Reply With QuoteI had a broken ceramic crown replaced and it was £750.
I need more work on a root canal that was never really right after treatment around 5 years ago, it's a lower canine ;The dentist at the time said it was problematic and referred me to a specialist clinic but I didn't want to pursue it at the time. I picked it up again this week and the specialist is quoting 900 quid to do the work. no guarantees of course. alternative is extraction
I think it's pretty steep really, I wondered if anyone had any recent experience? I wondered about extraction and some sort of bridge/implant?
I had a broken ceramic crown replaced and it was £750.
Drop Trident a message - or likely he will come to the thread. I paid about that years back for a full root canal, so seems ok to me especially based on what my dentist charges for a 30 min clean.
I had root canal about 3 years ago and it was £700
Andy
Wanted - Damasko DC57
Just had root canal work and a temp crown done on Monday ( 2hrs in the chair! ) actual crown to be fitted next week, total cost £1100. 😞
Cheers..
Jase
Presumably you haven't been able to get an NHS dentist to do this? I had a root canal done a few years ago, which didn't go well so had a crown fitted. I think the root canal was £90 and the crown was £160 on the NHS.
My root canal work was after a nasty abscess developed, the only dentist at my practice to still do NHS work there said she was only doing emergency work, so the options were a temporary patch up job then sign up to a private plan for another dentist to do the rest of the work or an extraction, this is the new normal for dentistry, there is no such thing as routine NHS dental work anymore as far as I can tell.Originally Posted by MrBanks
Cheers..
Jase
Just get it removed.
Sounds like an Endodontist, which might be required, as you state Specialist.
https://www.75harleystreet.co.uk/roo...et-london.html
Im not promoting the above, just posting to give an example of stated prices well in excess of your quote.
The Missus has just spent the best part of £1000 having work done while on holiday in Poland - so probably not hugely cheaper if you need a specialist.
Ive spent many thousands on teeth, including another £2000 last week - it’s just crazily expensive these days.
Even our local NHS information states:
”There will be occasions where the endodontic treatment required is considered complex (posterior teeth/molars/multi or curved roots/previously failed treatment or retreatment of root canal) and your dentist may feel the prognosis of carrying out the root canal treatment themselves would be low in terms of success and you would need to be referred to a specialist endodontist or a dentist with a special interest in endodontics to receive the best outcome. This would be a private referral and would be an option given to you as part of your treatment plan by your dentist. Private fees for this treatment would not be available or refunded to the patient. All dentists are to work to the General Dental Council (GDC) standards which includes “standard 6.3.3 - You should refer patients on if the treatment required is outside your scope of practice or competence. You should be clear about the procedure for doing this.”. Therefore if your dentist feels they would not be able to deliver the treatment with a high % of success rate for you then it is correct that they offer to refer you to a more appropriate provider.”
It's just a matter of time...
Implant will be roughly 3K so I'd go with the re root treatment with the specialist as long as he/she thinks they can access the apex/end of the root.
As it's a single rooted tooth it should have more chance of success than redoing a molar tooth with several canals.
A molar root treatment with a specialist would be substantially more.
I had root canal and the dentist said if the root canal didn't work, I had four options...
(1) If it's near the back, pull the tooth out and leave a gap.
(2) Have a gap but have a single tooth denture made up.
(3) Have a bridge (was not recommended as you have to also prep the neighbouring tooth).
(4) Have an implant (which would cost £3k).
I had a root canal and crown done cost about £800.
Next one cost me £300 to end up being sent to a specialist because the dentist couldn’t find the roots.
He said he could do the root work would be £800, but 30% chance of failure and that would be £500.
Made my excuses and left as they used to say in the Sunday papers.
Told my dentist I’d like it taken out.
The dentist who does their extractions took it out and said, ‘just as well we took it out because you can see it was cracked anyway’.
No more crowns or root canal for me.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I had a root canal on a molar last month, £750
The restoration and crown is another £650, although that is a better option than a gap after extraction, or an implant that will cost £3000 and may not work.
