Was about to post something similar, absolutely shameful and ultimately drags Eddie’s business through the mud too.
Somebody has gone so far down the rabbit hole, they don’t know the way back...
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Don’t you think it’s a bit late for that?
Your interventions in this thread were completely unwarranted and unnecessary, and you’ve damaged our hosts shop window in pursuit of your own interests.
When you inevitably contact Eddie to delete the thread, perhaps you could apologise too.
If Eddie was in better health right now I am sure he would delete this toxic thread. I am probably wasting my time but here goes; to the 2 main protagonists in this mess: this is a public forum for watch enthusiasts. Please take your sordid dispute offline and deal with it through whatever channels you choose. I don’t care
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Probably a waste of time but
Let me ask you this:
Why am I the villain here ?
I did nothing but defend myself against a member who seems to glory in whinging to bear pit trolls in preference to sorting his problems like a grown up.
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No Brendan, you haven't simply defended yourself in this thread. In a disgusting bout of schadenfreude, you chose to enter this thread with gloating about about someone being scammed out of £1300. What does it say about you, that you apparently condone such actions?
Alongside your well-documented caustic personality, it also tells the viewer that your moral compass is skewed and should £1300 worth of watch go missing, it'll be karma for upsetting you.
Any damage to reputation is caused by you alone, I wouldn't trust you to change the battery in a Swatch.
Wow....some really poor judgement going into some of these posts.
If the owner of this forum is the only mod thats a real shame,fairly sure the thread would have been locked hours ago.
This thread is a train wreck.
And there was me thinking to bring my pride and joy with me on holiday to get it serviced.
Think I’ll join the queue now, since that enormous and growing workload is keeping you busy enough as it is.
Were it not for Eddie I’d say this was the funniest meltdown of all meltdowns, and that from a grown man of 66. You couldn’t make it up.
Well, I’m going to waste no time finding an adress to get my precious Uranus fixed, because uranus is still blocked with you being stuck up it.
Bye.
Time for everyone to put on a clean pair of y fronts and take the dog for a walk
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May I add to the general feeling that, particularly in Eddie’s absence, we should stop this “collateral” thread, and just follow the evolution of the initial facts as posted by Vortgern.
So, who posted? lolz
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Who Posted?
- Posts 30 Webwatchmaker
- Posts 14 Chris_in_the_UK
- Posts 11 vortgern
- Posts 8 bdkelly72
- Posts 6 oldoakknives
- Posts 6 Onelasttime
- Posts 5 RustyBin5
- Posts 5 Dave+63
- Posts 5 Mr.D
- Posts 5 Franky Four Fingers
- Posts 5 lew07
- Posts 4 johnthemull
- Posts 4 Raffe
- Posts 4 Seamaster73
- Posts 4 GraniteQuarry
- Posts 4 Benji053
- Posts 4 seadog1408
- Posts 4 wileeeeeey
- Posts 4 nick67
- Posts 3 hops
- Posts 3 mr.chef
- Posts 3 Tooks
- Posts 3 FazerBoy
- Posts 3 Papa Hotel
- Posts 2 burnside
- Posts 2 David_D
- Posts 2 ralphy
- Posts 2 Kirk280
- Posts 2 kungfupanda
- Posts 2 steptoe
- Posts 2 Der Amf
- Posts 2 Kingstepper
- Posts 2 number2
- Posts 2 seabiscuit
- Posts 2 woodacre1983
- Posts 1 deanlad
- Posts 1 Gerald Genta
....back on track, OP please update us Tues/Weds
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This reads like a hall of shame. Some of these posters, including myself did so to try and put an end to this mess.
Your post reveals no context and is another example of the cu*ntism so much in evidence on this forum these days.
Please delete it.
I forgot what I came in here for but it certainly wasn't this shite. Take it offline you bunch of ingrates.
OP - after all the crazy crap has now stopped any update on your original issue?
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Well, this has been a salutary and informative read. OP, I hope you get your money back with minimum fuss and hassle.
I’ve followed this whole sad and sorry saga, the way it has descended into acrimony is regrettable for all concerned.
