Reply With QuoteInteresting. Column wheel and a 70hr power reserve. Looking forward to seeing what they put it in.
Breitling have just unveiled the new B01 movemet, a fully in house movement designed from scratch, it's an automatic chrono movement, it will be interesting to see exactly which watch they put it in first, and i know i'll be buying it.
Thanks,
Andrew
http://www.breitling.com/calibreB01/index_en.html
Interesting. Column wheel and a 70hr power reserve. Looking forward to seeing what they put it in.
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
I thought you'd abandoned watches?!?!
Sounds good. I wonder if they'll put in the more tooly stuff straight away?
As it's a breitling they will put in a skeleton case and bling it to high heaven..oh and put a car logo on it :wink:
My hat is off to them for doing this, however 70h power reserve automatic chrono blingthing? 8k and upwards is my guess on the price :roll:
I'd better get saving then, just phoned my AD and asked them to keep me informed as to what it will be put into and to also put me on the list straight away for whatever it will be :DOriginally Posted by vaizki
Ohhh and i had abandoned watches, but news like this doesn't come around very often, and has drawn me back in :twisted:
Thanks,
Andrew
You must tell me which skeletons Breitlings make - I've been looking and I can't find one I like :shock:
No doubt this news will get the Omega fanboiZ all antsy. Good for them - no more ETA.
Interestingly, much of the press release related to the efficiency of the manufacturing process, suggesting this will (in time) become a cheaper movement to make than the Piguets etc of this world. And as most Breitlings are chronos, they've certainly got economies of scale to exploit. Be interesting to see if they offer both 12-6-9 and 3-6-9 layouts so that existing models can be adapted to take it...
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
We've been through the "Breitling are shiny rubbish" debate enough times already I hope.
Whatever you think of them, it's good news that other firms are developing movements, and that sounds like an interesting one. I guess it must have twin barrels to get a 70 hour reserve.
It sounds a great movement but i bet you they use an ETA base plate then build around it , you wait.
If they do go fully inhouse then that is great becuase new breitling's at the mo seem to be taking a beating in forums for the quality of timekeeping and the quality control seems to have gone a little skewed. I love Breitlings, although older the better for me. :lol:
The watch is built and designed fully in house, so no using an ETA base.
Thanks,
Andrew
But you don't buy new Andrew!
Might be a long wait til' there's one on the SC.
Chris
I'll buy this baby new, have bought new twice on Breitlings, but never again well i say that but i need to have this movement :D so will have to buy new or source pre owned.
Thanks,
Andrew
I doubt it will be cheap, but I hope they put it in some of their more 'tool' oriented watches, rather than the Bentley ones.
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
An inhouse movement. :shock:
Not before time IMO in a firm that sells expensive watches and says it has been going since 1844. :wink:
Cheers,
Neil.
Indeed, only firms that have always used in house movements are proper watchmakers. So that leaves, erm... :D
You must be thinking of 1988, not 2008. Very few people here or elsewhere have anything bad to say about the timekeeping or quality. The styling, sure, even the people who wear them are considered fair game by some of the more, ah, prejudiced forum-goers.
AIUI Breitling was one of the three manufacturers which brought the first automatic chrono to market (1969). And it invented the first chrono wristwatch (1915). This new movt seems like a natural progression after relying on ETA following the jump-start of the brand in 1984.
And Neil, it was 1884. Know your enemy, k :)
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
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We haven't been told how thick the B01 is going to be ...
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The EBEL Calibre 137 chrono came and went and neither the press or the buying public seem to pay too much attention. Perhaps in-house doesn’t excite as much the pocket as it does the mind. Or perhaps the Ebel models were not pretty enough. :P
john
"The whole purpose of mechanical watches is to be impertinent." ~ Lionel a Marca, CEO of Breguet
IIRC the specialist press was cock-a-hoop about it. The internet WIS community, on the other hand, did mostly pass it by, because of the badge - but then at heart they're all brand sluts anyway, just like the rest of us.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
Ahem and +1 to that - looking forward to it, i really miss my Navitimer
Ahem and +1 to that - looking forward to it, i really miss my Navitimer
Good to see. I think the prices they currently charge justify a little more than a modified ETA or Valjoux. I am suprised that they have never done a in-house movement considering their history. Have a Speedmaster and a Planet Ocean but would love to get my hands on a Navitimer. Clearly the classic of the Breitling stable that I feel sometimes spends too much time trying to appeal to rap stars with 48mm bling models
It seems that in-house is coming back in fashion with Omega now producing the 8500 and putting it in more and more models. I appreciate that Omega has produced in house in the past but with the near collapse of the swiss watchmaking industry in the 80's I think a lot of brands went to ETA's to survive. Good to see that in-house movements are back in vogue.
If the credit crunch bites as much as it appears that is going to bite ... then all these in-house will go back where they came from. The days of the flashing Brightblings are over.
john
"The whole purpose of mechanical watches is to be impertinent." ~ Lionel a Marca, CEO of Breguet
No doubt Breitling's curator will be surprised to hear that, since they made the first chronograph wristwatch in 1915 :). Where did you read this, out of interest?
