Reply With QuoteThat is indeed a very cool trick !
Just setting the time on my 5712, first time since the lovely lady at PP boutique set it, unscrewed and pulled out the crown, I noticed the second hand kept running so as for setting it to the second which I never do looked impossible even if I wanted to.
So as I was sat there twiddling the crown clockwise & anticlockwise I noticed the second hand slowed a little, turned it a little more then it stopped, I then turned a little more and the second hand started again but this time running Backwards but only for 5 secs then it stopped, turned again and it set off.
Set the watch all ok, I'm not sure if this is a really good feature or not I suppose it's just a matter of getting used to it, I had to phone PP London I have never seen this before they confirmed it was right, most of the clients aren't bothered to the second so they only explain if asked.
Obviously I didn't ask.
Last edited by Fords; 20th February 2016 at 18:57.
That is indeed a very cool trick !
That's the same with most non-hacking movements in my experience. I looked into it once and was told it's fine and doesn't affect the movement negatively.
Never had a non hacking movement, but actually being able to reverse the second-hand was quite cool.
I've often done this, albeit never on a PP. Many years ago I read on the old Timezone site that it put undue strain on some part or other but I've also read accounts that contradict that.
What's a PP?
See the second Note for Omega’s c.1861 manual-winding chronograph (and others) on page 22 of their Operating Instructions: link:
"…calibres 1861, 1863 and 1866 do not have a ’stop-second’ mechanism. To synchronise, the crown should be gently turned backwards and pressure maintained to stop the seconds hand. Release when the display corresponds to the timing signal and push crown back to position 1."
Last edited by PickleB; 20th February 2016 at 20:01.
Seikos are the same.
Originally Posted by soapy
anyone going to tell me?
Patek Philippe
[QUOTE=soapy;3880090]anyone going to tell me?[/QUOTE
Patek Philippe
Too late
Last edited by Davidd; 20th February 2016 at 20:25. Reason: Answered
Thanks, I thought it was some kind of Omega for some reason.
Nah...try:
...instead.
Grown men don't play with their Pee Pee.
They get someone else to do it for them ?
Fords PP
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(NSFW)
Last edited by seadog1408; 20th February 2016 at 21:12.
Nothing good comes out of PPP ( playing with PP ), no matter who does it.
My Speedmaster is the same - a little back pressure on the crown stops the second hand, a little more and it goes into reverse. I hope that's normal; but it does need a service!
From memory my Speedy manual tells you how to manually hack using the crown, done this on my seikos for years.
Last edited by geran; 20th February 2016 at 21:33.
Miyota 8215 and 9015 and Vostok movements can do the same. It only works on the Miyotas when they are minimally wound, though. Works on some non-hacking Seiko movements too.
5146 is the same.
Some, the cheap ones — anything with a 6r or better movement will have the hacking function.
What a great find seadog, maybe you could come to some of the group sessions that are organised at the unit and share your find with some of the veterans who suffered life changing injury's.
Last edited by Fords; 21st February 2016 at 09:39.
Can do, do you deal with other losses, or do you just do penises.?
Your obviously taking the Arthur Bliss PP 5712. Yes it's an Omega.
My Seiko Monster does this. I'm not sure if it's really a healthy thing to do. I don't really mind on a disposable watch like the Seiko but I'd be cautious doing it on something nice.
We do deal with other losses, unfortunately we do not have a group that deals with sad old losers so don't bother.
Last edited by Fords; 21st February 2016 at 22:25.
Winding the crown back will usually stop the movement, particularly if the watch is in a low state of wind, thus allowing it to be hacked. However, it depends how tight the canon pinion is; often on old watches the canon pinion gets slightly lose and this trick won`t work. In such a case there will be little resistance to setting the hands and eventually the minute hand won`t turn when the watch is running.
Paul
Any watch can do this if the tightness of the canon pinion can overcome the force on the centre wheel (sometimes called the second wheel, the one that does one revolution every hour) generated by the mainspring.
If the movement is non-hacking, why mess about? All I do with my Archimede Deck Watch, which gains a little and has a 6498-2 movement, is to set the hands so the watch is reading slow. I know it will gain over a number of days and then be reading fast, so I do this when it's @ 30secs fast, back to 30secs slow, gains a minute so is 30 secs fast, etc etc. It's never more than 30 secs out, which is more than accurate enough for day to day wearing.
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