Reply With QuoteMaybe he could sell the phone he bought for his daughter and use the proceeds to refund the op ?
Cheers raffeOriginally Posted by Raffe
Maybe he could sell the phone he bought for his daughter and use the proceeds to refund the op ?
It’s a shame with such a common surname in wales and based in Swansea as it throws up quite a few results.
It's pretty clear that someone stole the bag, unless you're suggesting it just 'fell out' of the box?
I can't see where I suggested the seller was the thief, but regardless, he hasn't delivered the item that was paid for and therefore needs to make amends.
He owns Rolex watches, buys £2000 bags on a whim, buys brand new Apple Watches and iPhones. No excuses, just pay the buyer then deal with the problem that was self-created by not packing and insuring properly.
Harsh lesson learned and move on.
I don't know what we'd do without you. So strong
Unless the seller is a real villain (and there has been no sign over the years) then surely his conscience will tell him it's not right to leave lenlec £800 out of pocket. There was an earlier suggestion that he had some doubt about lenlec's version of events. That must be out of his mind now and he must accept he boobed by using an inadequate service. Only a true villain could happily let this situation slide.
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Apologies- I did read that you were accusing the seller of theft. I deduced that because it is up to the seller to report the theft to the Police while the item was in Parcel Force's custody, and not the buyer. As the buyer has not paid for the service or received the item. Your advice was clearly to the buyer to report it to the police.
Yes the seller foolishly spent the money, may have packaged it poorly, has not refunded as he should and is not communicating well. All I am doing is suggesting a 'human nature' reason why he is not communicating. Not making any excuse for him.
...which would make him a fraudster.
He promised on this very thread to make good and appears to have changed his mind. There is no excuse in the world that makes his behaviour OK. He is reading the Whatsapp messages and doesnt reply, he knows that he has unfinished business here and thinks his troubles will go away if he doesn't log on?
Juice is a villain, no other interpretation possible.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I take the view that the seller is an idiot who seems to live from month to month and he took a chance by not insuring the watch and it rebounded on him. He seems genuine in wanting to pay the debt or he could be putting on a good act of contrition. Either way he has admitted in writing that he is liable to refund the money.
I would give him until the end of the month when he gets paid and if he doesn't pay up then it's the small claims court which will murder his credit ratings.
He seems to want to pay but if another debt comes along he is juggling one over the other.
So wait until pay day and if he fails to deliver, commence proceedings on the 2nd October.
That is what I would do.
Keep up man. It’s a Bag. Not a Watch.
Plus without an address I am not sure how you go small claims route (sadly for the OP).
There must be a database somewhere linking the sellers phone contract to an address. What about previous sellers to him (as buyer) - they must have his address (at that time).
“ Ford... you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.” HHGTTG
I had an issue with a late paying buyer once and someone who previously sold to him passed me his details - I was paid in the end, with a profuse apology.
If anyone can provide Juice's details to lenlec, that would be ideal (maybe wait until end of the month but I know what lenlec has been through so sooner rather than later I suppose)
I know everyone’s finances are different but we’re talking about a £2000 luxury hold-all here, not a £50 backpack. Anyone dropping that on an LV bag I’d expect to have £800 readily available or accessible, surely?
I am pretty sure that neither I or Aramis9 have offered any 'excuses' for the seller - merely offered what 'human nature' we believe might explain his lack of engagement following the notification of the item being stolen.
Unless it was snide but without the bag we’ll never know.
True but he also talks elsewhere of picking up a watch (deepsea or maybe a Tudor) on a whim so it still suggests someone with disposable income?
Or full of sh1t....
LOL
TMS springs to mind.
Blast from the past!
If it gets that far (hopefully not) and the OP needs to commence proceedings without an address, there are people you can pay who can trace that info using a mobile phone number.
What ? Legally ?
Can you offer up a name? There’s a scamming git I’d like to trace.
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The ‘Schofield’ defence……………..
This, 100%
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
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Well I'll be danged !!!
My Tapatalk has an image of Juice’s full name and a photo. But can’t see it anywhere else. Very weird.
It was posted for a while before better judgement prevailed.