The root canal took at least 3h, I got through two of the Fast and Furious franchise on his TV while he was working
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Had a root canal done and $1500 Canadian. Crown and dental work another $1000 from my dentist
Total £1487
Could have had it pulled for $200, but already lost a tooth on the other side and didn't want 2 gone
Turns out. My dentist only does xrays every other year. The missed year missed a cavity which grew and too close to the nerves to be removed
I had a root canal done a couple of years ago and my tooth was always sensitive to cold temps after it. I've put up with it for years but it became painful enough to warrant another visit not so long ago. After an x-ray by another dentist it appears the filling stuff didn't go down one of the holes and she said I need to go to an expert with a special camera.
When I said I thought she was the expert she said consider me a GP and them a consultant. Funny how there doesn't seem to be any responsibility taken at dentists. I wouldn't expect my GP to open me up and start doing an operation then if they mess up just shrug their shoulders if it goes wrong. Oh and pay for the attempt as well.
She did offer to take it out but seemed flummoxed when I asked what I was meant to chew my food with.
An old crown of mine fell out last week. Saw the dentist yesterday. I need a root canal and crown, total cost £981. My last one was £148, to say I was shocked is an understatement. However having just read this thread I actually feel a bit better emotionally, certainly not financially:)
Save your money.........................
Fuji 9
Had 2 root canals (totally painless as the teeth had cracked and the root had died) plus ceramic crowns on each teeth about 15 years ago - £1500. I don’t have any fillings and these were my only dodgy teeth - 15 years later they are still fine. So your quote doesn’t seem too bad. For those suggesting an extraction instead - unless you want to look like a gaunt old man before your time it’s best to keep as many teeth as you can, they’re the foundation for your face!!
What on earth did people do, or not do, in the past? Frightening the cost of dentistry these days. I remember Richie Benaud saying how he was taken to the dentist at about 16 years of age and had the lot taken out. Better in the long run, he was told. We may be heading that way, ie. backwards. Crown, without root canal treatment, 900e in Italy. I figure it's worth it to be able to eat in comfort; eating is one of my hobbies.
Sadly, dental hygiene is so important but this is not realised until the years roll on and the cost goes high.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Estimate is reasonable. If you can afford the treatment it'll likely be £ well spent. If you decide to go ahead it's worth considering preventative measures to avoid potential future root canal infections, e.g., a good quality mains powered water jet flosser.
BW, dunk
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Would a water flosser replace the need for using tepee brushes? I hate using the things but get so much stuck between my teeth when eating.
I think I'm in a similar situation although a couple of years behind? I had root canal and a crown on a molar a little over a year ago. It didn't go well and what should have been three appointments turned out to be five but by the end the dentist thought it was fine. At my last check up, about 8 months after the crown was fitted I described it as never having properly settled down. It's not painful as such but it's sensitive and feels loose even if it's not. She took another x-ray and confirmed it still had some issues and has told me that it's unlikely to 'go right all by itself' and that realistically my choices are extraction or referral to an expensive private specialist.I had a root canal done a couple of years ago and my tooth was always sensitive to cold temps after it. I've put up with it for years but it became painful enough to warrant another visit not so long ago. After an x-ray by another dentist it appears the filling stuff didn't go down one of the holes and she said I need to go to an expert with a special camera.
When I said I thought she was the expert she said consider me a GP and them a consultant. Funny how there doesn't seem to be any responsibility taken at dentists. I wouldn't expect my GP to open me up and start doing an operation then if they mess up just shrug their shoulders if it goes wrong. Oh and pay for the attempt as well.
She did offer to take it out but seemed flummoxed when I asked what I was meant to chew my food with.
For now I've decided to sit it out. I do accept it's unlikely to fix itself at this point but right now it's a minor (if constant) annoyance which is preferable to either extraction or more invasive work. And if it's not going to fix itself, I assume that at some point in the future it's going to become more of a problem - I just hope it gives me enough warning and doesn't spoil a holiday or similar.
And to the OP - £900 was similar to what I was told to expect to have it done privately. I can't remember the exact figure but it certainly wasn't significantly less than that.
