CWC Diver - a bit of price groundtruth

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30th May 2021, 11:09
Brauner Hund

CWC Diver - a bit of price groundtruth

Just spent an idle moment calculating the seller’s ‘take home’ price, after 12.8% eBay fees ( these are the ‘ended’ values within the last several months).

So… the ‘ended’ sale price x 0.872 is the ground truth of what , from a seller perspective, these watches went for:

SBS:
T luminova. £388
87 reissue date £466
87 reissue no date £492
L dial. £402, £415, £412

Silver:
Quartz matte £371
Quartz £349

All rather lower than the general perception, I think?

https://i.ibb.co/qsKGGr4/16318562-4-...2-FF61-BFC.png
https://i.ibb.co/Mpbv2tN/82210567-6-...982-F1-CF7.png
30th May 2021, 11:22
Bry1975

Fbay sellers are now being forced into MANAGED PAYMENTS.
30th May 2021, 11:24
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bry1975

Fbay sellers are now being forced into MANAGED PAYMENTS.

How’s that relevant to the price analysis?🤔
30th May 2021, 12:59
gerrudd

I bought my SBS for £475 on eBay which seems to be in the right ballpark.
30th May 2021, 13:15
enndriz

prices seem to have calmed down a bit in general recently. Couple of mid tier Seikos I have been interested in for a while have seen a similar slowdown in the selling price. Month or 2 ago they were going for 800ish, last few I’ve watched have just scraped past 700.

I think there was a bit of lockdown boredom fuelling watch prices - I know I went on a bit of a spree. Now that things are opening up again I’m not spending nearly as much time stuck in house thinking about the next watch to buy!
30th May 2021, 14:25
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by enndriz

prices seem to have calmed down a bit in general recently. Couple of mid tier Seikos I have been interested in for a while have seen a similar slowdown in the selling price. Month or 2 ago they were going for 800ish, last few I’ve watched have just scraped past 700.

I think there was a bit of lockdown boredom fuelling watch prices - I know I went on a bit of a spree. Now that things are opening up again I’m not spending nearly as much time stuck in house thinking about the next watch to buy!

Yup, that makes a lot of sense👍
31st July 2021, 14:21
Brauner Hund

Today’s groundtruth: SBS L Dial Mk2.

Seller’s take home after fees. £410 x 0.872 = £358

https://i.ibb.co/T8f2c7S/98-E621-B3-...C034463-F7.png
31st July 2021, 18:56
Bry1975

Ebay MP fees supposedly 15% tho some saying 18%.
1st August 2021, 10:42
John Wall

Friday special offer are supposedly 80% off final value fees.

I’m on managed payments and was recently charged 3% for a sale.
That was £63 + £5 postage.
I got £65.96 into my bank
1st August 2021, 12:49
kace

10 days of £2 fees ending today.
1st August 2021, 12:56
Brauner Hund

Chaps - shall we not turn a CWC price tracker thread into an ‘eBay thoughts’ thread?
1st August 2021, 13:00
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brauner Hund

Just spent an idle moment calculating the seller’s ‘take home’ price, after 12.8% eBay fees ( these are the ‘ended’ values within the last several months).

So… the ‘ended’ sale price x 0.872 is the ground truth of what , from a seller perspective, these watches went for:

SBS:
T luminova. £388
87 reissue date £466
87 reissue no date £492
L dial. £402, £415, £412

Silver:
Quartz matte £371
Quartz £349

All rather lower than the general perception, I think?

https://i.ibb.co/qsKGGr4/16318562-4-...2-FF61-BFC.png
https://i.ibb.co/Mpbv2tN/82210567-6-...982-F1-CF7.png

Today’s groundtruth: SBS L Dial Mk2.

Seller’s take home after fees. £410 x 0.872 = £358

https://i.ibb.co/T8f2c7S/98-E621-B3-...C034463-F7.png
1st August 2021, 13:23
Wallasey Runner

As we have discussed before, most of the modern stuff sold by Silvermans does tend to have up to a 30% immediate loss against the original list price when sold on. It is also interesting how many of these divers are listed and the serial number is not shown in the listings, leading me to wonder if they are part of the stolen batches.

https://www.cwcwatch.com/blogs/news/...-care-of-fedex

I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.
1st August 2021, 13:42
John Wall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brauner Hund

Chaps - shall we not turn a CWC price tracker thread into an ‘eBay thoughts’ thread?

Matt, I was pointing out that it wasn’t necessarily costing the seller as much as you may think.
1st August 2021, 13:44
John Wall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner

I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.

Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?
1st August 2021, 14:13
Sinnlover

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Wall

Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?

No I think there were a few SBS there as well
1st August 2021, 14:35
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner

As we have discussed before, most of the modern stuff sold by Silvermans does tend to have up to a 30% immediate loss against the original list price when sold on. It is also interesting how many of these divers are listed and the serial number is not shown in the listings, leading me to wonder if they are part of the stolen batches.

https://www.cwcwatch.com/blogs/news/...-care-of-fedex

I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.

Those were only automatics ?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Wall

Matt, I was pointing out that it wasn’t necessarily costing the seller as much as you may think.

👍
1st August 2021, 15:43
Wallasey Runner

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Wall

Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brauner Hund

Those were only automatics ?

Fair enough, but the heading of the thread does say CWC Diver, not CWC Quartz Divers.
2nd August 2021, 19:19
John Wall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinnlover

No I think there were a few SBS there as well

Yes John, there were some no date and date PVD’s but no day/dates à la the SBS[emoji6]

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2nd August 2021, 19:46
size11s

I saw a couple of these stolen automatics at a bricks and mortar auction house very soon after the theft and reported it straight away to CWC. I am led to understand that it didn't lead to any prosecution of recovery of the watches which, frankly, mystifies me.
6th August 2021, 12:17
Brauner Hund

Latest groundtruth:

https://i.ibb.co/fGNp87Y/F5-FA176-A-...-F86195598.png

(eBay is currently awash with black CWC divers, all with front stickers in place, identical tins, and no photos of the casebacks)
6th August 2021, 15:21
Sinnlover

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brauner Hund

Latest groundtruth:

(eBay is currently awash with black CWC divers, all with front stickers in place, identical tins, and no photos of the casebacks)

I have not checked for ages
Are they all from the same seller?
6th August 2021, 17:39
Brauner Hund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinnlover

I have not checked for ages
Are they all from the same seller?

Not at first sight