Thanks for the picture. Those prices only strengthen my opinion that Rolex do remain pretty good value.
Yup - I received the PP pack from a Manchester official agent in December 2016, and prices are valid until further notice.
wow my post is hitting the 12k - seems to be a topic of desire :-) I am still waiting for my PP
Ok - little update for everyone (that is interested in my journey and why I opened this thread initially). Got news from PP, they say that they got their allocation numbers and I will be luck in 2018 or 2019 for the 5167 and 5711.
Another AD emailed me and said for the 5712, it will be 2018 (May or so).
I am no considering to forget the semi boring PP's and go for this http://www.iconicwatches.co.uk/as-ne...-116500ln.html
But I would like to get opinions from the high rollers here in the community and if a price/premium like this makes sense.
I am also still playing with the thought of Saxonia Moon Phase (white gold), 116655 or the new Blancpain Fifty F. in 38mm that will be released at Baselworld in March.
Dream post SIHH would be the 15202 all gold but $55,400k impossible. - however new 15400 with great dial is quite nice too :-)
Thoughts? especially on Daytona. Many Thanks
Does anybody know the current RRP from AP for steel 15202
Does anyone have current list??
The retail for the 15202 was around GBP 18.5k but think its now GBP 19k plus change post the price increase
^+1 - this was my thought from quite some time ago.
1. Current list is £19,200
2. I believe the 15202 is boutique only - there is no UK AP boutique. Nearest one is Paris.
3. All the boutiques I have enquired at have a waiting list for the watch.
4. HY Jewellery in Knightsbridge have a brand new one in for £19,950.
All of the above is probably academic in any case as you will probably post next that you are now on the waiting list for a Vacheron Constantin or some other watch .......
Pretty sure that both AP in Harrods and Selfridges have had SS jumbos pass through them previously when I was making enquiries a few months ago. That may have changed since then but I've also seen gold jumbos in both locations more recently.
There was a PP 5167a on SC recently. Surprised the OP didn't jump at the chance of buying that.
Hmm Harrods is where I bought my 15400 and when I asked about a 15202 in SS with blue dial I was told it was boutique only. Selfridges is TheWatchgallery if you look on their website they indicate the watch is discontinued.
I enquired about the 15202 SS Blue dial just two weeks ago at an AP boutique - told it was boutique only and they had a waiting list for the watch.
The version with blue dial in gold is readily available and I tried one on at the same boutique - not for me.
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Totally agree, you can't be taken seriously. You want to know about a watch and then another and then are offered some but still the thread goes on and on. What exactly are you after? Unicorn watches don't exist.
Don't want the harsh criticism? Then look at this thread and think about what you are asking.
Very boring.
Just to calm aggressive members down here. I bought a JLC in the meantime. Had to do it post SIHH.
Hoorah. Pics please.
Not in my possession just yet. Should be ready for me by the end of May they told me after I paid full deposit. I chose the chrono out of the new blue triple collection
I rang a Patek AD last week to try and get on a waiting list for a 5711 Nautilus.
"We don't take names over the phone Sir" I was told.
"Hmmmmmm...." I thought.
My older brother already has an AP (bought new from a UK AD) so he tried for me.
"We don't take names for 5711's Sir, we simply don't get them so there's no point having a list".
WTF?!?!?!?!?
I'm "on the list" for a ceramic Daytona at several AD's (and been told I'm next in line at one of them) so how on earth do 5711's ever hit the market??
It's all about allocations. PP Salons and authorised dealers get their allocation numbers at the beginning of the year Jan/Feb and then they check their waiting lists. The lists for the blue and white dial 5711 might be so long that they don't see the point of taking people on anymore. Whatever they then tell people on the phone.
I wasn't even put on the list for my BLNR without going to the dealer in person. In my experience, it is quite important and nice for yourself too, to meet the dealer and build a relationship. You never know - their attitude and lists might change later on. BUT 5711 in SS is just a tricky one at the moment. But this might change in the next 2-3 years who knows. Please don't pay the crazy premium anywhere. There are shops out there in London that want 23-24k for the 5711 white dial SS.
P.S. I am only on 3 waiting lists at 2 different stores. For the 5167 and 5711 (white dial) and 5712.