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Personally, I much prefer a water flosser to TePe brushes. The brushes can irritate gums and make them bleed. And there is no need to add antiseptic mouthwash (tablets or liquid) to the water flosser's reservoir unless you have a stubborn gum infection; a plain water jet is quite sufficient. There are millions of beneficial microbes in our mouths which are destroyed by mouthwashes. Too much mouthwash can do more harm than good – especially the chlorhexidine types (Corsodyl) which many people overuse.
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Last edited by sundial; 19th May 2023 at 12:24.
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In my experience an endodontist's opinion / remedy (e.g., professional root canal procedures) will likely be better long term. One of my previous NHS dentists left a broken root canal drill in my tooth – not discovered until several years later by a more qualified dental surgeon with more experience of endodontic (root canal) procedures. Removing the broken drill was a major procedure; my dental surgeon had to acquire special tools to complete the surgery.
Bear in mind that persistent dental discomfort can be indicative of long term deep rooted infections which recent research suggests can be a contributory factor to Alzheimers / dementia – because the infection invades the bloodstream and thence the brain.
https://www.dental-nursing.co.uk/new...l%20procedures.
Go easy on the Corsodyl! My dental surgeon recommends not using Corsodyl for more than a week if you have a gum infection.
We need the natural and beneficial oral microbes – they're part of our microbiome – best not to destroy them with mouthwashes which risk encouraging an imbalance of oral microbes with too many 'nasty' types wiping out the resultant increasingly fewer 'good guy' beneficial mouth bugs.
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Just had my face frozen ready for stage 1 RCT, I’ve no idea how many stages there are, I just want it done. I get mates rates as SWMBO is one of the Practice’s Hygienists. Happy days
I had a problem lower tooth and the dentist said like you no guarantees it would cure it. I bit the bullet so to speak, I had extraction and implant. No more problems.
Well I think I’ll go ahead, nice to know that a lot of people have similar experiences.
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I no dental expert but my recent quote for a ceramic crown was £800 and £250 for a wisdom tooth out.
Just my 2 cents worth. I signed up to denplan after struggling with a cracked tooth and an infected wisdom tooth during the 1st lockdown.
Had both extracted for about £120 (plus the ongoing £15 monthly payments).
Root canal was mentioned but seeing as I was on the verge of ripping them out with a pair of pliers I just asked for them to be taken out.
The £3k I was quoted for an implant was met with a smile and a polite "no thanks"
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I wasn't aware of the dementia link but will bear that in mind. I do have a suspicion that I have a long term deep-rooting 'grumbling' infection responsible for me having had more throat, chest and ear (that side) infections than I would normally expect (or want). It's something I'll discuss with my dentist at next check up. If she feels it could be the cause and it likely to continue it may shove me nearer to having further work done.
I had a wisdom tooth out during lockdown (previously gold capped after a motorcycle accident) and the cap had been hiding an infected and cracked tooth. I had lots of problems on that side of my face and neck over a long period and due to Covid worries, I decided to opt for a straight extraction. It took several weeks to settle down but I feel so much better now, with less aches and pains throughout my whole body (like a new man!).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...2P6WG61R&psc=1
seems to be the best option out there?
The Waterpik is very good as is the Kitty Hydrofloss. The Waterpik £99 price is very much more than I paid for mine.
The weakness of both the Kitty Hydrofloss and the Waterpik is their relatively short flexible tubes and the fact that in hard water localities the tubes / hoses
become brittle and eventually fracture – necessitating repair by the service agencies. However, when they are working they do a good job.
I preferred the Kitty Hydrofloss but currently have the Waterpik. Shop around to find the best prices. The water jets remove plaque and compacted food debris far better than brushing / flossing
Plaque is the main cause of gum disease / gum recession and tooth decay. The mains powered water jets require a bathroom shaver socket. The battery powered jets are OK (ish) but their water reservoirs
have much less capacity than the mains powered models. Dental water jets are key tools for preventing dental implant failure because of their effectiveness in removing / preventing dental plaque build-up
and thus preventing gum recession.
I no longer use antiseptic mouthwash in my water jet because too much antiseptic kills the beneficial oral microbes which we all have in our mouths. Water is sufficient but occasionally I also add some salt to the water.
