Reply With QuoteHave they said how long it will take to install? How many men for how many days?
The itemized list of parts all looks reasonable. What is "Materials" @ £600? Pipies, fittings etc? Are they using copper or plastic pipes and fittings?
I've been quoted for a new bathroom and very simply, I'd like to know if folks more knowledgeable than I am - perhaps who've had a new bathroom themselves recently, or do this sort of thing for a living - think the cost is reasonable? It is a pretty small ensuite and I'd expected the quote to come in at a bit less than it has (nearly £8K). But I may well just be out of touch with this sort of thing. Grateful for any advice.
The quote does include having the old bath, toilet and basin taken away.
Have they said how long it will take to install? How many men for how many days?
The itemized list of parts all looks reasonable. What is "Materials" @ £600? Pipies, fittings etc? Are they using copper or plastic pipes and fittings?
Sounds very, very expensive but trades tend to think of a number and double it these days. How many quotes have you had? Sometimes they don't want the work so quote high.
£2750 labour ? 2 weeks work?
Personally I’d say expensive it’s a small (ish) room
We recently had an en-suite built in one of our bedrooms - size was 2100 x 1000
We had a shower not a bath, but the rest was similar to yours - we bought most of the parts costing £2,400, (including the shower at £1,050 - good quality shower tray and door). Our sink was more expensive than usual as we wanted a certain size.
The builder came in at £5,800 including all the materials for building the walls, wooden door, extractor, downlights, etc., and including the electrician, the plumber and fitting vinyl tiles on the floor and the usual tiling of the shower area and part of the wall), and VAT. The Plumber had to take the waste through an outside wall and into an existing waste pipe which was replaced.
So all in all the total was £8,250 including VAT
Initially we though 2100 x 1000 internal measurements would be tight, but the size is good as a guest bedroom en-suite
We live "down South"
Last edited by BillN; 25th January 2024 at 17:15.
That's pretty expensive, probably nearly 2k in it.
I’d question the materials at £600 to find out what he’s including there but, as always, bits and pieces do add up.
Other than that, I think it’s not unreasonable and £2750 labour doesn’t seem outrageous for the job, it’s likely to take a week to ten days.
We had an en suite bathroom refit about 3 years ago. The room was slightly bigger than yours and included ripping out the old bathroom and tiles, re plastering and tiling, floor and all new components to include a shower over the bath (which I wish I hadn't bothered with!) Took 10 days.
£10k including VAT.
I think we paid too much but most quotes were the same.
I live in Surrey so that seems to carry a premium with everything : (
From my experience that is about correct.
Seems about right, it's a pretty comprehensive quote.
Comparable with several similar bathrooms friends and family have had recently in the south east. In fact less than some.
I fit bathrooms in Yorkshire, its too much, some of us who are still busy are pricing with our own interests foremost. Lewie is a bit behind the monies from my experience and talking with my other buddies.
It looks to me like some rounding and full retail on the gear-then the vat is bulking it up a fair bit.
Ours was circa £8k last year (south coast). Although our labour was slightly more but we got a decent discount on tiles.
I’d say it’s not far off then.
Hi
I have had quoted £6k for part bathroom makeover.
Take out existing bath, leaving rest of suite in-situ, install new 1.5m long shower, replace floor tiles, adjust copper & plastic waste pipework (hot-water cyclinder is accessed from bathroom), upgrade pump (serves an en-suite shower), include for extraction fan...........
L-K
Ah yes but I’m tight 😂Originally Posted by MCFastybloke
It’s probably the ‘going rate’
The vat ain’t helping,but I think the labour is expensive,the materials will probably be cheaper than that ,but the little bit saved on materials will be his profit.
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Is ‘his profit’ not the £2700 labour?
Think I’d shave £160 off the bath alone buying it here
https://www.heatandplumb.com/acatalo...EaAlDaEALw_wcB
Last edited by lewie; 25th January 2024 at 19:17.
I've just had several bathrooms done and opted for duravit kit and Hans grohe brass ware
I bought my hardware from elecmec in London. They are unbeatable on pricing
The last thing you want is to save a little (and that's all quality kit is....a little more expensive) and find your you're having to redo things because cheap stuff has worn out before you'd expect
I think the labour is probably fair
Find a non Vat reg lad and save 20% on the labour, negotiate a labour only deal and buy the stuff the self. There are some dangers and pitfalls with this.
Good advice.. will save a chunk of cash this way
I moved into a house with expensive bathroom stuff and it's was £170 for a replacement loo seat ! And that was in 2018.
