Things you'll never understand

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Originally Posted by oldoakknives

Ha ha ha. I'm sure theres a law against wearing shoes without socks. Probably in the 'flip flops' part of criminal law.

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Most of the time those people have socks. They just choose to have very low cut, "invisible" socks. Ideal on boat shoes (docksides type) and Vans, but apparently metrosexual hipsters will wear them with chukka boots, penny loafers, and even brogues.

People dressed up in their country’s t-shirts and flags, who then drop litter in the very country they are so proud of.

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Originally Posted by oldoakknives

Cyclists who dress up in lycra, to go out in groups and slow down traffic by taking up as much of the road as possible. There's obviously a points system involved for the amount of cars you hold up but I haven't worked out how they tally it up yet. I'm also guessing they ride too fast for some in the group because if you're in front of them and slow them down a bit they always wave and shout their appreciation. :icon_biggrin:

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Why car drivers have such a deep rooted sense of self entitlement and belief in their own importance.

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Originally Posted by skmark

Why car drivers have such a deep rooted sense of self entitlement and belief in their own importance.

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Why so many people in expensive cars - look so bloody miserable.

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Originally Posted by skmark

Why car drivers have such a deep rooted sense of self entitlement and belief in their own importance.

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Possibly because they’re usually using the road to get from a to b for a reason, such as getting to work, as opposed to using it for recreation!


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Originally Posted by skmark

Why car drivers have such a deep rooted sense of self entitlement and belief in their own importance.

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Originally Posted by RobDad

Possibly because they’re usually using the road to get from a to b for a reason, such as getting to work, as opposed to using it for recreation!


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Do I understand you correctly? You appear to be saying that recreation is not a valid reason to use our roads.

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Originally Posted by PickleB

Do I understand you correctly? You appear to be saying that recreation is not a valid reason to use our roads.

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I did have a quick peruse of the Highway Code and couldn’t find anything. Perhaps it’s in the same chapter which explains that you have more rights if you pay more, either in fuel, for your vehicle or perhaps, more famously, road tax?

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Originally Posted by RobDad

Possibly because they’re usually using the road to get from a to b for a reason, such as getting to work, as opposed to using it for recreation!


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Blinded by that same sense of entitlement and self importance ;0)


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People who put brand new watches on rough surfaces to photograph them for eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rolex-GMT-Master-II-Rootbeer-126711CHNR-Box-and-Papers-2021-/284378166402

Can’t believe you can do that without adding some marks/scratches.

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Originally Posted by RobDad

Possibly because they’re usually using the road to get from a to b for a reason, such as getting to work, as opposed to using it for recreation!


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So what are the valid uses? The reverse is true here, the cycling hatred utterly baffles me. Your car journey is full of things that slow you down.

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Originally Posted by PickleB

Do I understand you correctly? You appear to be saying that recreation is not a valid reason to use our roads.

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I’m not getting into a silly argument over cars versus bicycles. When I drive my car I treat every road user equally - in fact as an ex motorcyclist I am far more wary of anyone on 2 wheels. I wouldn’t ride a bicycle on the road as I just don’t think it’s a safe environment, as I say I am extra careful around bikes but I’ve seen car drivers and cyclists driving/riding idiotically and sadly a cyclist will always come off worse in an accident. Now it’s summer in North Norfolk the narrow 60mph roads with their blind bends made even worse by tall grass everywhere are full of cyclists, mixed with visitors in enormous silly SUV’s. I hope every road user survives the day intact. With those dangers I wouldn’t choose cycling as a recreational activity but I appreciate we are all different.


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People who whinge about cyclists on the road ‘causing traffic’ while seemingly being quite happy sitting in traffic queues of their own making without a cyclist in sight.

If occasionally being delayed by a cyclist for a few seconds (or God forbid, a minute or two) is at the top of anyone’’s list of things they hate, they should be happy that they’re living a very comfortable life.

Something I don’t understand - why Tapatalk won’t let me use apostrophes.

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Originally Posted by RobDad

I’m not getting into a silly argument over cars versus bicycles. ...........