Mouthwash is powerful stuff and there is no reason to destroy the oral microbe 'good guys' which inhabit our mouths and have been part of the human oral microbiome for many thousands of years.
I do not agree with dental hygienists' recommendations ref use of mouthwashes every day – because of the danger of destroying / compromising the beneficial oral microbes which we need to maintain a healthy oral microbiome.
I would not be surprised if some 'old school' dental hygienists are unfamiliar with the term 'oral microbiome'. Dental hygienists and dental surgeons might be brainwashed by their visiting reps trying to make them stock e.g., Listerine.
I've never forgotten one hygienist in a dental practice who charged me £80 for doing nothing and ended the 'consultation saying," ... and I recommend using Listerine daily ..." She likely knew very little about the dangers of overusing too powerful mouthwashes.
Hygienists (and dental surgeons) need to 'get up to date' with their oral hygiene knowledge and realise just how beneficial our natural oral microbes are to our dental health : https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/pr...s-gum-disease#
It's all about 'balance' ... which includes not consuming too much sugar.
And 'Vapers' might consider investigating the effects of vaping on their oral / dental health; it's all documented online and just a Google search away. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/0...lth-is-at-risk
There are conflicting opinions ref oral health dangers from vaping; some studies are likely funded by vape manufacturers who fail to relate the whole truth. Actual vapers will likely believe "ever ever" what they want to believe.
Surprisingly, the Kitty Hydrofloss is the exact same design as the device used by my local medical practice for ear wax removal following use of ear wax softener.
However, I would not want to try this at home myself because on the 'high' setting the jet is likely too powerful and could damage the ear drum.
I use ear wax softener for a couple of days followed by use of a small syringe (used with warn water) for ear wax removal. If the pharmacist asks why I need to buy a pack of syringes I mention, "Photographic processing use"
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I used a waterpik for a couple of years until the motor crapped out. Also the hose on it split once, but you can buy replacements from waterpik and they're a doddle to change. However, I don't think the waterpik was any more effective than dental harps and tepe brushes which I've gone back to using since the machine broke. My dentist always seems to want to descale my teeth on my 6 monthly checkups so I thought switching to the waterpik would stop him having to do so, but it didn't make any difference. It's not like a only give my teeth a cursory brush once a day, they get the full treatment morning and night, electric toothbrush, dental harps and tepe interdental brushes. I've often pondered whether descaling is just a ruse to bring the practice more revenue in rather than a treatment I actually need, as I can never see any plaque or residue on my teeth before I visit!
I'm a dentist and we have an Endodontics specialist who I work with.
£900 for a canine specialist root canal isn't unreasonable.
few things to check - who is the dentist? Are they actually a specialist? (They will be on the specialist register if they are) (DM if you want me to check)
What systems are they using? (The actual good files and heated obturation systems? Or single file systems and cold lateral condensation?!) (again, if you want me to check, I can tell you if they're using good stuff)
These are the prices of our specialist endodontist. Happy to help you out if you're close by (My practice is in East Yorkshire)
Consultation (from referring dentist) £90
Single Rooted from £710
Premolar from £800
Molar / Multi Rooted from £900
Re Root Treatment (Molar) from £1070
Complex Cases POA
Feel free to DM the dentist's diagnosis/X-rays.
Have helped a few members check out treatment plans/diagnosis in the past, happy to do it again.
Best wishes
Chia
Also, I saw you thought of an implant and many have suggested extraction + Implant.
An implant isn't a replacement for a tooth - it's a replacement for a gap.
Biologically a tooth and implant are totally different. A tooth has blood supply and protection from the periodontal ligament and thick hemidesmosomal attachment (Basically this creates a seal around the whole tooth). The implant has no ligament, or blood supply. It has a weaker version of the tooth's attachment (Around 25% strength of a natural tooth's seal)
Implants can be subject to boneloss, especially if the patient has non-favourable medical or dental history.
If you can get 5-10 years out of a specialist root canal before resorting to implants, that buys you extra time. Implants don't last forever. In my eyes (and hands) an implant that lasts 15 years is successful, so use that , combined with your age, to figure out the best way forward.
Wow thank you! I’ll DM some details.