Apparently it might be my turn in May 2018. That would be 2 years by then I think.
I guess when an AD gets their allocation at the start of the year from Patek etc it is simply just the total and no specific time frame regarding which months etc?
does anyone know for how much the new yellow gold 15202 (https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/au...02-yellow-gold) will go for in the UK?
RRP USD 55,400
I received a call from my local AD today stating that a 5711 with my name on it is due in the next two weeks.
It's a little early as the approx delivery date quoted was around the end of the year, but that's not important.
Then came the caveat - that PP insist that the warranty card will be withheld for 12 months after purchase to prevent re-selling on the grey market.
I was half prepared for this as I had read about this before and various other similar shenanigans by Rolex dealers, but this was the first time that the dealer had mentioned this to me.
I'm not really that bothered about this, but curious as to whether any other recent PP purchasers have been similarly treated.
I don't recall reading about any recently and wondered if it is a PP policy or one randomly applied by individual dealers at their discretion.
Interesting.
Personally it would not bother me however its still ridiculous in the sense they make a sale and its your property!
Im guessing its your local ADs policy
I bought 2 Patek SS Nautilus this year and got everything double sealed with all tags and paperwork. I would not get a watch without paperwork. However I guess if this is 100% a keeper for you, then it doesnt matter too muchl.
Thanks for that. It looks like it's just the particular policy of my local dealer.
It's not such a big deal. Even if I decide to take it and it's not a long term keeper, it's only 12 months without the warranty card.
Having said that, I'm now wondering if the 5711 is the one for me now. I was offered a 5712 by the dealer when I first enquired about the 5711 about a year ago but I found the 5712 dial cluttered and I wasn't keen on the lack of symmetry.
However, it's grown on me over the last year and I'm beginning to think now that I prefer the extra complication of the 5712.
I have owned a 5711 Blue, 5711 white, and now a 5990.
For me the 5711 is just not that awesome and i mean that as no offence to anyone. It is essentially a 3 hand watch and its one of those watches that makes me feel that "I SHOULD" love this watch because everybody does and the resale is amazing. Personally i prefer the more complicated Nautilus or even the white one i feel is fresh.
[QUOTE=Wallasey Runner;4239907]If you are forced to wait the full four years and there are several price rises in that period, is there not a logic that paying a premium now to jump the queue becomes a sensible proposition and no dearer in the long run, plus an additional four years of enjoyment - Watchfinder have two blue dial 5711s in stock for example.
Totally agree with that logic.
Patek Philippe are now holding onto the paperwork of their highly sort after pieces.
I know that the 5131 WT with enamel dial is one such piece. And it comes as no surprise that they are doing it with probably their most sort after S/S piece.
If you are contemplating keeping it then it should never be an issue.
As we know Rolex watches are doing something, but from what I understand, it is more of a dealer requirement than Rolex itself.
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It won't. Grey dealers will just press on without the paperwork. Why wouldn't they? If end user buyers who buy from ADs are happy to take the watches without the paperwork (or at least tolerate it) then so will end user buyers who buy from grey dealers.
Ultimately it won't make any difference to the grey market. The grey market exists because there is demand. This will not change until the demand is met or demand reduces. Lack of papers won't reduce demand since, as I note above, it affects both (some) ADs and (some) grey dealers.
None of this is is evidence that withholding documentation is a PP policy.
Electronic printing on the guarantee documentation is not evidence that withholding documentation is a PP policy.
The existence of application pieces is not evidence that withholding documentation is a PP policy.
Just saying that (certain) ADs has been known to withhold documentation is not evidence that withholding documentation is a PP policy.
So I ask again: Where is the evidence that it is Patek Philippe ordering ADs to withhold documentation? None has been provided so far, as far as I have seen.
Remember that what ADs say is not evidence of anything, as we saw with Rolex ADs: They are known to make stuff up.
As with Rolex, only a direct, attributable comment from Patek Philippe or sight of a letter from PP ordering ADs to withhold documentation would constitute actual evidence
As you know I have owned several patek pieces. I am on whatsapp basis with the head of the patek boutique in london. Now I cannot vouch that this is a GLOBAL policy. But for London, and only for SOME pieces, the 5131 being one, they have informed me that Patek withholds the paper.