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I know it's childish, but........you started it! :triumphant:

Every walk of life has its extreme idiots, drivers, cyclists, truckers, bikers.

However, In my experience idiot cyclists are by far the most idiotic of idiots. Make up the rules of the road as they go along. That doesn't mean I think all cyclists are idiots, there are many that are perfectly fine on the roads.

But like previously mentioned I don't understand cyclists using the road network due to the poor safety records.

Arts graduates, who don’t understand graphs, being empowered to make science-led national decisions.

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Originally Posted by Saint-Just

Most of the time those people have socks. They just choose to have very low cut, "invisible" socks. Ideal on boat shoes (docksides type) and Vans, but apparently metrosexual hipsters will wear them with chukka boots, penny loafers, and even brogues.

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Perhaps we need a 'visible socks' law as well as a 'no flip flops for adult males' law! ;-)

Only wear socks with my Sebagos if I'm wearing jeans/trousers. Never in shorts.

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Originally Posted by manganr

..and the fact that they think they're being environmentally conscious and saving the planet whilst at the same time being blissfully ignorant of the massive queue of traffic that is spending longer on the road behind them.

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Quite. Since most of 'em aren't actually going anywhere they could just get one of these hamster wheels contraptions and everyone's happy. Can even wear the lycra as well. Win win. :encouragement:

https://bikepacking.com/wp-content/u...-Trainer-3.jpg

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Originally Posted by wileeeeeey

Only wear socks with my Sebagos if I'm wearing jeans/trousers. Never in shorts.

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Deck shoes - no socks ever, boat shoes with shorts - no socks, boat shoes with jeans - socks.

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Originally Posted by number2

Deck shoes - no socks ever, boat shoes with shorts - no socks, boat shoes with jeans - socks.

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No idea what the difference is between a boat shoe and a deck shoe. Surely they're the same?

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Originally Posted by wileeeeeey

No idea what the difference is between a boat shoe and a deck shoe. Surely they're the same?

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Not sure but it may be that, in the context of the reply, deck shoes are worn on a boat and provide grip etc, while boat shoes are fashion items worn elsewhere for 'looks'. The same physical pair of shoes may fulfil both purposes.

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Originally Posted by wileeeeeey

No idea what the difference is between a boat shoe and a deck shoe. Surely they're the same?

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Both have non-marking soles however deck shoes have "sperry" type cross cut soles for better grip on a wet deck, whereas boat shoes are the same moccasin style but with a "commando" style sole for wearing when going ashore.
I'm happy to wear deck shoes for sailing or going for a pint, but wouldn't sail in boat shoes as they aren't so grippy.

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Originally Posted by number2

Why so many people in expensive cars - look so bloody miserable.

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Because they can’t comfortably afford the monthly PCP payment…

Why obvious troll sounds so pleased with himself

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Originally Posted by PickleB

Not sure but it may be that, in the context of the reply, deck shoes are worn on a boat and provide grip etc, while boat shoes are fashion items worn elsewhere for 'looks'. The same physical pair of shoes may fulfil both purposes.

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Sounds like tool watch Vs wrist bauble and probably true

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Originally Posted by number2

Both have non-marking soles however deck shoes have "sperry" type cross cut soles for better grip on a wet deck, whereas boat shoes are the same moccasin style but with a "commando" style sole for wearing when going ashore.
I'm happy to wear deck shoes for sailing or going for a pint, but wouldn't sail in boat shoes as they aren't so grippy.

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Hard to get these days. Had to order from Nordstrom Canada and wait a month recently. No one in the EU does wide fit anymore. Used to wear the Sperry's and the Timberlands but find Sebago the most comfortable.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5c29c86379.jpg

Seemingly intelligent and well-educated people wasting hours each day on internet forums trying to convince a handful of complete strangers that they are right about everything

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Originally Posted by RobDad

Possibly because they’re usually using the road to get from a to b for a reason, such as getting to work, as opposed to using it for recreation!