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Just about to redo our bathroom and have a refresh in the ensuite.
General price were approx. new sanitary wear, radiators, shower tray (large quadrant) and doors, under sink cabinet, taps and shower head(s) main bathroom - 4k
Tiles for main bathroom and one wall en suite being re tiled - 1.45k
Guy coming in to do all the work, one man band who specialises in bathrooms - 3k
Now Im not in south of England and if i were I'd expect there to be a premium on the above, so based on that dont think yours is too far away.
Based on a similar experience it looks about right to me
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I live in the North West, so rates will be different, and was quoted just over 6k by one fitter with me supplying all hardware tiles etc.
I fitted it myself and paid a tiler (just to save some time).
Came to about 2.6k all in.
Took me less than two weeks and I’m a lot slower than a pro, so God knows what daily rate they were charging!
Best thing is to get at least three quotes and go from there.
Last edited by Cynar; 25th January 2024 at 20:54.
You are correct about the profit ,but the labour is too expensive by at least £1000.
So I was referring to making a bit on materials .
There’s no more than 5 days labour here for a tradesman and a lad if all materials are on site
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Have you seen the fitters previous work? Does he come by reputation from past customers? Are they known to have a high standard of work, good reputation?
These kind of questions are worth more than saving a few quid.
I'd say it's about right although I've just done a small ensuite complete refit for 2.9k. They bought the toilet and sink.
Oh and that bath looks really uncomfortable.
We have had our ensuite (3m x 2m) completely replaced with a walk in shower with 2m screen (no tray - a lot of levelling work to do but a sod to clean!) and cost was just over £10k (approx £5k labour for three lads) for floor levelling, materials, tiling, toilet, custom made vanity unit, new lighting, extractor feed, ceiling boards, new drainage. We bought the tiles ourselves. That price includes doing herringbone flooring with individual brick tiles, which took longer than planned. The people we used were suggested by in-laws, who’d used them on various occasions and never said a bad word, which we can now understand as we’re really pleased. The cost did initially seem excessive but when we break down what was done and the time taken (four weeks overall) as well as quality of workmanship, it seems fairly good value.
We didn’t get another quote based upon recommendation as well as specification of items supplied.
I’ve dealt with bathroom installers before and they’ve been nothing but trouble so was happy to go with a recommendation.
I’d say your price is reasonably fair. I can’t help but feel labour prices have significantly increased hence the quotes we’re all talking about.
Hope this helps
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Sorry, my figure didn’t include removal of waste but did include other necessary repair work (not seen) due to previously poor plumbing etc
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Yes, I agree about the bath and being 6'1" in height I'll definitely opt for something else.
We did use the same company to refit a different bathroom five years ago and they did a good job.
Grateful for all the comments and advice, thanks everyone.
A trap that people fall into is that thinking a small space/area/room will be quicker to do. But there’s still all clearing, making good, tiling, plumbing, fitting, electrics, just in a smaller space. Granted if you were tiling 4 square metres, it’s quicker than tiling 40 sq metres, but I’d still be expecting around 7/8 days on this.
Assuming everything goes to plan and no unforeseen issues that you can’t see until rip out starts.
Cheapest way would be to find a good recommended independent fitter, hopefully not vat reg, and you source hardware yourself. Depends how you value your own time and knowledge, plenty of choice out there, and even getting ex display stuff can help….
We were quoted £8k recently for a new ensuite (toilet, hand basin and bath) - your quote is probably par for the course. For me, the more important thing is the firms's reputation for doing a good job and being decent people to deal with.
We had our small bathroom, about 9'x9', completely redone in 2009. Bath, toilet and sink taken out, new ceiling with sunken lights, tiles on floor and walls, new cabinet across the width with sink and new loo, shower cubicle fitted.
As someone else has said, apart from the cost of more tiles and an extra day (max) for the tiler it's not really any cheaper than doing a bigger bathroom, all the hardwork and fitments are basically the same.
We went with recommended installers who bought the materials, suite, removed waste etc. Could have saved a few bob buying the stuff ourselves etc but both were working full time shifts at the time and having the only bathroom in the house out of action for a week is enough of a faff as it is.
Anyway, that came to £7k then, so I don't think the OP's quote is out of order at all.
Interesting to see prices.
We will be remodelling our main bathroom in the summer. It's pretty large but as some have said it's just more on the tiling.
Depending on pricing it might be worth flying my Middle son and our pal Curtis over from Fla to do it for cash.