I genuinely hope the OP, who I’ve never had dealings with, gets this resolved. This is a sizeable chunk of money to be owed, I’d be upset if I was in his position. However, I question why he didn’t try discussing the problem by phone with the seller, if I’ve understood correctly he received a text therefore he had the guy’s number. That’s how I would've handled it, and I would've given the seller every chance to fully explain what had happened before sharing the story. On that basis I see parallels with the Rotary saga, which ended up escalating in a similar way and was never fully resolved. I’m sure that could’ve been sorted by better communication at an earlier stage.
I’m a strong believer in trying to resolve problems before airing dirty linen publicily. Texts and e-mails are fine when things are fine, but as soon as misunderstandings/ disagreements arise it is far better to talk to the other party and sort things out. Keep the dispute between the two of you and publicise it as a last resort, publicising only serves to entrench positions, I feel that happened in Rotary-gate with Brendan and there’s a danger it’s happened again. Coupled with the fact that the seller has family health problems (I don’t believe he made that up) perhaps it was better to cut him some slack and give him chance to sort things out. The seller has a good track record, it seems absurd that he’d now act dishonestly, Frankly I don’t see how setting deadlines etc was the right course of action unless the OP is desperate for the money himself.
Resolving this is going to need communication and goodwill between both parties, far from helping with resolution this thread has further entrenched positions and I think that was a predictable outcome.
What’s all this Eddie would do this or that, he rarely gets involved in handbags and dummies so why would he now, let it run its course..
I still can’t believe that cheapy broken eBay Rotary has caused so much bluster, I’m just glad the previous owner has been found -
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I've not had the time to read through the entire thread, though I've dipped into it from time to time and found the taste rather too bitter for me. The comments I've quoted above are, I think, generally good ones, though I had an experience a while ago that makes me wonder whether it's really best to keep these issues private, as suggested above.
Some members will remember GeoffD, who 10 years ago offered a re-luming service. He had various business names at various times, and I met him once when I bought a watch from him. One of the reasons for buying the watch was that the original deal tritium lume on its hands and dial had been repainted with Superluminova. As part of the deal, GeoffD also agreed to relume another watch for me, within a deadline that would allow me to pick it up with the 10 day period I was in the country.
It turned out that the work was going to take a little longer; GeoffD had been ill. He would post the watch to me in Australia. Then there was a further delay. His wife was ill. Then he stopped answering my emails and calls. I found some old thread on another website relaying another WIS's bad experience with him, and recounted his failure to return a watch, and became concerned - so I rang the local police who kindly offered to pop around and "encourage" him to return the watch to me. An angry email followed from Geoff, explaining about the family illness, furious at me for involving the police, and demanding that I pay him for the cost of the postage (which he was supposed to cover) before he shipped it back to me. Desperate to get my valued watch back, I paid for the very expensive courier shipment, and thankfully received it a week or two later. The work had been done badly and there was a small hair stuck to some of the paint.
Somewhat embarrassed, both because I was wondering if I'd been gulled, but also feeling, frankly, a bit guilty for involving the police when the poor guy was under a lot of pressure with apparent family health problems, I kept quiet about the whole thing. Some months later, it became apparent that there were a lot of other members who had sent GeoffD their watches and who had been waiting for a long time for their return. Again, he had shown the same pattern of excuses, delaying, then ignoring communications; he had, I think changed his address, and was sitting on tens of thousands of pounds of other people's property. It took some great detective work by, IIRC, The Flying Banana, who deserves a medal, and who managed to recover most of the missing watches, though many were in pieces and some were missing parts. It cost the affected customers - most, probably, TZ-UK members - a lot of angst and a lot of money to resolve the situation. For some, this meant paying 3rd party watchmakers to put right GeoffD's bodged work.
I still wonder about whether I should have spoken up. I got my watch back through issuing a deadline and involving the police; I then kept quiet and others suffered. What should I have done? And what should someone do when he's paid a lot of money for something he's not received, or left valuable property with someone who is not responding, or responding badly? Raise the issue in public, or keep quiet? I'm still not sure. There may be something about watchmaking that attracts people of a particular character and personality, or maybe the work drives some to distraction. But either way, those who live by the referrals given on this forum need to be aware of the adverse consequences of upsetting forum members who are their customers, and perhaps temper their responses accordingly. It might also make it a lot easier all round if the responses and publicity were more factual and less acrimonious...