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The solution is obvious - do what the Dutch do. Either build separate cycle paths in the countryside, well away from the road. Or, in cities, do your utmost to upset both parties equally by laying cobbles and then intersecting the road and junctions with tram lines.

That'll learn 'em.

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Originally Posted by Jdh1

Seemingly intelligent and well-educated people wasting hours each day on internet forums trying to convince a handful of complete strangers that they are right about everything

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Your wrong about that

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Originally Posted by number2

Both have non-marking soles however deck shoes have "sperry" type cross cut soles for better grip on a wet deck, whereas boat shoes are the same moccasin style but with a "commando" style sole for wearing when going ashore...

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The correct term for that type of sole is 'siped'.

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Originally Posted by jwg663

The correct term for that type of sole is 'siped'.

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Thank you, after a wee bit of a search...
https://www.heddels.com/2018/07/sper...he-siped-sole/
I understand more clearly [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by number2

Both have non-marking soles however deck shoes have "sperry" type cross cut soles for better grip on a wet deck, whereas boat shoes are the same moccasin style but with a "commando" style sole for wearing when going ashore.
I'm happy to wear deck shoes for sailing or going for a pint, but wouldn't sail in boat shoes as they aren't so grippy.

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Originally Posted by jwg663

The correct term for that type of sole is 'siped'.

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Thanks for that.

Sperry refer to it as Razor-Cut Wave-Siping (see Sperry Technology Glossary) and have gone so far as to trademark "wave-siping" in the USA. I too have learnt something, having generally referred to them as razor-cut soles.

I first came across the term in relation to Timberland shoes.

https://www.timberland.co.uk/iconic-boat-shoes.html

'In 1979, we introduced newly designed siped soles for slip-resistant performance on decks. The iconic Timberland® boat shoe was born...'

I've been wearing them since the early 1980s.

Edit: I have no idea what the difference between 'deck/boat' amounts to.

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Originally Posted by jwg663

I first came across the term in relation to Timberland shoes.

https://www.timberland.co.uk/iconic-boat-shoes.html

'In 1979, we introduced newly designed siped soles for slip-resistant performance on decks. The iconic Timberland[emoji2400] boat shoe was born...'

I've been wearing them since the early 1980s.

Edit: I have no idea what the difference between 'deck/boat' amounts to.

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Similarly I've been wearing them since the mid 90s [emoji106]

And those who say they believe in socialism and then tell us about their expensive cars,second homes and expensive watches.

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Originally Posted by mjc1216

And those who say they believe in socialism and then tell us about their expensive cars,second homes and expensive watches.

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Does someone who believes in socialism have to wear a "hair shirt"?

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Originally Posted by OldHooky

The solution is obvious - do what the Dutch do. Either build separate cycle paths in the countryside, well away from the road. Or, in cities, do your utmost to upset both parties equally by laying cobbles and then intersecting the road and junctions with tram lines.

That'll learn 'em.

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Brilliant idea! Cycle paths in the countryside going round in circles. The lycra mob get to gather and shout at each other in groups out of everyone's way, and they can take their pedally bikes there on the car thereby not holding up the traffic.

Gotta love the Dutch. :adoration:

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Originally Posted by jwg663

I've been wearing them since the early 1980s.

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Don't they smell a bit by now?

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Originally Posted by hogthrob

Don't they smell a bit by now?

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No problem, off to the SC with them, some Rolex wearing scrote will buy them and another one of lifes mysteries will be solved.

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Originally Posted by PickleB

Not sure but it may be that, in the context of the reply, deck shoes are worn on a boat and provide grip etc, while boat shoes are fashion items worn elsewhere for 'looks'. The same physical pair of shoes may fulfil both purposes.

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My family are very much involved in yachting - my dad and brother are avid sailors, both have competed in the Fastnet race and my brother was involved in the Americas cup for years. They both swore by Sebago deck shoes, you can soak them in a bucket of fresh water overnight to remove the salt and they will air dry with no issues. Try that with a ‘fashion shoe’ and you’ll end up with a bucket of bits that have come unglued!