Cheers,
Neil.
I've been reading this thread with interest as I'm having an entire new bathroom fitted next month and it's been something of a roller coaster getting things sorted.
It's a small bathroom about 7ft x 7ft but I'm having a walk in shower room built taking part of the adjacent bedroom. There's quite a story behind this but suffice to say that the first quote I got was from a builder who is a friend of a client who helped me view the house that I ended up buying in Oct 22.
He quoted me £17,000 for the bathroom. This included the building of the shower room, tiling to the shower room, new basin, bath, toilet, tiling to floor and one row of tiles above the bath. It also included a new window (double glazed) and the swapping of the basin and toilet around with replacement of the iron waste pipes outside. The walls would be stripped back and replastered together with tanking and painting the walls etc.
Even I thought this was high but when I mentioned it it to my client who is a plumber he said the builder was absolutely taking the piss and that he would get a quote together for me.
He got on the phone and within a day a lady from the local bathroom showroom came out to see me. Measured up and within an hour had sent an email with a link to a CAD 3d render that looked absolutely amazing. I went to the showroom and 'chose' the units/hardware etc so that the plumber could get a realistic quote. Long story short, the bathroom hardware alone came to £10k but the plumber said he would give me all his discount and he was confident it wouldn't be over £12k all in.
The new quote was using good quality stuff that I'd seen and chosen including a black framed triple glazed window, free standing oval bath, really nice black mixers and hardware, towel rails, black tiles to shower room, granite (non porous bathroom equivalent) topped basin unit, mounted toilet, Bluetooth speakers in ceiling with mood lighting spotlights and a touch activated cabinet with lights, heat pad to demist glass and usb/toothbrush charger sockets etc.
In addition, the plumber quote includes electric underfloor heating and the updating and repositioning of the stop cock in the hall.
There is no way that the builders quote would have included that level of quality gear so with that I made the builder aware of the plumbers quote. He threw his toys out of the pram and is now not talking to me.
The plumber came over just before Xmas and we ended up saving another £3k on items by buying some of it online. So the quote is now down to a maximum of £9k which given the work is very reasonable I think.
There's loads of variation in price for identical items when buying hardware
It pays to shop around
Check out the zhender outlet store for towel rails. 70% off for old season stock. Not seconds.
We had ours done last year and the labour was the same, £2750 although we had no var. the was the cheapest by a long shot so I feels it’s a good quote. West sussex
We paid just under 9k for slightly larger bathroom
5 years ago so (inc heated floor) in surrey. You’re price seems ok in comparison
My parents had their ensuite refitted last year. Similar size to yours. They got three quotes and each was between £10k and £12k. The finish in fairness is top notch and my parents didnt skimp on qulaity of materials but felt a lot and certainly made me hold off doing my own ensuite.
Done my main bathroom about 4 years ago. Kept the toilet, put in a new bath with mixer shower tap and sink. I wanted a walk in shower but the Mrs put her foot down on having a bath even though she has had maybe 2 or 3 in the last 4 years. New tiling on floor and wall, probably cost about grand. I’m not a builder or plumber but this stuff is fairly easy, especially the tiling.
I did this one for 10k all in
Nice job!I did this one for 10k all in
Cheers,
Neil.
Useful thread this. One thing I wil say don’t get black floor tile. Ours never seems to look clean and can’t wait to get shut of them
There is a job waiting for you in London one day!
I like it here in the North, thanks tho, its nice to do a nice one every now and then, customers up here who will pay at that rate are a rare find for me. I did two fir this family,this was the second.
The bathrooms i normally do are adaptations for the local authority as part of an accessible homes scheme,i am a contractor on this scheme.I like the better work but the scheme pays more.
I think you get could booked up with jobs from the top of the country to the bottom with that photo. Great job.
Thanks to all for the kind words.
Maybe i am a cynic, recommendation has carried me through the door on countless jobs but customers are focused on cost, only last week i put in a price for a bathroom, knock thru to the cupboard move bath alter layout, full tile, the blunt response was "Crazy, we got a quote of X" its just so time consuming. Around here i cant go quote in my car, haven't been able to do that for 20 years, being successful is a handicap. And trailing about estimating is a thankless task, i stick to my adaptations, the plan is done, schedule prepared by others, i desk top price it and wait. I do 4 quotes a week and win 20-25 jobs a year which equates to about 40 weeks work. The rest of the year- well there is Ryan Air.A small group of private customers who i do get work from are always delighted.
Thats very smart.
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