https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...e-bow-out-june
Utterly depressing. Why do the motoring majority lap up this mobile living room nonsense? I do get sick of following the fat-a$£&ed things wobbling their way everywhere at 40mph. BMW and Porsche don't seem to have a problem building a variety of vehicles.
Only until next year...
"Jaguar's new era begins in 2025 with the introduction of a 600bhp electric four-seat GT car in the vein of the Porsche Taycan, which is thought to be followed a year later by a Bentley Bentayga-style luxury SUV and then a large luxury saloon."
So not all SUVs.
Still depressing though. Every other house has a huge Kia, Hyundai or MG outside. Big, cheap and nasty looking.
Unless the EV market turns around Jaguar won’t be making anything in the future. It was a very bold decision to go full electric when they did.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but EV is coming in just a few years for all the markets that Jaguar serves. Investing in petrol or diesel would arguably be every riskier for the company than doubling down on electric.Originally Posted by Stuno1
+1, hell will freeze over before I buy an SUV, ugly things that don't do anything a decent estate car or even a hatchback can do. As a Jaguar owner (XF) I still struggle to associate Jaguar with these boxes on wheels, goes against all my perception of what the brand stood for.
Suggest you go try an FPace P400 for even better an SVR, your conceptions might just change :-). :-)
my 3rd SVR after trying the P400, 'outguns' most of the competition !
Cheers, Peter
They go everything a decent estate or hatchback can do and are a more convenient height for getting in and out of.
+ a taller boot for transporting larger items...
Exactly, they can be very practical if you have kids and / or elderly relatives and are generally much more interesting than a van like MPV.
Not every one has the same criteria as Jeremy Clarkson when buying a car.
Do you mean the Jeremy Clarkson who has a Range Rover because he actually has a farm?
Gavin Green calls SUVs 'weapons'. The French have it right with their malus (on cars with high CO2) and high parking charges for SUVs in Paris. The sooner these overweight lumps are taxed off the road the better.
"A man of little significance"
Actually, you will find most EVs (or, Battery cars ....) are the same / heavier than many SUVs....
They serve a purpose, and as commented, make access etc much easier for people with small children, the elderly and people with disabilities.
Presumably high CO2 performance cars, that cannot be driven anywhere near their potential safely on the road, should also be taxed out of existence?
Regarding Clarkson, as a farmer he now needs an SUV. Range Rovers also often seem to be exempt from the usual "petrolhead" SUV critism for some reason.
SUVs are safer statistically, and with so many large SUVs and lorries already on the roads, drivers with families have to make a decision on the safety of their family when chosing a car. For example I believe no'-one has ever died in a Volvo XC90.
I'm not a fan of some of the larger SUVs especially when they will be occupied by only one person most of the time, however, for families, small to mid sized SUVs are a practical, safer and more interesting alternative to a van like People Carrier.
Is this the same Jeremy Clarkson that had Range Rovers way before he had a farm? The same JC that drove them because of the warm fuzzy feeling?
True, but they look shit, and until I reach the stage where I struggle to get in and out of a normal car I won' t have one . I have a large drive with parking at the front of the bungalow, whilst sat in my lounge I can see the arse end of my car, I prefer to look at a car that pleases me rather than an ugly brick. If I had to own an SUV I' d park it down the drive where I couldn' t see the bloody thing.
Regardless of the badge on the front all SUVs are totally devoid of style and aesthetic appeal, trying to make them look better is like trying to polish a turd.
With advancing years and knees that are feeling the effects of wear and tear, getting out of my Jag XF, involves a degree of pain especially after exercise . The car is surprisingly low for getting in and out, but at least it looks nice and that'll do for me. It'll be a sad day when it has to be replaced, there are very few cars currently being produced that I find appealing.
Funny that those who decry SUVs have never owned a bloody SUV.
Go try getting pegged, you might like that too.
Obviously. Why would you buy something that doesn't work for you. I've driven and been a passenger in plenty of SUV's from most of the major manufacturers and still don't want one. I think that they're great for a number of people, especially families but performance versions are purely member extensions. They are far too big and heavy to handle like a sports car with the same amount of power and if driven in anger on a racetrack would be left for dead. Around 20 percent slower around the Nurburgring than a sports car with equivalent power. Anyone who talks about SUV's in performance terms is over compensating.
Deleted. Not worth it.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Paul, I’m not a big fan of SUVs (although my wife drives a GLC) but there are some I’d take in preference to a Jag XF.
I respect the fact that you and others like them so I won’t call it shit though.
I spent a few days driving a DBX round Scotland and couldn't find a single thing about it that I enjoyed or even liked. It was too big for the roads and while it produced a decent amount of poke it was only good in a straight line. It was a proper mess to try to carry any speed into corners, very much a case of trying to drag 2+tons of weight down to a low enough speed to enter the corner (even with power steering it was not fun wrestling the thing through corners if you tried to carry even a reasonable amount of speed in) and then powering out (where the grip and ooomph were great, its only party trick). There was no skill in driving it, other than keeping it within the lines on the road. It looked rubbish and I felt embarrassed every time I was in it. Had it been a Vantage estate, on the other hand, and weighted a few hundred KG less, it would have been a lot better.
I've also spent some time in a new Range Rover and thought it was as far from what I want in a car as possible. Yes, you are ensconsed in a much more glamourous and technologically advanced interior than most living rooms and it's very comfortable but I don't want to be detached from the road or want to look down on other people. I actually enjoy driving. I've had fun in vans, cheap rental cars, ridiculous supercars and who knows what else. I've never had fun in an SUV*.
*Actually, I have, when I straightlined some corners at the Nurburgring in one. But that's only because it wasn't any good at going round corners.
"A man of little significance"
Try towing these off a wet field with your estate car. One size does not fit all. Live and let live I say.
Try sitting in your lounge, taking in the rear end view of an FPace SVR - just have to love it ''fat and squat'' - on cars, I love it !!!
Might even add I think you're a tad biased..... :-)
Guess you've never tried following me in my F-Pace P400e then old chap.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Terrible state of affairs. Car industry is basically a scam.
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I've owned a number of suv' (Kuga, Range Rover, Honda CRV, Freelander, to name a few) so are definitely not against them, but the 'styling' has really gone to pot lately. Sat in Tesco carpark the other day waiting for wife and there were four suv's parked in my line of vision. All different manufacturers but if you took the badges off them they were 95% identical to one another and virtually impossible to identify. Blandola.
I love my xc60 suv and would replace it with an other suv in a heartbeat I have a knackered back and find it a lot easier to get out of than my Mrs fiesta and a lot comfier and love the driving position.
Best car I've ever had and I can't remember when driving in the UK had anything to do with enjoyment
This keeps happening, and these calling cards left, near my friends house:
I don’t like most SUVs but mainly on an aesthetic. But that’s not exclusive to SUVs. There are shed-loads of bland generic cars at the moment.
I don’t like that combustion engine SUVs are probably not as eco as we should be making new cars - and I don’t think the current format for electric vehicles is the solution - but I keep my neck wound in as I drive a Beemer with a massive engine and an old mental turbo’d Impreza
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