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Originally Posted by RobDad

My family are very much involved in yachting - my dad and brother are avid sailors, both have competed in the Fastnet race and my brother was involved in the Americas cup for years. They both swore by Sebago deck shoes, you can soak them in a bucket of fresh water overnight to remove the salt and they will air dry with no issues. Try that with a ‘fashion shoe’ and you’ll end up with a bucket of bits that have come unglued!


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That's as good a recommendation as it's possible to get!

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Originally Posted by mjc1216

And those who say they believe in socialism and then tell us about their expensive cars,second homes and expensive watches.

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Worse still, there are those that believe in capitalism but don't have any of the above, or indeed even a paltry 7 figures in the bank.

Football.
No idea what the world's obsession is all about

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Originally Posted by RobDad

My family are very much involved in yachting - my dad and brother are avid sailors, both have competed in the Fastnet race and my brother was involved in the Americas cup for years. They both swore by Sebago deck shoes, you can soak them in a bucket of fresh water overnight to remove the salt and they will air dry with no issues. Try that with a ‘fashion shoe’ and you’ll end up with a bucket of bits that have come unglued!


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Are Sebago still as good? I’ve not had a pair for years but they survived so much sea water abuse & bucket treatment as you say.

Concerned there may have been corners cut over the year & cheaper methods employed. Toying between those and timberland.

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Originally Posted by Mj2k

Are Sebago still as good? I’ve not had a pair for years but they survived so much sea water abuse & bucket treatment as you say.

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I bought a new pair of Docksides last year and I think they are just as good as in the past. Like someone above said, they are really good sailing shoes. Easy to put on, comfortable and very grippy on the deck. The sole is quite thin and the structure not very supporting, so I'd not use them for any longer distance walking. For me they are for sailing only.

I'm sure I read that Sebago were sold and the shoes are made elsewhere now. Probably why I can't get wide fit in the EU anymore.

Quality on the new ones seems ok but I've only worn then once and cut up my heel so I'm giving them a rest for when Birkenstocks or Allbirds really aren't acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Mj2k

Are Sebago still as good? I’ve not had a pair for years but they survived so much sea water abuse & bucket treatment as you say.

Concerned there may have been corners cut over the year & cheaper methods employed. Toying between those and timberland.

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Funny you should say that as I bought a pair last year and the stitching failed after just a couple of wears. The replacement I was offered were already starting to fail in the same place (to the surprise of the shop assistant and myself) so I don’t currently own a pair. These were the standard plain brown leather docksider, I usually have a pair of them and a pair of the Navy suede. They’re about £120 a pair now so not cheap. Maybe I as unlucky/ they were a faulty batch.


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Originally Posted by Mj2k

Are Sebago still as good? I’ve not had a pair for years but they survived so much sea water abuse & bucket treatment as you say.

Concerned there may have been corners cut over the year & cheaper methods employed. Toying between those and timberland.

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Timberland make a range of deck shoes however its only the unlined one's with non marking soles I wear, worn on wet decks, waded across mudflats, walked across wet rocks and down the pub, - need to be on a boat again soon [emoji569]

Sold out to an Italian firm back in 2017. Same company also owns Superga and Kappa. I've had two pairs of Superga and wouldn't have another, cheap tat. Oh dear, what's the next brand up from Sebago?

https://www.basic.net/v2/brand/sebago.html

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Sold out to an Italian firm back in 2017. Same company also owns Superga and Kappa. I've had two pairs of Superga and wouldn't have another, cheap tat. Oh dear, what's the next brand up from Sebago?

https://www.basic.net/v2/brand/sebago.html

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Same stuff happened with
R M Williams, previously their gear was made in Australia, now it's just about only boots.

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Originally Posted by wileeeeeey

Sold out to an Italian firm back in 2017. Same company also owns Superga and Kappa. I've had two pairs of Superga and wouldn't have another, cheap tat. Oh dear, what's the next brand up from Sebago?

https://www.basic.net/v2/brand/sebago.html

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I think Sperry makes quite nice boat shoes too.