Reply With QuoteND clearly seems to be the majority - but I disagree, you need the date.
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Submariner for me.
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ND clearly seems to be the majority - but I disagree, you need the date.
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So glad this topic has come up I'm currently looking to pick up my first Sub looking for pre owned and found myself leaning towards the ND but people kept saying the cyclops is what makes it stand out. But I guess it's personal choice and the ND prices seem very good ATM if buying late 90s ones.
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It's either Submariner or Submariner Date. I prefer the Submariner personally and if you have to know the date on your watch then use the bezel.Originally Posted by woodacre1983
I think some of this Puritanism is getting a little silly, especially to the point that the use of the bezel to somehow indicate the date has been suggested on a watch which comes with the option of a legible, well executed, quickset date... to some I suppose the Cyclops is an issue, if so then there's the Seadweller (until now).
I more than understand the appreciation of the original, dateless form of the Submariner. It's a design classic. In an ideal world I'd have my 16610 for daily wear, and a 5513 or 5512 on leather for weekends, and as a pickup and go automatic watch without a date to set.
However, there's nothing wrong with the Submariner Date! It's also iconic, wears really well, is tough, etc. and unless you're a frequent traveller/have family across the world, in which case a GMT function might come in handy, I think it has the two most useful features in a watch (minute bezel + date).
I more than understand the objection to badly done dates, and would rather not have a date than have a badly done one, but there seem to be some who actively hate date windows, and what they stand for. It's like people who say the only cars you can have fun in are ones with manual gearboxes, or that driving an auto doesn't make you a 'real driver'.
Clearly divers like knowing the date anyway, look at the Ploprof/Seadweller etc. Almost as if they didn't spend the entirety of their lives underwater...
I can never remember the date though, so I want one on most of my watches (but would happily buy some without.)
Edited to add: I don't mean to criticise those who simply prefer the Sub without a date, they look great, hark back to (or are) the original ones, and are cheaper, so if you can remember the date - why not! It's just there are some (not necessary in this thread, Hodinkee comments are particularly bad for it re: dates in general) who seem to think it's almost a moral question.
Last edited by Dark Side of The Loon; 1st April 2017 at 08:30.
So subjective...only agree with half of you lot on this one....mate...just go for which ever one best pleases your eyes...then forget about it and enjoy the watch
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I think it says a lot when new the date subs are harder to come by and the vast majority left are the non dates so the general public must like the dates, and in the real world especially when i went to london a few months ago a lot of people had subs ( i know a bit sad looking at peoples watches )and i didnt see a single non date one
There's no bad choice here, just preference, they're both great watches. I had a 16610 but couldn't get along with the Cyclops hence the 14060, I will be picking up a 114060 in the summer too
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You may find this tedious I replied because I found it useful if you find it so tedious just don't reply...
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Opinions change, there's no harm is asking the question again, you could always unfollow this thread if it bothers you
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I agree.
And how boring would forums be if people only ever used the search function instead of starting conversations.
And maybe some people who have never commented on the topic before (like me) would like to do so now.
Some forum members really are miserable sods.
I was never a fan of the cyclops so that's why I initially liked the ND. These days I don't mind the cyclops at all but I still prefer the Submariner over the Date because it's a classic and cleaner design.
The ND is the original Rolex dive watch and everything else: the Date, SD, DSSD is derivative. I think it is great that they still make this watch at all and even with the latest updates to the model, I see it as very much their heritage piece in the lineup.
I find it ironic as well that their cheapest dive watch is also the best looking (IMO of course).
As someone said above, the Date is harder to find on the high street, but I think it is obvious why that is and yet the forum members seem to generally prefer the ND: the cyclops is what Joe Public associates with the Rolex brand and without it, to them it looks like the ND is not a Rolex...
....my partner, who wears an Air-King (because she is not keen on the cyclops) once had an acquaintance accuse her of being flash by wearing a "fake watch" because her Air-King "didn't have a bubble". The best bit of all is this person worked in a jewellers!