But either way, those who live by the referrals given on this forum need to be aware of the adverse consequences of upsetting forum members who are their customers, and perhaps temper their responses accordingly. It might also make it a lot easier all round if the responses and publicity were more factual and less acrimonious...[/QUOTE]
Dear Happy Jack,
I don't believe the issue here is if a matter should be publicised, but when. Most reasonable people would say 28 days after trying everything to resolve the matter privately. The OP published in both cases without giving the other party any time at all, even though he has full contact details. Some members then jump to reckless conclusions. Many years of good work can be destroyed online in an instant by such ill considered or untruthful public accusations.
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This forum works on trust. If sellers are happy to take the money, then they must follow through with the service - be that sending a watch or completing the work agreed and shipping a watch back.
We have no consumer protection here, no eBay / PayPal dispute process.
H&V and the rules relating to post count before access to SC is there to protect us all by building up an online reputation.
This is not perfect, but works well for the majority of transactions.
A series of excuses from sellers that are in possession of other people’s money is really not good enough over an extended period of time, and the seller (or service provider) should front up and return what is not theirs within a reasonable time period. IMHO, that has elapsed in this case
Dear Happy Jack,
I don't believe the issue here is if a matter should be publicised, but when. Most reasonable people would say 28 days after trying everything to resolve the matter privately. The OP published in both cases without giving the other party any time at all, even though he has full contact details. Some members then jump to reckless conclusions. Many years of good work can be destroyed online in an instant by such ill considered or untruthful public accusations.
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Same old story
This thread had zilch to do with you, it was not about you, it didn't reference you in fact I'm guessing everyone on here that was following the thread didn't have you on their radar. I made no connection that the OP here was the same as your spat several months ago. That obviously changed when you entered the discussion to create complete division and clearly looking for a fight.
Never have I ever encountered anyone so happy to see somebody lose money....your comments regarding this are uncalled for. This whole situtation has been entirely created by you and you alone.
Your reaction both on this thread and previous are the reason for any reputation damaged, stop playing the victim here.....it's your own doing.
Be calm people, why don't we just withhold all comments until the OP chooses to reveal the outcome of yesterday's deadline with the SC seller he's having problems with.
Then:
And:
Then:
Are you a man of your word, Brendan?
Just to clarify. I am logging out of this forum now. This thread is not getting anyone anywhere.
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Once again, a salutary and informative read.
I don't see why there should be an arbitrary 28 days. Ands in saying that, I don't think I'm being unreasonable. In fact, if I'd paid £1375 for a watch and the seller had given me three different excuses for non-delivery in a few days, I'd be expecting my money back pronto - certainly within a couple of days. If I were suspicious that someone had taken my money and perhaps didn't want to return it, or the goods paid for, I'd be pretty firm about demanding a refund, and there's absolutely no way I'd be letting it go for 14 days, never mind 28.
Disputes between a tradesman and a customer are a slightly different issue. If a customer complained about some work that a watchmaker had done, and the watchmaker agreed to rectify the work, it would clearly be reasonable to allow enough time for the work, and shipping. I don't know what it takes to service a movement or refinish a watch case, but I'd imagine that there's a day or two in there, whereas, say, adjusting the timing might take a few minutes, but you'd; then need some time - presumably a few days - to check and monitor the time-keeping in various positions, and then of course to post it. But I shouldn't think it would need 28 days, either.
But to take it back to the OP's problem, an electronic funds transfer shouldn't take more than a few minutes. There's certainly no need for a 28 day turnaround. 28 minutes should be fine for making the transfer and sending a copy of the transfer notice. No more than 2-3 days to allow it show up in the account. I think the OP has been more than reasonable (unless I've missed it the seller hasn't yet been named, either, which is remarkable) and I can see no reason for anyone chuckling over the situation.
28 days is a long time in this day and age. Perhaps if we were talking 25 years ago...
I did. There was no answer.
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To update the thread I did receive a refund yesterday with fair restitution (after a wait of two weeks) and I consider this now sorted.
I have donated £20 to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support of the majority of members here.