I'm sure that there are others here as well, but Steve is an extremely nasty piece of work.
Printable View
Oh yeah, the reference to a Cartier (?)Santos, I thought that was another example of Sarky deliberately trying to fool us into thinking he was Steve. Guess I overthought that one 😂
Well, that was just my opinion (based upon the most un-burnsey66-like message I linked to) and it would now seem that my opinion was wrong.
If burnsey66 and sarky are (occasionally) posting from the same IP address (which no other member has posted from) then it is theoretically possible that they are different people (say, for example, working in the same office) but it seems most unlikely on the balance of probabilities. I.e. The probability is that they are two personas of the same person.
Or 2 people working for the same company, or going to and posting from the same pub.
Sure, not impossible (see my comment in #54 above) but exceedingly unlikely on a purely random basis.
And if it was not purely random, that is if it was someone, say, working for the same company as burnsey66 or someone in the pub who had been introduced to TZ-UK by burnsey66, then this would be easily and readily explainable. It would seem from reports by people who have spoken to burnsey66 that no such explanation has been forthcoming.
( It should also be noted that knowing, as Eddie does, what the IP addresses are can potentially lead one to being able to find out more about the possible sources of the addresses. )
Thus, as it stands, there currently seems to be no substantive reason to doubt that sarky and burnsey66 are two personas of the same person.
Despite the very un-burnsey66-like post I linked to before which led me to think that sarky was not burnsey66, it now seems to me with the benefit of hindsight that the similarities outweigh the (intentionally introduced?) differences. I.e. It seems probable to me that sarky is burnsey66.
I think robt nailed it in the club thread.
If that was the comment about there not being a one-to-one mapping of IP addresses to people then this is true of course but see my message above (#57). Two separate people occasionally using the same IP in this manner is very unlikely on a purely random basis and, if it was occurring on a non-purely random basis (see #57 again), then it would be easily explainable. I.e. The balance of probabilities suggests that sarky is burnsey66.
I'll be very much surprised if it turns out that's it's not burnsey. Well, it's Christmas, according to my local Tesco, so miracles do happen :icon_biggrin:
Right, Sarky isn’t Josh, the somewhat overweight cyclist in too tight lycra who was also a wannabe pugilist. No, Sarky was Steve in disguise after all.
I tried, but its difficult when somebody deliberately doesn't post anything personal or pictures. I spent a whole hour on the sarky case as recently as Friday evening, but couldn't find anything valuable. His lingo sometimes reminded me of Burnsey, but I concluded it was somebody who wanted to impersonate him (see the bike episode).
When Steve showed up on Saturday morning, I even sent him a PM asking him to look at sarky's post for clues. He must have laughed his butt off.
Burnsey Burnsey give us your answer do
We’re half crazy about this other you
To avoid a justice miscarriage
And further words of disparage
Suggest at most that you might post
An apology a defence or two
Burnsey Burnsey give us your answer do
We’re half crazy about this other you
Pretending to be that Sarky
Was beyond a little malarkey
Suggest at most you might post
An apology a defence or two
Burnsey Burnsey give us your answer do
We’re half crazy about this other you
You’re not a terrible fella
Despite the gold Sky Dweller
Suggest at most you might post
An apology a defence or two
Burnsey Burnsey give us your answer do
We’re half crazy about this other you
Show us your moral fibre
The quality of your calibre
Suggest at most you might post
An apology a defence or two
(Regrets etc to Harry Dacre)
Superb ∆∆
sent from TZ-UK mobile app
Despite some members attempt to fill a vacuum the forum has been a better place since Burnsey stopped posting. He came across as an obnoxious individual who was quite happy to be nasty to some people,haranguing them about the forum under the guise of 'TZ guardian of righteousness' ,yet if anybody dared to answer back he would start throwing handbags and start shrieking about personal attacks.
Whether or not Sarky and Burnsey are the same person is immaterial.
Fair comments.
Steve is one of those people who I imagine could be good company, he certainly had made some friends here and face-to-face I think I'd get on with him. However, he could be a very nasty bugger and 'crossed the line' in his personal abuse of other members here.
Bottom line: only one person here decides who is acceptable or not and it seems that decision has been made.
R
Indeed. He pointed out a couple of times that he has an online persona (more than one, it would seem) and he was different in person. However, my view is that this is no excuse: In an online community it is the online persona that matters. What he might be like f2f doesn't make any difference here online.
All this, in my opinion.
So is he technically banned under both personas now or still able to comment off he wishes?
Confused since he started posting over weekend :)
Also did Sarky join same time as Burnsey's self imposed exile?
If your opinion of Burnsey is based on actually knowing him rather than making assumptions then Id take it as valid.
He is a good bloke who doesn’t suffer fools of which he found himself encountering all too frequently.
Love him or hate him I fear some have formed an opinion with no substance and thus denied themselves the chance to get to know a quality bloke
Probably loved his Mum too.
Does that mean we can all be offensive but its ok because deep down because we are nice blokes when not behind the keyboard?
Don't quite get that logic to be honest.
Is this directed at me? If so then here is my response.
I most certainly know exactly what he was like here on the forum. I have assumed nothing. Everything I say is based upon observed fact and reality. My comments are based upon that knowledge.
As I said, what he is like in person is utterly irrelevant to his behaviour and persona(s) here on this forum.
All the substance necessary is right here on the forum, which is the only place where I and most other people who are members of this forum come into contact with him.
Sure, if you meet him in person and get on with him then that's great (for you). But it's completely irrelevant to his behaviour and persona(s) on this forum.
I've spent an hour searching IP addresses and not even checked a third of them but this is what I've got. I'm sure there will be more but I have other things to do.
http://www.tz-uk.com/pics/IPaddresses.jpg
Eddie
As a foreman on a jury i find the defendant GUILTY
As 3 of the IPs are Sky, could be the same pub.
Exactly. I still have screen grabs somewhere of his opinion of people with any form of depression or mental health and how they should all be killed. But hey, I'm sure he's a really nice person underneath the really aggressive and unpleasant online persona and any other opinion based on a few years of being subjected to his drivel here is invalid as he's such a nice bloke in the pub.
Don’t think I’ve seen these ?
I don't recall any mask! I always felt he was part of the problem but it doesn't really matter now or then. I just avoided his posts or any interaction for the most part.
Didn’t know the guy, didn’t have any dealings with him, didn’t read much of the trivia he wrote, feeling quite smug now.
i cant claim to know Steve, only that he was quite friendly to me once or twice, and we may have dealt on SC,
this whole thing depresses me really, i guess a miss a lot of this as i largely ignore the bear pit etc, but if this what grown men (in the main) are reduced to on a forum conceived to market the owners watches and allow members discuss other watches, then i am lost for words.
Such a shame Eddie has to mess around playing Poirot rather than creating great watches or simply enjoying life.
I can't understand all of this duplicate ID stuff etc.
What is wrong with these people that they would make mugs of their friends?
I guess the answer is that they get a thrill out of fooling people.
Weirdos.
I spoke to Steve once , who offered to look at and if need be, buy a watch on my behalf, way up country.
Seemed like a really sound bloke.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's more to this..
I'd rather be called naieve than cynical...
I don't understand the idea that you're one persona on here but completely different in 'real life'. Who would make themselves out to be a complete tool if they're not? Presumably someone who gets a kick out of pretending to be different people.