I've never had a first hand anecdote that so perfectly captured how little the average person knows about watches and how powerful Rolex branding is. Your average punter in search of a status symbol won't want everyone not recognising the £6k watch on their wrist.
Aficionados can like both models, but they are a monitory.
Well I've found all the responses very helpful and enjoyed looking at some nice looking watches.
Definitely, the cyclops is as much as a recognised feature of a Rolex as the Oyster bracelet which is what 'the general public' want from the brand. And why they feature on nearly every sports model. It's only us weirdos that want no-dates and strap options.
As for dates on watches, my family members always have them set to the wrong date anyway.
That's because 99 percent would never have known that the original Submariner's did not have a date function. A diver does not care what the date is when he's underwater for an hour. However, a date function on the SD does make sense as they are / were used for saturation divers who would spend long intervals living in decompression chambers and therefore would want to know what date it was.
I think if you wanted to sell it in the future the date version would be eaiser to sell if your planning to keep it it makes no difference
Pre ceramic = date
Ceramic = non date
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No date
Until the battery runs out, you will only need to set it twice a year.
The majority on this thread, and on previous Polls here are suggest the no-date is more popular, so how would it be harder to sell?
One listed last night sold in under half an hour.
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...tium-dial-SOLD
I was talking about what the general public like to buy not tz forums so a much larger market place
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Had two. No date didn't last long, but loved the LVc which only went in the end to fund a bigger purchase. I would buy one again if prices hadn't risen so much since I sold
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Initially bought a ND as liked the clean looks; but after 4m flipped for s/h SubC Date, as didn't realise I needed the check the date so muchexpensive lesson :(
I own both the 14060m and the LVc. The last one I'd sell in the ND.
If I were buying a sub it would be a no date
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- Oh Hang on - was that posted on 1st April?
Non dates for me.
Date windows are one of my biggest sticking points. If it's not at 6 or 12 then no-date for me!
Amazing looking, although both different the design is virtually identical.Non dates for me.
May I assume that April fool's day had an influence on your post? Or was it a typo?
I am sure I spotted and corrected that typo. I guess I mistyped it a second time :)
Corrected now (or may be not)
Date is integral to the look. The cyclops makes it a sub.
Non for me. It's a tool watch
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That's not a very informed or intelligent post.
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I think the Cyclops makes it a sub date
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I tried quite a few on before getting one, and opted for the non-date version.
Looks far nicer on the sub.
No date makes more sense! Aesthetically it's nicer, the cyclops doesn`t help the watch in my opinion, and you won't be too concerned about knowing the date on a weekend.
To quote the Nike t-shirt......'Just do It'
Paul
There is no choice. The cyclops is a wart on the most classic of sports' watches. It stands there purely as a 'look at me, I have a Rolex' wart.
So ND or SD.
I'm a fan of the cyclops, plus I find a date very useful so I'd be going Sub date.
Think it looks more elegant without the date
It's a real pain in the *+** not having a date but....I think the symmetry without it is perfect.
So clean looking with no date
Maybe I'm just getting older but simpler is better...
I've got a no date sub. Really quick and easy to set if not being used.
I take back what I said. I tried on a no date and a date sub today at an AD while on holiday in Istanbul. No date suited my father in law but I am in love with the date sub and really want one now.
Hate the cyclops is basically ruins the crystal
Who needs the date magnifying anyway?
Mozza
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Both great watches, go with what feels right for you
Lovely Paul, the 2-line subs are my favourites.Non dates for me.
Some nice watches Here! It's got to be no date with me. Personally I've never been a huge fan if the bubble - in my mind it detracts from the watch somewhat.
Finally decided to go with the Sub Date, I do really like both watches but I feel gravitated towards the date.
My AD has promised me I'm next on the list and they are hoping they get one in a delivery today, ready for collection tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
Currently on holiday in Istanbul. Had a choice of date or no date both with about £500 off. Plus tax free on top. AD said Rolex are restricting the UK market because the watches are cheap since brexit and foreigners are choosing to buy from there instead of their home country. "They are doing it for brand protection."
Cheers Marcus and trust all is well buddy
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