6 drivers under investigation for DRS, this long after the race, I thought they had all this techonology! The stewards should be time limited, say they get five minutes to make s decision
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6 drivers under investigation for DRS, this long after the race, I thought they had all this techonology! The stewards should be time limited, say they get five minutes to make s decision
Five minutes from when? I'd suggest once they have seen the available evidence. With the driver and team interviews that they've already completed for other infractions, they've probably only just go around to reviewing the data and video...which they have to do for 6 incidents and, I presume, give the drivers a chance to explain themselves.
Update And then I found this on the BBC website:
...Ferrari's team principal Mattia Binotto is with the stewards, and it looks like there's a queue of drivers and team personnel awaiting the headmaster as there were some drivers who used DRS under one of the yellow flags...
...timed at 20:35.
At that point in the race, interesting info for his crew. It could be useful for the team. After all, he found out himself how important it is to lift under yellow, a few weeks back! At that level, every detail to ensure that your opponent doesn't have a chance to win, is used.Quote:
However before getting into the nitty gritty, well done to MV for his win - an excellent drive. Such a shame he had spoilt it with his "Lewis not slowing down enough under yellows" whinge, which just made him sound like a little bitch. You would have thought he might have learnt his lesson - clearly not.
They have all of the data in real time it really isn’t difficult for them, gps track position with three metre resolution, DRS activation telemetry, plus various transponders, this one really isn’t difficult for them, of course there is the politically sensitive decision regarding the order that they look at things, especially the ban for SV
There must be a case for speeding up the process with assistants to review and present the data in a condensed form...maybe they do that already? I say that as they're getting faster...5s penalty for Hulkenberg and none for Sainz (according to the BBC).
Edit Preceded by 'No further action' as regards Vettel and Leclerc.
In which case it might have been more reasonable for Vettel simply not to attempt the overtake in the first place and avoided all this. Or perhaps it might have been reasonable for CLC to have waited until be given his orders to pass SV before going on his attack.
All very interesting, however SV was just about to complete his "overtake" of CLC when the incident happened, so for that millisecond he was actually faster. The clue is in the word overtake.
I imagine SV will get the "blame", but CLC has some responsibility because he must have seen SV in his mirrors and should make sure he gave him room.
Rubbish. The accident was Sebs fault and Seb alone. LeClerc left him plenty of room
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d1fbb66e78.jpg
Perhaps because that's in a racer's blood, perhaps no team orders, perhaps because he felt that he had the right to do so because he was given a clear path overtaking VET under team orders earlier this year. Who knows. When the dust has settled and it becomes clear that there were no team orders, it would be another fail of the team's structure and organisation.
M
Double post
Because they were racing. And he managed it cleanly.
As for Vettel's manoeuvre...I think the BBC got it about right:
18:37
Two Ferraris collide
Do not hit your team mate. Do not hit your team mate. Do not hit your team mate.
Vettel bangs into Leclerc. Both have a puncture! What have they done?
I couldn't see any steering input from Leclerc on the video while on the racing line and it was clear (to me at least) that Vettel was moving left trying to disrupt his progress. That is racing, but Vettel does have form...as they say. :smile-new:
So this is one 'dumb' overtake followed by 'a pretty normal move...for Vettel'?
I might agree with the wording concerning the latter, but would question its execution if not the intent.
It's a shame that we didn't see the different pre-safety car strategies unfold, though those safety cars sure did create a nail-biter.
Gutted for Albon, chuffed for Verstappen, Gasly and Sainz, and another black mark against the 4-time DC that is Vettel.
Given how well constructed and measured Leclerc's response was to questioning after the race I'm of the opinion that he's now fully aware that he has the measure of his "teammate".
Got to hand it to the German though, at least he didn't do the old twirling of his finger this time around...
https://youtu.be/JlxA2nEe0gM
Doh! clearly there wasn't enough room because both cars collided.
I am not a fan of SV, however in this instances, CLC is just as culpable as SV, especially given the state of the race and that they were racing each other for a few points.
It was however very funny.
Clearly there wasn’t enough room in the Atlantic Ocean when the Titanic hit the iceberg.
LeClerc has a cheek to complain. His chop on Norris was far worse.
Vettel was always going to move left to cover being overtaken. Avoidable by both drivers, they effectively played chicken and neither yielded.
I assume the telemetry showed that Vettel didn't turn into LeClerc, hence no penalty.
There's an onboard shot of CLC steering ever so slightly right as VET passes him. No idea if it was enough to guarantee a collision but neither of them looked like professional racing drivers yesterday.
borrowed from another forum:
https://i.postimg.cc/x8ZTrG5g/FB-IMG-1574065447762.jpg
And just to add, CLC's attempted chop on NOR should've been punished. Letting them race is a fine way of ensuring carnage when anything goes.
