Not safe as a seller receiving Paypal....i lost both watch, money and confidence....
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Not safe as a seller receiving Paypal....i lost both watch, money and confidence....
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Originally Posted by
asteclaru
If the buyer's version of the story is true (and if you accept that it's possible that RM has fudged it up then there's no reason to doubt it) - then he claimed his money back from his credit card company, NOT Paypal, so it would be them that claimed 'item not as described' as the reason for the dispute, not the buyer
THIS ^ right here. It seems that the credit card company has pressed the issue and been compensated by making a false claim to Paypal.
Seller should press the issue to Paypal, and show documentation that the item was not received, buyer attests to this, and also attests that the signature given to the mail carrier is not his.
I’m growing more suspicious of the buyer here, though. a) Item entered the country, I assume it was properly marked and insured (if not, shame on the seller). b) “Missed delivery” never received; ORLY? c) Package collected AND signed for at RM office, with a bogus signature. d) Buyer claims he inquired unsuccessfully with RM and local police, but no evidence of that provided to seller(?) or the forum. ORLY? e) Claim made to buyer’s CC company for refund; CC company tells Paypal “item not as described” to pursue a claim (not “delivery failed” because the evidence shows it was delivered). f) CC company, and perhaps buyer, have made a false claim to Paypal. That’s fraud. g) Buyer does nothing more, “I got my money back,” though a fellow forum member has lost watch and payment. h) Buyer’s refusal to help seller with clarifying the case with Paypal is suspicious. You have your money, Deckard81, what have you got to lose? OH …*I guess you could lose your refund if it turns out you claimed “not as described.”
Addendum: at least here in the US, if I make a claim to the CC company that something was not received, but the carrier shows a signature on file for delivery, I expect my CC company would think I’m defrauding them, UNLESS I demand an investigation from the carrier and a written report of finding determining that they do not have my signature. Making a false claim to my creditor is fraud, so I have to prove my case.
Sometimes it’s not enough to say, “I’m innocent, I did what I could.” Sometimes you have to prove it to display accountability. Does that suck? Sure. Is it true? Certainly.
Several of you have said “Oh, I’ve picked up packages without showing my ID.” But was that for a “signature req’d delivery,” or just a missed delivery?? It makes a difference here in the US.
Q: I’m not a frequent user of this forum, but isn’t this kind of discussion more appropriate to the H&V section or another section? This is NOT a generic “Watch discussion” topic. :-\