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I use a water jet because all my upper jaw 'teeth' , comprising full semi-permanent dental prosthesis, is fitted to dental implants' abutments. TePe brushes and similar do not suit my gums. The prosthesis can, if necessary, be removed by my dental surgeon; it screws into the implants' abutments. The main cause of implant failure is plaque and resultant gum recession. Water jetting removes the plaque.
Dental implants have been very expensive but I opted for same because i did not want to end up looking like my father without his dentures. When teeth are extracted the jawbone can and does shrink – we've all witnessed people with no natural teeth whose faces are 'caved in' when not using / wearing their dentures. Much of that 'face caved in' appearance is due to jawbone shrinkage following teeth extraction. I could probably have avoided the expense of implants if in my youth and 40 ish subsequent years, if, : I had not been a heavy smoker; had not used too much sugar on b'fast cereals and in tea / coffee; had not eaten so many sweets and consumed so much honey. At one time I was buying and eating a jar of honey every week – thinking it's 'healthy' – when in fact it's quite the opposite. Sugar is sugar – of which there are several types. All sugars compromise tooth enamel causing dental decay, gum infections and dental abscesses.
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Thank you for such a comprehensive reply. Wife has said no chance to the hydro floss based on the looks!
We have a water softener in the house, so hoping that minimises the tube issue, but time will tell.
Costco have a waterpik ultra plus (one down the range) with a battery one also in the box for £95 which seems good. The other angle I’m now wondering it whether to go for the one I linked to, or get the whitening version that takes tablets to help whiten teeth which I’d like to get done regardless at some point.
Edit - the Costco one isn’t much of a bargain, saves about £7. Also the whitening one doesn’t have the pocket pik, which I will need. So choice now made!
Having not seen a dentist for a rather long time, I had hygienist appointments every 3 months and came away in pain majorly. I have some pockets that I need to keep clean, and some of the bone has eroded - forget what it is called. Too late in my dental hygiene beyond brushing.
Until I started to floss / te-pe brush I never realised how much food stuck there but wasn’t felt like a large piece caught. Amazing.
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Likely prudent to check out the teeth whiteners' reviews and potential H&S issues . I recall reading they are not as 'whitening' as they suggest. And personally I'd not want to end up with as 'whiter than white' teeth as some TV presenters have :)
No names mentioned but you've likely seen one particular presenter whose teeth are far too white to be natural
Dental hygiene is a developing science, Forty years ago my private Leadenhall Street, City of London dentist insisted I must use badger hair toothbrushes and a hydrogen peroxide mouthwash. Latter is now known to be both teeth and oral microbiome damaging – especially when used daily and in too high concentrations. Badger hair toothbrushes are excellent and last many weeks – but the poor Chinese badgers are hunted and cruelly killed by inhumane means. And as previously stated, I suspect that some dental hygienists are ignorant ref oral microbiome science and the importance of maintaining a good oral microbe balance.
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Haha yup indeed! Rather wealthy friend has his done and looks ridiculously oversized and over white.
A friend of mine (not wealthy) came back from Turkey with the whitest teeth known to man and hates them. She's now drinking all the red wine and coffee she can get her hands on.
He drinks enough espresso to have taken the brightness down to a better level within a few weeks.
Waterpik arrived - wow what a revelation, £75 on Amazon; used it twice post meals today and am a total convert.
Strangely pre-teen, my parents bought into a family electric toothbrush system, which had a water pik but nobody ever used it - clearly they were ahead of their time!
If they're ceramic (i.e. crowns or veneers) the only thing that will do is stain the margins!
Unfortunately most stuff we see from Turkey is too opaque and bright!
Potential effects of some types of oral microbiota on general health https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...que%20%5B24%5D.
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Interestingly it states
“Unlike gut microbiota, these types of bacteria do not change significantly. Diet and the environment have a great impact on gut microbiota [16] but exert minimal effect on the composition of oral bacteria. Healthy people from different countries have similar compositions of oral microbiota.”
It's just a matter of time...
Unless they smoke. Several studies have proved that smoking compromises the diversity and proportions / mix of oral microbiota – which is not surprising.
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