Tapatalk will cache a photo until its logic decides a different one should be chosen. Unless other photos are posted, tapatalk will continue to use that image (and it's anyone's guess how they decide whether to pick up a new image for the preview)
Why do you post like you are a giving orders?
Or are you barking up the wrong tree?
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Have to say reading this a couple if things occur which point straight at the seller.
No real insurance , merely a lazy decision on an £800 item or not wanting to be further investigated for fraud by the courier company as he knew full well he was sending the buyer an empty parcel in the first place?
I find it very hard to believe this isn’t exactly what it appears to be . A scam by the seller .
Disregard all the other sidereal duscussions relating to the driver and the mechanics if how someone would have opened the parcel as a mere muddying of the waters ( which if you ask me the seller has been deliberately perpetuating on this this thread).
The conclusion is go with the simplest answer , seller is a scammer who sent an empty box and then threw about lots of lame irrelevent fairy stories about buying iphones for his daughter etc etc to distract and delay.
Textbook scammer behaviour
Get the Police involved , make a report . Pass on the details . That’s all you can do. This guy is a scammer , deal with him as such .
I was scammed on AVF once . I traced down the guy’s details by looking at other sales and buys of his and asking other members for his details , goigled him and got his employer . Called him on his work switchboard and told him in no uncertain terms that my next calls would be to the police and his employer in the next 30minutes unless he paid the money straight into my account . I got the money .
I’m very sorry to hear of this Andy.
It seems to me that:
You paid a lot of money for something
The package had been sliced open, so it looks like theft
The seller has gone quiet, and has your money
You have the sellers name and mobile, but not an address
At this stage, I would make contact with the police to see what your options are. May I suggest as an opener, a Twitter DM to your local constabulary?
When my elderly mum had her credit cards misused by a carer, my initial contact with the police was 101, but I was redirected to a Twitter DM. The response was very fast, following which a crime reporting form was sent to me. There then unfolded a brilliant investigation, dawn raids and a conviction.
I think I would make contact this way, and let the seller know you have done so.
I do hope you get it sorted
BW
Dave
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For me, another aspect that is flagging up the seller as a potential wrong 'un is the fact that if you post something signed for, rmsd, etc the post office staff always check that you have added a return address to the packaging before accepting the parcel. Sending it unsigned for avoided this requirement, hmmm....
You’re getting you’re knickers in a twist, this is his profile picture which can already be found on a sales post he did in March.
It’s in the public domain already
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I’d like Jon to contact me then and have a chat
He’s blanked me for nearly 10 days now
Last edited by lenlec; 27th September 2022 at 14:32.
He hasn't been on here since September 19th, so he's avoiding everyone.
He can still see this thread without logging on. I’m guessing he is following every word, but knows that logging on will not help him unless he does something decent.
This thread should be in the BP.
Juice - if you are reading this, just give Lenlec his money back please.
I’m sure this is true.
At this stage I really would take some action, even if that was an initial conversation with the police and a crime report.
D
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It was a picture in public domain from http://jonathan-jones.imgbb.com used for posting pictures of a watch he was selling. Nothing sinister here
“ Ford... you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.” HHGTTG
What 'crime' has been committed? More like a civil matter between the two parties involved.
Theft
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The photo of the watch has geo data in it - comes back to this location:
(removed to protect privacy)
Last edited by Ares; 27th September 2022 at 22:05.
Does googling the mobile number throw up any results?
Or maybe facebook?
Guys
You have been brilliant
Helping me with advice and support
You don’t have to. But you do.
It’s tz at its best.
If I ever get my £800 back I PROMISE to put £200 into
The fundraiser in tz. .
Thanks again all
Andy
Certainly not the most affluent of areas when looking on google maps!
Interesting link.
Bowers & Wilkins speakers, big amp (which?) in the cabinet, pretty recent Volvo car, not exactly the backdrop of somebody struggling to find a way to pay 800 quid that they owe? Consistent with his consumption background, btw.....
Last edited by Raffe; 27th September 2022 at 17:08.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
That information brings up an old wales online story through image search when referencing the name so I’d say it’s correct.
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