Against that pic I offer:
..and suggest that CLC was see-sawing on the wheel in the turbulence from the passing car.
I think that this incident is what happens when:
- Ferrari don't issue team orders and let them race (didn't Red Bull have a similar problem?)
- racing ego #1 with a sense of entitlement meets racing ego #2 who refuses to be intimidated
...and that's why the stewards decided "both drivers had the opportunity avoid or mitigate the incident and therefore that neither driver is predominantly at fault".
And yes, racing ego #2 is equally capable of moves like this as evidenced by his "attempted chop on NOR". I'm not sure at what point such intimidation breaches the rules. On current evidence I think is comes down to 'causing an accident' or 'not leaving a car width'.
Had better things to do than even look up F1 in the media till now and for once I agree Andy.
Max should have said nothing. This was just sour grapes; finger pointing whereas his own penalty for not lifting under yellow was entírely self inflicted by stupid arrogance.
No, Jos did not slip my memory. Top notch a-hole.
Congrats to Honda. They seems to be in the game now.
I can remember a lot of top-notch drivers from year gone by with an iffy character flaw. Mansell, Senna (yes, he too), Schumacher, Hunt and even HAM was considered an a-hole in his early days. In the old days, they even ran eachother off the track on purpose if I remember correctly!
At that level of competition, you'll do everything that's in your advantage to win. You don't even need an iffy character flaw for that. Taking notice of what's happening with your counterpart is one of these thing. Protesting afterwards is another situation. (Sometimes it's better not to protest). Had HAM finished befor VER, I am sure that there would have been a protest from RB regarding the lift/non lift under yellow.
M
...and that makes it any better?
Imo behaving almost gentlemanly would make him thereforr stand out like a knight. Easy peasy you´d think.
I am definitely nót with you in this.
Yes, I can see that a-holes will score advantages where there aren´t really but in mý opinion it makes the wórse as drivers; it detracts from there positive merits.
There are also positive examples, better at controlled response. Since F1 drivers are also role models I think the FIA should come down harder on the bad behaviour.
Oh and those finger pointing at the two Ferrari drivers. Forgotten about the two Mercedes drivers taking eachother out?
As to the individuals Vettel and Leclerc is should not need pointing out that the former should by by far the more responsible, mature. Much like my first observation he makes Leclerc look mature in comparison.
All in all though I think the slight relaxing of the rules is having positive effects on the racing. Yes, it will take some time to find the right balance and then it will no doubt need another readjustment.
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It's not making things better; I never said that. I'm only suggesting that this behaviour and attitude belongs to that sort of people. Fighter pilots are the same. Split-second decisions, observing all what's around them, processing it and filing it under 'advantage' or 'disadvantage' and then we hear their comments while they're busy performing something that's incredibly difficult. After that we, the spectators, take 1, 2 or even 3 days to comment on their oneliner during the race, while safely and comfortly sitting on the sofa with our feet up.
Menno
Furthermore: remembering that his father is a plonker (he's convicted for beating up his ex-wife and he's not convicted for beating up his dad - charges were dropped, so yes he's a plonker) doesn't say anything about his son. I suppose a lot of us here wouldn't be happy being compared with his father's mistakes...
M
I would agree with the above if they were in different teams. I completely disagree in the current line out.
FIA have now sized parts of the Ferrari fuel system from Ferrari, a customer team and another competitor (for comparison?)
I thought this is a nice video, McLaren are coming across as a happy team
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=dyAQj5ZGo58
Its the Sun, but here is a link
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motor...-parts-seized/
Clearly one of the other teams has made a specific allocation, the FIA wouldn't do this under their own steam
... aaaaand another directive!
https://www.pitpass.com/66290/FIA-is...flow-directive
I think we could have all guessed that this was going to happen -
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/l...ssell/4603510/
With the relative success that this season's rookies have achieved there'll be no doubt about Latifi wanting to emulate them.
Just what Formula 1 needs: another Canadian with limited talent and a loaded father.
It´s what F1 has always had/been.
What´s more, in the past it was dependent on it even more than today.
And if we go back further still, it what started the whole lot; it is the basis of al racing; the überrich having someone design a stupid fast car and pit it against feloow überrich doing the same either driving themselves or a hired hand.
Agreed, but a seat in a Williams is a bit of a hospital pass right now, he'll be lucky to emerge from it with his reputation enhanced. Nico Hulkenberg, or someone with similar experience would be better for the team, they desperately need somebody who can drag them back up the food chain.