It is good to see. (BTW on the web you'll find an article by Omega's Head of Product Devt wherein he states that ETA actually manufacturers the 850x, and the Omega "compound" does only the assembly and casing. But we shouldn't hold that against them.)It seems that in-house is coming back in fashion with Omega now producing the 8500 and putting it in more and more models. I appreciate that Omega has produced in house in the past but with the near collapse of the swiss watchmaking industry in the 80's I think a lot of brands went to ETA's to survive. Good to see that in-house movements are back in vogue.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
Well the URL right up in the first post leads to Breitling's presentations which says...No doubt Breitling's curator will be surprised to hear that, since they made the first chronograph wristwatch in 1915 :). Where did you read this, out of interest?
So I guess that's where we read it :)Breitling is marking an important date in its history by unveiling Caliber B01, it's first chronograph "motor" designed and built entirely in-house.
Surprises me also, maybe they've had just non-chronos before or maybe they just didn't call them motors (what's that about anyway).. :?
Nice 8) .
I wonder what the cheapest version will cost.
Cheers,
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Agreed Neil :)
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I have no idea. Breitling's other marketing blurb mentioned a smaller chronograph that would fit in a wriswatch case, developed by them in 1915. One of them is wrong, or at least, misleading :?. Or maybe the barrel came from a different manufacturer back then which means that today they can re-write the history to make everything look more appealing.
Come to think of it, this 2009 marketing blurb also does a disservice to the team which invented Cal 11, or perhaps Breitling has relinquished all claim to that? I think TAG-Heuer still mentions it, even though (somewhat ironically) TAG's classic chronos often feature the Zenith movement.
Hmm. Perhaps, given this marketing effort, I should wait until someone does a factory tour to discover that this new movt is actually as "in-house" as my car (whose shocks are from Sachs, brakes from ATE, interior mouldings from Dura, alternator by Bosch, pistons by Mahle, control arms by Lemfoerder, seats by Lear...) :)
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
I didn't know that Toyota used so many european parts :twisted:Hmm. Perhaps, given this marketing effort, I should wait until someone does a factory tour to discover that this new movt is actually as "in-house" as my car (whose shocks are from Sachs, brakes from ATE, interior mouldings from Dura, alternator by Bosch, pistons by Mahle, control arms by Lemfoerder, seats by Lear...) :)
Tage
So too, I hope, for the leopard Daytona and jewelled Datejust. And perhaps the days of crazy prices for certain old dive watches too?If the credit crunch bites as much as it appears that is going to bite ... then all these in-house will go back where they came from. The days of the flashing Brightblings are over.
john
The Ebel question is an interesting one. I think they have quite a strong visual identity with the bezel screws and lugs, and they seem to be watches that people either get or don't. I find them interesting mechanically but the look of them is just wrong for me, in the current range at least.
Most interesting & hats off to Breitling for their R&D, good to see manufacturers still .. hopefully it'll go in a case that matches the design & innovation ..
/vince ..
What actually did Breitling do along with Heuer?
Neither firm had experience with movement building, previously using Venus, Valjoux.
I assumed they designed and built the chrono module (or possibly bankrolled someone to do it for them :wink: ) that they slapped on to the extant Buren microrotor. If there had been no microrotor it wouldn't have been possible.
I wouldn't call the Cal.11 in house as it is rather like these multiple make cars you see now designed between three firms.
Cheers,
Neil.
Agreed, will be interesting to see what they pull out of the hat :)
I think that the selling point will be the price and looks, not the fact that it's an in-house movement.
I know for a fact that nobody likes my Ebel E-type chrono, and it has a very nice movement........... :roll: :) .
Cheers,
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
They sat in the corner, guffawing quietly whilst eating dead babies and buying their way into the history books with stolen Nazi gold. Would that suit your worldview a little better, Neil :lol:What actually did Breitling do along with Heuer?
It was a joint effort by Breitling & Heuer (funding and managing it), Buren (which provided the flattest 'tractor' available) and Dubois-Depraz, which manufactured the chrono module to the combined design. Easy to trash it now, hindsight being 20-20 and all that, but it was the first to market.
http://www.onthedash.com/docs/Project99.html describes exactly who did what in much detail.
According to this huge article, Buren won a patent dispute with Universal Geneve, they of current micro-rotor fame, requiring UG to pay a fee to Buren for each microrotor movement. Interesting that in both cases, the pioneer ended up giving way to the second-placed.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
i can not wait, i think its about time that breitling have there own in house movement especially with a brand that competes with the like's of rolex. i am looking forward to owning this movement. i know some people don't understand the in-house movement thing, but i feel that an in-house movement makes the watch more special even if the movement is not as good as an out-sourced movement.
That's what I heard as well. :lol:
It was apparently although there is always the Seiko 6139 from the same year which was built from the ground up as an integrated auto chronograph and also from '69 the El Primero.
Cheers,
Neil.
Do they? :? Their watches are half the price of Rolex's.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
Very intersting - always good to see an in-house :)
It's just a matter of time...
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