with antenae that look like a big Blue Peter advent crown - approach the front door while their mate is at the car on the driveway.
Bung your keys in a biscuit tin and test by tucking it under your arm while you try to open the car door. If it remains locked, you've got a Faraday Cracker Box.
It depends on the keyless system we’re talking about, some keys like on the VW we have deactivate once they’ve been sat unmoved for a few minutes. They can’t be subject to a relay attack as they’re effectively switched off.
Doesn’t help if the key is in your back pocket and you’re walking away from the locked car in somewhere like a car park I suppose, but you’d hopefully notice somebody walking closely behind you.
This faraday box looks like it will take a key and sizeable key ring?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/YALE-RFID-S...%2C117&sr=8-13
Eeks!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackal
I need to get cracking on this tin of shortbread!
(On a more serious note - thanks for that)
How about: -
1. Waterproof box and a bucket of water?
2. Pringle tube?
3. Crisp packet?
4. Cocktail shaker?
5. Steel pedal-bin?
and don't forget the spare/second key...
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ri1uK7nbp...xTSwttJ3mpyz95Quote:
Originally Posted by JGJG
It’s simply the Jaguar key fob with a small penknife and a cash holder attached plus front door key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mj2k
Nothing exciting but too much for one of those little pouch things.
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Have you tried them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingstepper
No, have an old car not worth stealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldoakknives
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Originally Posted by Mj2k
Please could someone tell me how test them?
Thank you.
Place the key inside the pouch and then walk out to the car and see if it will open up. If the pouch is working then nothing should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by spuds
I used one for a while on an older keyless entry car I had, after a while the lining became worn and started ‘leaking’ so the car still detected the key even in the pouch in my pocket, so they don’t always last that long and you need to keep checking them.
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Originally Posted by spuds
Bung your keys in it and test by tucking it under your arm while you try to open the car door on the door button.
Will someone explain the point of this?
Any ease of use is negated with having to muck around trying to hide keys.
What do you do at work when your car is parked outside next to your office say?
I can not see any advantage over just having a traditional keys.
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Originally Posted by bwest76
Chances are your keys are further from the front door, and with a lot of cars in the carpark - I think the distance to your car would be greater and more cars to check.
Keyless is fine, but needs some additional measures these days to prevent theft.
My garage opener is fed via a wifi pass-through socket, so the motor supply is de-energised when I am not actively accessing the garage - stops someone trying to open with a code generator. They'll move on to a neighbour's
Ah I see. Thanks for the suggestions anyway. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingstepper
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Oh FFS. :BangHead:Quote:
Originally Posted by blackal
and thank you. :occasion14:
https://www.evanshalshaw.com/blog/ho...ess-car-theft/
So use a steering wheel lock work is one tip,I therw mine away a long time ago.
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/.../keyless-theft
https://www.axa.co.uk/car-insurance/...ess-car-theft/
Faraday pouches top picks.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/produc...-blockers-2023
I have a car with keyless as standard and - in spite of being reassured it’s the version that switches off after a couple of minutes if left motionless - I switched off the keyless entry option on the dash over the weekend. I informed my wife, who told me she always locks either car with the button as she had no idea keyless existed! - I have to admit that I’d sometimes try the door to make sure it was locked (I grew up in East London so old habits die hard) and with keyless the damned thing would automatically unlock!
I do have a dirty great big, heavy steering lock which whilst inconvenient certainly looks a lot more tricky to casually overcome than any electronic trickery tbh
On a Skoda with KESSY if you press the lock button on the remote & touch the door handle as the wing mirrors are folding it disables the keyless entry - you'll see the indicators flash.
Excellent thread, a quick Google search enabled me to turn off the wireless function of the fob. Which I never used because I was wedded to the concept of clicking open and close.
The method was, get in car, press lock on fob for 3 seconds, keeping this depressed press the lock button on the dash for three seconds and then let go of dash lock - a beep sounds and then release fob.
Fob clicking works, but keyless entry is disabled. My postman pat van is even safer.
Could never get the leg waggle on the M4 to open the boot with hands full.
Much happier without it, strangely Porsche owners don't tend to go for the option from my purchase research on 981 generation, so similar to the M4 2016
I got the people who build Tesco Extra supermarkets to send me some samples of their construction materials and made my own RF blocking box.